Neocon Triumph? Trump Calls For 'Safe Zones' in Syria

[nikcers]

What am I saying is that if Rand wants to reward the Kurds for being good stooges to the US, he should reward them by giving them something he has an right of giving them. Land in Syria is not one of them. Personally, I prefer Rand pay attention to his constituents and not some ethnic group in Syria but if he wishes to be stupid about it and insert himself in an issues that is non of his business then he better promise them land in the US not one in Iraq and Syria.

Also Trump has a Middle East policy during the campaign and that was that of non interference. You may not like it but that is a real policy that I even a Trump hater agrees with.

Trumps real middle east policy is not the one he campaigned on. Rand Paul's foreign policy is closer to the stuff Ron Paul says, and Trumps foreign policy is closer to the stuff John Bolton says. I Hope you come back and say that you are wrong after we try regime change in Iran.

 

[juleswin]

Trumps real middle east policy is not the one he campaigned on. Rand Paul's foreign policy is closer to the stuff Ron Paul says, and Trumps foreign policy is closer to the stuff John Bolton says. I Hope you come back and say that you are wrong after we try regime change in Iran.

For now, its all talk and no action so I will go by his campaign promises until his actions tell me different. And yes, his policy is very non interventionist like Ron up till the point he wants to intervene in two Middle East countries to forcibly break up the country. Its sorta like a really tasty hot cocoa on a cold winter night with just a little bit of rat poison to the side of it.

Btw, I don't expect Trump to follow through with the stuff he said on the campaign, Establishment pols never follow up with the positive stuff they say on the campaign just the horrible policies.

 

[nikcers]

For now, its all talk and no action so I will go by his campaign promises until his actions tell me different. And yes, his policy is very non interventionist like Ron up till the point he wants to intervene in two Middle East countries to forcibly break up the country. Its sorta like a really tasty hot cocoa on a cold winter night with just a little bit of rat poison to the side of it.

Btw, I don't expect Trump to follow through with the stuff he said on the campaign, Establishment pols never follow up with the positive stuff they say on the campaign just the horrible policies.

I get it Rand Paul is his own man, and he has said some things, but I think you are misrepresenting him and his views if you think he was serious when he proposed that we go to war, or when he proposed a bigger military budget that paid for itself with offsets as an alternative next to Rubio or arming the Kurds instead of arming ISIS.. that it somehow makes him somehow different than Ron Paul. If you are insinuating that the difference between Ron Paul and Rand Paul is rat Poison then fuck you.

 

[juleswin]

I get it Rand Paul is his own man, and he has said some things, but I think you are misrepresenting him and his views if you think he was serious when he proposed that we go to war, or when he proposed a bigger military budget that paid for itself with offsets as an alternative next to Rubio or arming the Kurds instead of arming ISIS.. that it somehow makes him somehow different than Ron Paul. If you are insinuating that the difference between Ron Paul and Rand Paul is rat Poison then $#@! you.

What I am trying to say is that Rand's support for a policy of nation destruction by way of arming groups of people to take territory from their host nation is rat poison. You may think that there is no threat of war involved but what do you think would happen if say the Iraqi government decides to take back territory the Iraqi Kurds stole from the country? there would be a war. I bring up the Iraqi Kurd situation because that is one example Rand has brought up as a model but with Rand's new plan, it would go even further into creating a new state all together.

This new country like the Iraqi Kurdish territory would be a US protected territory when it is created with US bases and military advisers inside it just like we have in Iraqi Kurdish region and even Kosovo. The Syrians and Iraqis now trying to evict these usurpers would draw Americans in and would lead to war. His plan is misguided, pro war and is immoral. I came into this movement as an anti war person and I will not support a pro war, interventionist policy just because Rand cosigns it. If you have a problem with my stance then there is something wrong with u.

 

[nikcers]

What I am trying to say is that Rand's support for a policy of nation destruction by way of arming groups of people to take territory from their host nation is rat poison.

If you have a problem with my stance then there is something wrong with u.

What ?? I just said that Rand Paul didn't support that policy and that he supported arming the Kurds as an alternative to shift the debate just like when he said he wanted to declare war on ISIS. Yeah I have a problem with you, you misrepresent Rand Paul's policy and Trumps policies. You muddy the fucking water. You are as bad as John Bolton fucking running ads saying Rand Paul sides with Obama. Just because Rand Paul doesn't want war with Iran, but its okay Trump was repeating that same talking point against Ron Paul in 2011, and John Bolton is on the payroll if in name only. The same research company that Ted Cruz used is now full Trump, remember how anti Iran Cruz was??

 

[juleswin]

What ?? I just said that Rand Paul didn't support that policy and that he supported arming the Kurds as an alternative to shift the debate just like when he said he wanted to declare war on ISIS. Yeah I have a problem with you, you misrepresent Rand Paul's policy and Trumps policies. You muddy the $#@!ing water. You are as bad as John Bolton $#@!ing running ads saying Rand Paul sides with Obama. Just because Rand Paul doesn't want war with Iran, but its okay Trump was repeating that same talking point against Ron Paul in 2011, and John Bolton is on the payroll if in name only. The same research company that Ted Cruz used is now full Trump, remember how anti Iran Cruz was??

You really have no idea hows these things end up, he says he just wants to arm the Kurds to fight ISIS but once the arming starts, they would quickly shift to phase two and that is fighting their host country when they attempt to take back their territory. I have heard Rand on TV says that this is an area he agrees with Joe Biden and I have also heard him liken his policy with what we did with the Iraqi Kurds but just this time they would up it from autonomy to independence. Sorry to break it to you, but his crusade to steal Syrian and Iraqi land to gift to their Kurdish stooge is just as rotten as anything Obama can dream up. Notice what is absent is him wanting to take any part of Turkey for his friends. Why leave out Turkey? the imaginary Kurdistan has some over lap with land in Turkey but he wants to arm them to fight ISIS.

Btw, why is Rand not calling out Turkey for arming ISIS? everybody and their dog knows Turkey has supplied and helped ISIS but he wants to help Kurds not by trying to cut off ISIS but instead he want to pour more gasoline to the fire in the hope the fire stops burning.

Fvck his Middle East policy and anyone apologizing for him.

 

[devil21]

They're all CFR puppets. When will people start to accept this and realize that no matter who "wins" the Presidency, the only things that change are how the same end results are marketed (safe zone instead of no fly zone, eg....semantics, nothing more) and what the red meat media distractions are while it happens???

 

[nikcers]

You really have no idea hows these things end up, he says he just wants to arm the Kurds to fight ISIS but once the arming starts, they would quickly shift to phase two and that is fighting their host country when they attempt to take back their territory. I have heard Rand on TV says that this is an area he agrees with Joe Biden and I have also heard him liken his policy with what we did with the Iraqi Kurds but just this time they would up it from autonomy to independence. Sorry to break it to you, but his crusade to steal Syrian and Iraqi land to gift to their Kurdish stooge is just as rotten as anything Obama can dream up. Notice what is absent is him wanting to take any part of Turkey for his friends. Why leave out Turkey? the imaginary Kurdistan has some over lap with land in Turkey but he wants to arm them to fight ISIS.

Btw, why is Rand not calling out Turkey for arming ISIS? everybody and their dog knows Turkey has supplied and helped ISIS but he wants to help Kurds not by trying to cut off ISIS but instead he want to pour more gasoline to the fire in the hope the fire stops burning.

Fvck his Middle East policy and anyone apologizing for him.

Rand Paul will get kicked out of his committees if he discusses shit like that, now you are just trying to troll. Do you want confirmations like Bolton or Giuliani? Rand Paul did call out turkey before it was even popular back in 2013 when he was questioning Trumps friend the secretary of state. He asked her if she knew about weapons going through turkey.. Rand Has to cut through lots of propaganda like the shit you say so he does structure his messages and pick his battles, and he will be fighting for a sane foreign policy and I'll be happy he is in there to do it, to use Chris Mathew's words Thank GOD we have Rand Paul in the senate confirming nominees that affect our foreign policy.

 

[nikcers]

They're all CFR puppets.

 

[devil21]

^^^^^^
You clearly don't know much about what's really going on, nor the history of this "country" if you really think my previous post is bullshit.

Lemme let you in on a lil secret. The President is the CEO of the United States Inc. corporation, which is controlled by the Crown bankers of the City of London. The CFR is the control arm of the Crown bankers. No one is allowed to ascend to the office of President without the blessing of the Crown bankers and without control by the CFR.

Educate yourself:
https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/nowcfr.htm

A savy observer has described the CFR's British front-role: "The interlock problem is conspicuous for another reason, one which has never been addressed by Congress. It seems that certain huge Yankee foundations, namely Rockefeller, Ford, and Carnegie, have been conscious instruments of covert U.S. foreign policy, with directors and officers who can only be described as agents of U.S. intelligence. According to Quigley, the roots for this can be traced to the establishment of an American branch of the British Royal Institute in 1921, which itself had grown out of the Rhodes Trust. The American branch, called the Council on Foreign Relations, was a largely a front for J. P. Morgan and Company." (73)

 

[goldenequity]

both of these are 'insider' type Kurd sources from Friday...
they both need confirmation but can give you a clue as to the complexity/discord.
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►Rudaw
(Iraqi 'Kurd News' service out of Erbil - ALWAYS needs confirmation; ALWAYS suspect an 'agenda' from them... otherwise 'timely' and diligent)
(As w/ Barzani... and Erbil (infested with hegemons/CIA etc) Rudaw is usually pro-Turkey, anti-PKK, pro-West, pro-Israel, anti-Baghdad, pro-Peshmerga, pro-Kurdistan/Kurd Independence etc.
Just like Ukraine... the 'news service' became sophisticated 'overnight' and has CIA 'fingerprints' all over it. )
AKA: Do NOT Believe 'everything' you read on this twitter feed. (It is 'spun' w/ the American 'reader' in mind... to garner 'sympathy' & 'allegiance' for a sovereign Kurdistan... something Israel & the Pentagon BOTH want. )

►Syrian government tells YPG forces to leave Aleppo
Sets deadline to end of this month
https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/811935543424614400


Rudaw English ‏@RudawEnglish Dec 24
►Erdogan: I informed US Russia and Iran that we will build a safe zone inside Syria
https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/812635643545341953

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SRO -- Anti-Assad/Pro-Kurd
►As tension rising between SDF forces and regime militias & shia jihadis in Aleppo, YPG and allies erecting more earth walls
https://twitter.com/Syria_Rebel_Obs/status/811984437902770176

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►Pressure mounting on Syrian Kurds after Aleppo, HDP spokesman says

ERBIL, Kurdistan Region-- The Syrian government has told the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG)
to retreat from areas east of the city of Aleppo
in what Turkey's Kurds see as part of a deal between Damascus and Ankara.

Spokesperson of Turkey's pro-Kurdish People's Democratic Party (HDP) Ayaan Bilgen told Rudaw
the move to expel Kurdish forces from east of Aleppo
was expected after Syrian and Turkish representatives
had "shown interest" in meeting and mending relations
between the two countries.

(we've all stared at enough Aleppo battle maps to KNOW the 'yellow/gold' pocket of Kurd controlled Aleppo throughout most of the siege.
It's an ethnic pocket of Kurd neighborhoods. Assad is requesting the Kurd MILITARY to leave and allow Syrian civilian authority and local control to re-establish and integrate. I hope it goes better than the tensions/violence against Syrian authority that erupted in Kurdish city of Hasakah a few months ago. )

 

[AngryCanadian]

Rudaw should not be trusted to much with news.

 

[goldenequity]

Rudaw should not be trusted to much with news.

Yes. Very well put.

another point is:
every Kurd is a 'political junkie'.. srsly... they are raised on the stuff.. it's in their blood.
They 'feed' on a high 'volume' of 'events' and they're in the geopolitical 'hotspot' of the world..
so it tends to be always 'breaking' and a little gossipy.
They are very 'aware' and ALL have an opinion.
Lots of 'campfire chats'.
It's what makes them good fighters.

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and then...
there's (always) 'this'...

What the jihad and Syrian revolution REALLY looks like:

 

[goldenequity]

TURKEY




Dec. 26, Pro-Kurdish HDP party deputy head, Aysel Tugluk, arrested in Ankara

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SYRIA



►#SYRIA #IslamicState Claims 6 Men Suicide Squad Attacks Killing 35 #Kurdish Forces SW Of Shadadi City, #Hasakah. #TerrorMonitor

►#SYRIA #IslamicState Targeting #SDF With GRAD Rockets Near Shadadi City. #TerrorMonitor

NEW! IMPROVED! ISIS! (now with hegemon GRAD rocket power!)

(Shadadi City is along the Iraqi/Syrian border)


AL BAB




Russian jets carry out airstrikes to aid Turkish Army in Aleppo’s Al-Bab


The Russian Air Force carried out its first airstrikes over the key city of Al-Bab on Sunday,
marking the first time during this war that their aircraft have directly aided the Turkish Army.

BEIRUT, LEBANON (8:00 A.M.) - The Russian Air Force carried out its first airstrikes over the key city of Al-Bab on Sunday,
marking the first time during this war that their aircraft have directly aided the Turkish Army.

According to a military source at the Kuweires Airport, a group of Russian Su-24 and Su-34 fighters jets
carried out airstrikes over Al-Bab in east Aleppo,
resulting in the destruction of several mechanisms that belonged to the so-called "Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham" (ISIS).

Despite Russian air assistance on Sunday, the Turkish Army was unable to maintain control over the Al-Farouq Hospital and Jabal Al-Aqil
after the Islamic State terrorists scored a direct hit with their VBIED (vehicle borne improvised explosive device).

The Russian and Turkish governments are currently on good terms for the first time in nearly a year,
putting an end to the differences they had over the downing of the Su-24 fighter jet in northern Latakia last year.

(IMO.. the TIMING of this Airstrike against ISIS w/ Turkey says ONE THING LOUDLY:



"Dear Hegemons,
Your provocation/assassination of our Ambassador
in order to destroy a Russian/Turkey alliance...
DIDN'T WORK.
Have a nice day.
Vlad." )




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ISIS 'NEWS' (remembering the hegemons who created us.)


Dagestan
Yesterday there were two attacks against police in #Dagestan which resulted in 4 dead. ISIS just claimed responsibility for the attacks.
https://twitter.com/marta_ter/status/813305277055373317


LIH claimed responsibility for the attack on police in Dagestan




Indonesia

Isis-linked militants in Indonesia planned machete attack on New Year's Eve, say police

Two among four suspected militants were shot dead while two are in police custody.
... "The four of them were planning to attack a police post in Purwakarta [a district about 100km east of the capital, Jakarta].
They planned to attack on New Year's Eve," ...

Aleppo

CHILDREN TORTURED
Mass graves of tortured civilians found in Aleppo – Russian MoD

Mass burials of dozens of tortured Syrians are discovered in east #Aleppo
bodies shot in the head ,decapitated, burned areas, gouged eyes.

Al Bab

#Daesh executed and crucified Mostafa Hazory near of #Albab E #Aleppo for helping civilians to escape from Daesh's areas. #A24
https://twitter.com/24Aleppo/status/812767039874015234

Kirkuk, Iraq

Kirkuk, Iraq; woman stoned, charged with adultry --

... “Hundreds of people, including children, gathered at al-Riyad’s central square to witness the execution of the woman,” eyewitnesses told ARA News.
ISIS jihadists also forced a number of civilians to participate in stoning the victim.

Mora, Camaroon

Mora, Camaroon --

Suicide bomber in Cameroon kills two in attack on Christmas market

 

[H. E. Panqui]

nickers asserts: 'I think the argument Rand Paul makes is that foreign people can't win a religious war- so when he is asked what the solution is to this, he says that it would be through diplomacy with people who don't subscribe to the religion of terror. Right now we are arming terror to cancel war with Russia, and the outcome is what we are seeing, a huge terror organization. Rand says let's not arm terror to cancel war with Russia, but lets also help the people who we armed the enemies of, because they have fought side by side with us against the enemies we created.'



...ugh...terror terror terror...

...the REALITY is that rand, sadly, is an important legislative leader of the biggest terrorist organization the planet has ever seen...hint: dictionary definitions...not radio-republicrat definitions...

 

[nikcers]

nickers asserts: 'I think the argument Rand Paul makes is that foreign people can't win a religious war- so when he is asked what the solution is to this, he says that it would be through diplomacy with people who don't subscribe to the religion of terror. Right now we are arming terror to cancel war with Russia, and the outcome is what we are seeing, a huge terror organization. Rand says let's not arm terror to cancel war with Russia, but lets also help the people who we armed the enemies of, because they have fought side by side with us against the enemies we created.'



...ugh...terror terror terror...

...the REALITY is that rand, sadly, is an important legislative leader of the biggest terrorist organization the planet has ever seen...hint: dictionary definitions...not radio-republicrat definitions...

He was arguing that when asked how to defeat ISIS, he said that to turn the debate against arming other groups. Just like when he argued that congress should declare war on ISIS. He was trying to get elected president in an atmosphere where any form of non intervention was getting him labeled as an isolationist by the MSM. If you don't remember the MSM propaganda against Rand then you weren't paying attention.

His real foreign policy would of been way more non intervention then Trump. That's the point that I was making. His foreign policy is Ron Pauls foreign policy. Rand Paul always thought Ron Paul should run on a platform that would be more likely to get elected. He thought it was the platform and not that it was rigged by the establishment.

 

[juleswin]

Rand Paul will get kicked out of his committees if he discusses $#@! like that, now you are just trying to troll. Do you want confirmations like Bolton or Giuliani? Rand Paul did call out turkey before it was even popular back in 2013 when he was questioning Trumps friend the secretary of state. He asked her if she knew about weapons going through turkey.. Rand Has to cut through lots of propaganda like the $#@! you say so he does structure his messages and pick his battles, and he will be fighting for a sane foreign policy and I'll be happy he is in there to do it, to use Chris Mathew's words Thank GOD we have Rand Paul in the senate confirming nominees that affect our foreign policy.

The point I was trying to make is that if he really wants to help the people being oppressed by ISIS, he can propose real solutions like cutting off ISIS supply lines or sanctioning countries and institutions that support ISIS. I fully understand if it is not politically viable at this moment to do the right thing. Btw I have no problem with Rand going along with neocon policies especially when everybody else and their dog is supporting it. Policies like bombing ISIS, sanctioning Iran or Syria which gets like a 97-0 vote in the senate can be forgiven.

What cannot be forgiven is Rand going out of his way to support the independence of the Kurds when really nobody but Joe Biden is talking about. He is not going to be taken off any committee if he stops pushing this dangerous policy but yet he will not stop talking about how he plans on recreating Syria and Iraq.

As long as he continues pushing this policy, I will continue to call him out and I hope Trump shuts him down if he tries to push this policy on him. Rand's motor should be "do not push any policies which would do harm to others". I would look the other way if he votes for such a plan when it has unanimous support in the senate but he cannot be the one proposing and sponsoring it.

 

[RandallFan]

He's not going to do anything. He's going to jump from one controversial tweet to another & that's actually bad for the neocons who want to impose serious policy of bombing brown people because making fun of beltway fiscal conservative think tank CW is a bigger crime.

Assad is the strongest force to bomb natural safe zones into existence with the goofiest of arabs, with unibrows being bombed.

 

[nikcers]

The point I was trying to make is that if he really wants to help the people being oppressed by ISIS, he can --.

Win- If he wanted to stop the military industrial complex it would take a win. He was doing everything he thought he needed to do to Win. You can fault him for not winning, or fault him for not doing what you thought he should of done, but for anything else you are just being a dick.

 

[nikcers]

As long as he continues pushing this policy, I will continue to call him out and I hope Trump shuts him down if.

This isn't even a real policy Show me one bill Rand purposed to arm the Kurds, or one that he voted for? This is the real problem this movement had, Rand Paul couldn't even debate our foreign policy without getting shit on by the press by being non intervention and when he tries to spell out why its bad in a soundbyte format debate style shitholes like you take soundbytes out and take them out of context and try to ruin his image. Trump could of shit on a babies faces and his supporters would of forgave him, but Rand Paul tries to debate cost offsets with our defence and all the sudden Rand Paul is pro war and pro defence. Rand Paul brings up that we haven't even declared these wars and the only way he can get in the news is by declaring war against ISIS and now shitholes like you claim he is pro war. IF he is pro war why did Ron Paul campaign for Rand Paul??