Neocon Triumph? Trump Calls For 'Safe Zones' in Syria

[goldenequity]

Love the way he says, "we take a big chunk of Syria" because taking a small chunk to create a safe zone wouldn't be enough.

 

[Dark_Horse_Rider]

Russian plane en route to Syria reported crashed with national choir aboard.

 

[TheCount]

Russian plane en route to Syria reported crashed with national choir aboard.

I guess the victory party is cancelled.

 

[goldenequity]

Conflict News ‏@Conflicts 2 hod.
SYRIA: Turkish Pres. Erdoğan says will raise issue of a no fly zone in N. Syria with Trump when he takes office - @CNNTURK_ENG

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There really is no NEED for 'safe zones'
which have always been 'code' for globalist 'beachheads' to freeze conflicts,
provide cover for Intelligence agencies, NGOs to subvert, take over media
bankers and Western corps to gain footing for reconstruction and debt structuring
and ultimately de-nationalize and install puppet govs.

Putin is nobody's fool and neither is Assad.
If the UN is 'allowed' to set foot... it will be by Russian 'rules'
and
strategically placed w/ Russia and Sovereign Syria controlling airspace.

NOTE that all the disarmed jihaddis
are (now) being bussed to and warehoused in Idlib
along Turkey border.
The infested little creatures can now
easily crawl back into the cesspool that bred them.
Erdo can have them ALL back. Good luck.

 

[The Rebel Poet]

The infested little creatures can now easily crawl back into the cesspool that bred them.

They're coming to America??

 

[juleswin]

I guess the victory party is cancelled.

True but I guess some people here would be popping champagne that Russians died :wink: :wink:

#fvckingrussophobes

 

[juleswin]

I don't get it,

 

[goldenequity]

I don't get it,

Don't fall for the 'safe zone' con... no matter who 'explains' it.

 

[juleswin]

Don't fall for the 'safe zone' con... no matter who 'explains' it.

Gotcha, complete agree with you. I am so pissed off at politicians right now to the point that even Rand is disappointing me. Oh well, at least I can say his plan for safe space is not as horrible as Rand's plan to forcibly carve out space in Syria and Iraq for the Kurds.

Can anyone imagine Rand proposing craving up France, Germany and Italy for the Gypsies? but that is essentially what he is trying to do in the Middle East. Where he got the authority to do such a thing, we would never know.

Merry Christmas Golden. Keep updating the Syrian thread, I love reading them and I try to check into them whenever I am on.

 

[nikcers]

at least I can say his plan for safe space is not as horrible as Rand's plan to forcibly carve out space in Syria and Iraq for the Kurds.

Can anyone imagine Rand proposing craving up France, Germany and Italy for the Gypsies?

Don't you think we have any obligation to arm them so that they can defend themselves since we already armed their enemies? I don't think anyone has the golden bullet to the "Russia" problem, but atleast in the case with the Iraqi government, when we gave them arms they threw up their hands and let ISIS come in, then begged Russia to come in to save them from ISIS.

 

[juleswin]

Don't you think we have any obligation to arm them so that they can defend themselves since we already armed their enemies? I don't think anyone has the golden bullet to the "Russia" problem, but atleast in the case with the Iraqi government, when we gave them arms they threw up their hands and let ISIS come in, then begged Russia to come in to save them from ISIS.

Rand is not talking about arming them to defend themselves, he is talking about arming them so they can defend themselves from their host country. He has been talking about his plan to arm the Kurds so they can break away. If he was talking about giving arms to defend against ISIS, he would also be talking about arming the Druze, Christians, Assyrians etc etc which are also ethnic groups that has been harassed by ISIS.

Also is there any guarantee that said arms would not be taken by some other group that we armed? it is as if these people did not learn any lessons from weapon proliferation in the region.

Btw, there are more recent videos of Rand talking about his plan to divide up a country that he knows nothing about. I listen to it and it makes me cringe really bad. On this issue, it seems like Trump has gone full retard. Heck, he even says how Joe Biden has the same plan with him. If you ever find yourself on the same side with Joe Biden, it is time to rethink it.

 

[nikcers]

Rand is not talking about arming them to defend themselves, he is talking about arming them so they can defend themselves from their host country. He has been talking about his plan to arm the Kurds so they can break away.

I've seen him say that the Kurds should have the ability to fight for their independence, but he is talking about arming the kurds because the kurds have been the biggest enemies of ISIS and Turkey has armed ISIS to use them as a tool against the Kurds. Turkey is fully enabled to do this by us. There is Kurdish blood on our hands, and giving them the ability to defend themselves is not the same as toppling Gaddafi or Saddam.

 

[juleswin]

I've seen him say that the Kurds should have the ability to fight for their independence, but he is talking about arming the kurds because the kurds have been the biggest enemies of ISIS and Turkey has armed ISIS to use them as a tool against the Kurds. Turkey is fully enabled to do this by us. There is Kurdish blood on our hands, and giving them the ability to defend themselves is not the same as toppling Gaddafi or Saddam.

Yea, I hear you. But unlike people like Rand, I see no difference between shia, christian, sunni, druze or Kurds blood. If anything I have less sympathy for the Kurds seeing as they have abused the generosity of their host countries to assist the west into attacking and dividing them.

If the Kurds what to fight for their independence, let them give it a try. They would see what happens when you try to take something that doesn't belong to you.

 

[nikcers]

Yea, I hear you. But unlike people like Rand, I see no difference between shia, christian, sunni, druze or Kurds blood. If anything I have less sympathy for the Kurds seeing as they have abused the generosity of their host countries to assist the west into attacking and dividing them.

If the Kurds what to fight for their independence, let them give it a try. They would see what happens when you try to take something that doesn't belong to you.

I think the argument Rand Paul makes is that foreign people can't win a religious war- so when he is asked what the solution is to this, he says that it would be through diplomacy with people who don't subscribe to the religion of terror. Right now we are arming terror to cancel war with Russia, and the outcome is what we are seeing, a huge terror organization. Rand says let's not arm terror to cancel war with Russia, but lets also help the people who we armed the enemies of, because they have fought side by side with us against the enemies we created.

 

[goldenequity]

Kurds = Geopolitical Tarbaby (if you've ever worked w/ tar on roofs, you know what I'm talking about.)
They are extremely 'fungible' / useful in the 'dark arts' of terror and power politics...
like having 'Wildcards' in a poker game, serious players hate it.

I can make a case (or you can investigate)
how the 'clever' Israelis have been incestuously 'involved'
with the Kurd 'leadership' since the 1960's...
leading right to present day Barzani himself w/ peshmerga in Erbil.
And BELIEVE me when I say it's NOT
about the 'Kurds' as an ethnic/downtrodden minority.
It's about using them as 'anti-matter' to the Sovereign States of Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria.
Surprise. (not) Hell.. many have joined and fight with ISIS, traffic/transport ISIS oil/drugs etc.

I am NO ENEMY of the Kuridsh plight however.
I just recognize how infested and complex it is... even within the Kurd community.
My hope?
That (at least) the Rojavans can organize and unify amongst themselves,
resist any 'help' from the divisive Western hegemons (especially US, UK & Israel)
and swear allegiance to the Syrian State.
Sound simple?
Believe me... it's not... actually borderline 'hopeless'. SDF is ALREADY 'fracturing' as we speak. (sigh.)

 

[juleswin]

Kurds = Geopolitical Tarbaby (if you've ever worked w/ tar on roofs, you know what I'm talking about.)
They are extremely 'fungible' / useful in the 'dark arts' of terror and power politics...
like having 'Wildcards' in a poker game, serious players hate it.

I can make a case (or you can investigate)
how the 'clever' Israelis have been incestuously 'involved'
with the Kurd 'leadership' since the 1960's...
leading right to present day Barzani himself w/ peshmerga in Erbil.
And BELIEVE me when I say it's NOT
about the 'Kurds' as an ethnic/downtrodden minority.
It's about using them as 'anti-matter' to the Sovereign States of Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria.
Surprise. (not) Hell.. many have joined and fight with ISIS, traffic/transport ISIS oil/drugs etc.

I am NO ENEMY of the Kuridsh plight however.
I just recognize how infested and complex it is... even within the Kurd community.
My hope?
That (at least) the Rojavans can organize and unify amongst themselves,
resist any 'help' from the divisive Western hegemons (especially US, UK & Israel)
and swear allegiance to the Syrian State.
Sound simple?
Believe me... it's not... actually borderline 'hopeless'. SDF is ALREADY 'fracturing' as we speak. (sigh.)

This 100x, I think the Kurds are used as a proxy to divide and carve up these states that are not very friendly to the US and Rand is falling for the propaganda that they are mistreated or need a homeland like every ethnic nomadic group have a right to a homeland.

Heck even the American Indians don't have a homeland in the US and I would challenge Rand to create a true homeland for them before trying to meddle in someone else business

 

[nikcers]

This 100x, I think the Kurds are used as a proxy to divide and carve up these states that are not very friendly to the US and Rand is falling for the propaganda that they are mistreated or need a homeland like every ethnic nomadic group have a right to a homeland.

Heck even the American Indians don't have a homeland in the US and I would challenge Rand to create a true homeland for them before trying to meddle in someone else business

I think he's done 10,000 interviews, and each one gives him a little soundbyte to add to his foreign policy. I've tried watching as many as I can. I have never seen him say that every ethnic nomadic group has a right to a homeland. I think if the United States used the Kurds as a proxy to fight our wars, then the least we can do is arm them to defend themselves from our weapons.

 

[juleswin]

I think he's done 10,000 interviews, and each one gives him a little soundbyte to add to his foreign policy. I've tried watching as many as I can. I have never seen him say that every ethnic nomadic group has a right to a homeland. I think if the United States used the Kurds as a proxy to fight our wars, then the least we can do is arm them to defend themselves from our weapons.

I didn't mean to say that he wants every ethnic group in the world to have a homeland. Thats why I said "like" in the sentence.

Also, why punish the people that the Kurds have betrayed by further carving out their countries to give to the betrayers? Its like a tenant that helped the police arrest the landlord for some victimless crime and after the tenant snitch has been exposed. The police compensate the backstabbing snake of a tenant by seizing a portion of the building to give to this backstabber.

American has a lot of empty land they dont use. Rand can start by giving them something they actually own not try and steal from another nation to give to the Kurds. If I was the president of a country with Kurds inside it. I will be preparing laws this minute to deport every single one of them out of the country.

 

[nikcers]

I didn't mean to say that he wants every ethnic group in the world to have a homeland. Thats why I said "like" in the sentence.

Also, why punish the people that the Kurds have betrayed by further carving out their countries to give to the betrayers? Its like a tenant that helped the police arrest the landlord for some victimless crime and after the tenant snitch has been exposed. The police compensate the backstabbing snake of a tenant by seizing a portion of the building to give to this backstabber.

American has a lot of empty land they dont use. Rand can start by giving them something they actually own not try and steal from another nation to give to the Kurds. If I was the president of a country with Kurds inside it. I will be preparing laws this minute to deport every single one of them out of the country.

Are you saying that Rand Paul while running for president should of campaigned on leaving the middle east and bringing people from the middle east back to America with us, instead of leaving the middle east and letting them fight their own battles, or do you think he should of gone the full Trump and said he had no middle east policy.

 

[juleswin]

Are you saying that Rand Paul while running for president should of campaigned on leaving the middle east and bringing people from the middle east back to America with us, instead of leaving the middle east and letting them fight their own battles, or do you think he should of gone the full Trump and said he had no middle east policy.

What am I saying is that if Rand wants to reward the Kurds for being good stooges to the US, he should reward them by giving them something he has an right of giving them. Land in Syria is not one of them. Personally, I prefer Rand pay attention to his constituents and not some ethnic group in Syria but if he wishes to be stupid about it and insert himself in an issues that is non of his business then he better promise them land in the US not one in Iraq and Syria.

Also Trump has a Middle East policy during the campaign and that was that of non interference. You may not like it but that is a real policy that I even a Trump hater agrees with.