Net Impact Of Delegate Push: Helpful Or Harmful?

[crazyfacedjenkins]

People like Sally are the type of people who get whisked away to camps because they don't stand up and protect themselves. All along saying things such as "if I obey the law, everything will be ok."

 

[pepperpete1]

The questions you ask.........

Fishing for what? I'm confused.

I post my opinions and my very strong concerns about the damage being done.

The only question I have asked is one whose response gives a clear indication of a person's ethical system or lack thereof.

Is asking someone whether they support RP or not "fishing"?

are based on an assumption that damage is being done, or will be done, if the delegates bound for McCain. You see that is in the future and has not happened yet. So, yeah, you are throwing your line around waiting for someone to bite.

Look it is hard enough to be as idealistic as we RP supporters are in the face of the corruption and illegal tactics of the party loyalists. We are not resorting to their manuevers, but instead need to combat them just to be allowed our right to vote and have that vote mean something.

Have you asked yourself, why is it so important to them, to resort to the tactics they are using, to keep out the paltry numbers of Ron Paul supporters?
(You have not answered my other questions, but please answer this one.)

If they did not feel that Dr. Ron Paul is a threat to their positions of power then why not allow the low numbers of Ron Paul delegates in to the national convention? What? Do they think we really will get him nominated?

And you are worried because you think he will be nominated and be embarassed by the "stealthful, devious, and unethical methods" we employed to get him that nomination?

This is so small a concern that, yup, I think you are a troll, mole, or anything but a Ron Paul supporter and I have to assume that the answer to all of my previous questions is ...........NO.

 

[RonPaulGuyEastWA]

Sally, answer PepperPete's questions.

 

[Sally08]

PepperPete1 reply #2

4. Have you been out in the public trying to ethically educate them as to what the situation is with their current government?

5. Are you personally reminding people that Dr. Ron Paul is still a candidate?

4. I have been an online activist for almost 10 years "trying to ethically educate them" as to what the CFR, the Bilderbergers, the US Educational System (which is why I have talked with Charlotte Iserbyt on the *phone*- FYI, her husband died today), and others were doing to our country.

For the decade of activist efforts, in just the education arena alone, they obviously haven't made a dent. Was their sacrifice of family time and interaction worth it? Looking back, would their choices have been *different*?

5. As I have already posted, I no longer MENTION RP'S NAME AT ALL, anymore.

Which is the exact point of this thread about the DAMAGE that has been done!

I had an article posted about RP that I REMOVED due to the harm it did to my online credibility.

NOTE: People who I asked for proofreading who I have "known" for years and whose opinions I trust implicitly were extremely favorable about the article and who I should send it to, UNTIL I related it to RP. Their opinions have been validated, yet again.

When RP requested a Washington March, I immediately wrote my well-known reporter contacts developed over the years.

I was embarrassed, yet again, when HQ said *nothing* for, what, 2 weeks? And then, RP backed out on video? Shouldn't that analysis/legal research have been done before the video?

And let's talk about the "winding down" video - given the fact that was a prepared speech, not impromptu, how come it almost destroyed both DP and RPF?

Those videos were incredibly destructive to both supporter morale and to RP's Presidential campaign.

How come people on both RPF and DP thought one of the HQ e-mails "From Ron Paul" (with "Whoa" in it) was a *hoax*?

Great HQ to grass roots communication, huh?

And what about the "nazi newsletters" response being the home page of RP2008? Bet no new visitors ever returned-

Then add my list of "incidents" already listed in this thread, the several state primaries and convention fiascos (REGARDLESS OF WHOSE FAULT!), the viciousness of public posts to many, many posters (no wonder so many lurk!), the absolute refusal to *debate* anything vs. PERSONALLY ATTACK, and why in the world would I EVER associate myself with "RP supporters"?

More importantly, why would anyone interested in a political career do so?

What kind of *hate* message is being spread in RP's name?

All of you might try setting up daily alerts for "Ron Paul" with both Google and Yahoo. Then, note the ratio of negative to "positive" RP links.

The negative articles are so bad that even neutral articles are celebrated as "positive"!

So, even older people with computer literacy who do not "hang out" on forums get an incredible amount of negative RP information with *links* to the sources. That means that the MSM is *not* the only other source of RP information.

In fact, many of those *negative* articles are also posted on RPF and/or DP. How dumb is that? I can no longer tell who are supporters and who are "moles"!

This campaign has truly been mind-boggling to behold from a simple business perspective-

I fail to see how many vicious/obscene threads/posts on RPF/DP "spread the message" to new people to convince them to support RP as opposed to validating the MSM statements about the RP "whackos" they have heard repeatedly.

 

[Sally08]

Win the battle, but lose the war

There is no rules saying that the leading candidate in the primaries must win the National Convention Nomination and we knew this for more than a year and the GOP is whining about it becuase they didn't expect RP supporters to think this far ahead because this was orignally supposed to be there advantage.

Have you ever heard the phrase, "Win the battle, but lose the war"?

Think of this thread and my concerns as each state convention convenes.

Then, do the same after the RNC, and, yet again, after the Electoral College decides who are President will be. It's already obvious that our votes in the general "election" will be meaningless-

The momentum is definitely picking up speed, but it is *not* in the direction of liberty!

 

[Sally08]

Huh?

People like Sally are the type of people who get whisked away to camps because they don't stand up and protect themselves. All along saying things such as "if I obey the law, everything will be ok."

Certainly, those who do *not* obey the law are *definitely* taken away or fatally tasered! (Check the news today about court rulings about medical examiners taking out taser as cause of death - )

I *am* standing up for what I believe in the hopes of warning people of the upcoming TRAIN WRECK.

I guess you think I should just "move along", huh?

And that is what RP stands for, right?

I continue to shake my head with amazement with who I thought were RP supporters-

 

[LittleLightShining]

Sally, you forgot these...

1. Are you a national delegate for your state?

2. Have you even run as a delegate?

3. How about a precinct captain for the campaign?

Which makes me think the answer is no to all 3. And you're obviously embarrassed by Ron Paul and his complete message which is why you are picking off the parts that suit you. That's fine. You don't have to agree with all of it. But I don't think your presumption to care about Ron Paul's image holds any water. Your fear and anxiety about your own image being tainted by true patriots is lost here because II don't think anyone gives a fig about what your neo-con friends think of you or us.

 

[Drsteveparent]

Sally08 is also known as Laurie on dailypaul and is know as MasonicMayhem on youtube.

Pepperpete, the answer to all your questions is NO and i know this already from other posts she makes on various posts.

She isn't the only one that can research ip addresses.

I rest my case.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Certainly, those who do *not* obey the law are *definitely* taken away or fatally tasered! (Check the news today about court rulings about medical examiners taking out taser as cause of death - )

I *am* standing up for what I believe in the hopes of warning people of the upcoming TRAIN WRECK.

I guess you think I should just "move along", huh?

And that is what RP stands for, right?

I continue to shake my head with amazement with who I thought were RP supporters-

I think that you are trying to tell the delegates to just "move along." Look, if a delegate is unbound, they should vote for whoever the fuck they want to! They got elected to do so, it's their fucking job. If they are bound, they should still vote for whoever they want to, what's the point of being a delegate? If the delegates just vote for whoever won, why wouldn't the popular votes just be tallied up in the first place without the delegates? It defeats the whole point of having delegates, it's a stupid rule that's meant to be broken. Get over it!

 

[Sally08]

PepperPete1 reply #3

are based on an assumption that damage is being done, or will be done, if the delegates bound for McCain. You see that is in the future and has not happened yet. So, yeah, you are throwing your line around waiting for someone to bite.

No, I'm asking a question that impacts whether I should trust them or not. Based on your #2 reply to abstain, it doesn't matter whether or not it's "illegal". What matters is that whether those who are bound for the first round misrepresented themselves to their states.

NOTE: Imagine that blacklist being published for family, friends, and potential employers, including any future political career intentions-

If they are lying to the GOP at the state level or the national level, why not simply lie to me, as well? How difficult is that?

Hmm, of course, they might have a problem if someone who knows them publicly *posts* that they lied (or it hurts their image with the *others* intending to lie, then they wouldn't know who to trust, either).

Look it is hard enough to be as idealistic as we RP supporters are in the face of the corruption and illegal tactics of the party loyalists.

Idealistic? I am an absolute cynic, based on history. Bound to repeat the same mistakes? Three strikes and we're out?

We are not resorting to their manuevers, but instead need to combat them just to be allowed our right to vote and have that vote mean something.

And I'm supposed to listen to you, when the *evidence* posted by others and actions witnessed by others totally invalidate your statement?

Aren't we supposed to think for ourselves?

Have you asked yourself, why is it so important to them, to resort to the tactics they are using, to keep out the paltry numbers of Ron Paul supporters?

Because anyone in power wishes to stay there? Isn't that the definition of politics?

Would *you* allow a bunch of inexperienced people to take the jobs of experienced people? If so, you wouldn't last long yourself-

Would the corporate world consider replacing middle-level managers with entry-level personnel?

Because the RP supporters and delegates have disrupted many levels of meetings, already?

(You have not answered my other questions, but please answer this one.)

Actually, this is my third lengthy reply to your questions.

If they did not feel that Dr. Ron Paul is a threat to their positions of power then why not allow the low numbers of Ron Paul delegates in to the national convention? What? Do they think we really will get him nominated?

Reasons already mentioned above.

As you just saw in Nevada, there is no way they will allow RP to be nominated. And as people have posted, it's a "private party" and there is no recourse to their decisions.

And you are worried because you think he will be nominated and be embarassed by the "stealthful, devious, and unethical methods" we employed to get him that nomination?

Thank you. You summed up one major concern very well.

Yes, RP will be embarrassed, but what will all of you do, if RP TURNS THE NOMINATION DOWN under those circumstances, due to his well-known ethical system?

This is so small a concern that, yup, I think you are a troll, mole, or anything but a Ron Paul supporter and I have to assume that the answer to all of my previous questions is ...........NO.

And given the fact that Bryan and several moderators/long-term RPF members/posters have already seen my real name and my real credentials/contacts, you simply come across as dumb.

If I were a RP supporter before, do you think your posts and those of others might have a negative impact on that support? Blowback, anyone?

Great job, keep up the good work "spreading the message". I just wish I could figure out which message!

Certainly, freedom to have my own opinions based on evidence I have to support those opinions is not acceptable! I'm just supposed to be a sheeple for a different group!

Ain't gonna happen.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Sally08 is also known as Laurie on dailypaul and is know as MasonicMayhem on youtube.

Pepperpete, the answer to all your questions is NO and i know this already from other posts she makes on various posts.

She isn't the only one that can research ip addresses.

I rest my case.

hahahahaha. Good catch. A lot of times I think these trolls are just 13 year old kids fucking with us.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

By the way, all this theory has no real life application. This OP should be bowing down to these delegates who actually have the balls to go out risk a lot to fight this corruption.

 

[Sally08]

Guess your ethical system is now known

I think that you are trying to tell the delegates to just "move along." Look, if a delegate is unbound, they should vote for whoever the fuck they want to! They got elected to do so, it's their fucking job. If they are bound, they should still vote for whoever they want to, what's the point of being a delegate? If the delegates just vote for whoever won, why wouldn't the popular votes just be tallied up in the first place without the delegates? It defeats the whole point of having delegates, it's a stupid rule that's meant to be broken. Get over it!

And another public post that clearly proves my concerns!

WHO MADE YOU "GOD"?

I am so proud to be in the "same tent". NOT!

QUESTION: Just out of curiousity, how would you react if Romney simply bribed delegates and won the nomination?

 

[Sally08]

And I thought the unethical posters are the 13-year-olds!

hahahahaha. Good catch. A lot of times I think these trolls are just 13 year old kids fucking with us.

Given the fact that Ron and Carol Paul have my credentials, as well as a reference who they know, you look like the 13-year-old particularly with the language.

Another impressive "RP supporter".

 

[torchbearer]

This folks is dementia.
In fact, I overtly set the experiment, and even then, the condition could not be broken.
This isn't by choice, its a problem. Nothing short of medication will stop this loop.

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

And another public post that clearly proves my concerns!

WHO MADE YOU "GOD"?

I am so proud to be in the "same tent". NOT!

QUESTION: Just out of curiousity, how would you react if Romney simply bribed delegates and won the nomination?

I've noticed that these 13 year old kids are great at this troll stuff.

 

[rodo1776]

Romney did bribe and he lost. McCain bribed and he won. We fight however we can to get some power.

And if we have to be uncommitted in order to get elected a delegate that is no different than the games the existing GOP plays. And the democrats for that matter. If you had ever been to a caucus or convention you would know that.

You obviously have no active experience in politics sally or whatever your name is

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

This folks is dementia.
In fact, I overtly set the experiment, and even then, the condition could not be broken.
This isn't by choice, its a problem. Nothing short of medication will stop this loop.

hahahhaha so true!

 

[crazyfacedjenkins]

It wouldn't be the first time that some 13 year old kid came in here and fucked with everyone's heads.

 

[Sally08]

Romney has not lost, the same as RP

Romney did bribe and he lost.

If national delegates who were elected as "bound" by their state rules vote for whoever they feel like, Romney could win the same way as you hope RP can.

So could Lou Dobbs or Hitler.

Is this any way to elect our President?