Nation Builder due diligence

[jacobin]

WHOIS info will be fixed, we were debating if we'd use another address at the time.

I sure hope others are out there going to events and not just talking on the Internet.

I go to around 3 events a week and nearly work full time on GOP advocacy. My main cause is winning a U.S. Senate race for Murray Sabrin and surprisingly even major activists in NYC don't even know who he is. Hence, our purpose -- educate and inform.

 

[jacobin]

Everyone that questioned us, please help us make phone calls and emails to the 14th District and assist with all the other projects we have.

I have 5,000 people I need to call in March -- any offers to help?

 

[smokey1sc]

can you please

Gee! Can WE get some info? Sounds crooked as hell!

Remove any negative comments from this thread. Thanks.

 

[Sandra]

You've admitted you are NOT a PAC, want money, and want negative comments removed? You admit freely to doing thing unlawfully. Did you see what was written in red?

 

[jacobin]

What exactly is your question?

Nation Builder is organizing as a 501(c)(4). I will have to ask the attorney regarding foreign donations. If not, surely we can have foreign donors support a 501(c)(3) that is general education.

Perhaps we don't have an "online track record" because we are out in the real world, working and fighting hard.

There are a lot of people who know me in the community across the country...I can provide references.

But now I have questions for you -- are you a County Organizer? A Meetup Organizer? Did you run for delegate? Are you running for National Delegate? Are you an active member of your local GOP? Do you host events? Did you tell over 200 people individually their caucus/polling location? Do you make phone calls and mail letters? Do you go out and meet every local candidate running you can? Have you volunteered to an organization to keep fighting for our cause? Are you auto-dialing and individually calling thousands of people? Are you assisting any national campaigns?

If not, then that's the reason you don't know me -- or everyone else that is effecting real change in the movement.

And sorry if I can't respond again, but considering the answer to every question above is a yes for me, you can see I'm quite busy. But feel free to call the 888 #.

 

[Sandra]

What exactly is your question?

Nation Builder is organizing as a 501(c)(4). I will have to ask the attorney regarding foreign donations. If not, surely we can have foreign donors support a 501(c)(3) that is general education.

Perhaps we don't have an "online track record" because we are out in the real world, working and fighting hard.

There are a lot of people who know me in the community across the country...I can provide references.

But now I have questions for you -- are you a County Organizer? A Meetup Organizer? Did you run for delegate? Are you running for National Delegate? Are you an active member of your local GOP? Do you host events? Did you tell over 200 people individually their caucus/polling location? Do you make phone calls and mail letters? Do you go out and meet every local candidate running you can? Have you volunteered to an organization to keep fighting for our cause? Are you auto-dialing and individually calling thousands of people? Are you assisting any national campaigns?

If not, then that's the reason you don't know me -- or everyone else that is effecting real change in the movement.

And sorry if I can't respond again, but considering the answer to every question above is a yes for me, you can see I'm quite busy. But feel free to call the 888 #.

You claimed earlier this morning you were an "unformed" group. So between early this Sunday morning and now you miraculously became a 501? Time for moderators to close this thread.

 

[jacobin]

It is unformed at the moment, and perhaps we will have to deny the foreign contributor -- but this is for our attorney.

Again, who are you? If you can prove to me you do half the stuff I do, than the mods can close this thread.

And please call me if you want to continue this discussion.

 

[jacobin]

You do realize you are advocating the IRS's position don't you? Are we using tax-deductible donations for political advocacy? Are we receiving foreign contributions to promote the sovereignty of individuals and the U.S. Constitution?

I bet you can report us at www.irs.gov if you'd like.

 

[Sandra]

http://nationbuilder.org/about.html

It is unformed at the moment, and perhaps we will have to deny the foreign contributor -- but this is for our attorney.

Again, who are you? If you can prove to me you do half the stuff I do, than the mods can close this thread.

And please call me if you want to continue this discussion.

But you JUST SAID YOU WERE A 501!

 

[jacobin]

But you JUST SAID YOU WERE A 501!

I have said the same thing consistently. I said we are organizing as a 501(c)(4). It has said that on the website since it launched.

Do you realize how long it takes to receive 501(c)(4) status? And we just started this week.

And I'm sure you've seen my Meetup, can I see your's please?

 

[Sandra]

You have to have 501 status, THEN ask for donations. Otherwise it's a scam.

 

[jacobin]

That's a non sequitur. If anything, it is violating tax laws, so again why are you advocating the IRS's position?

I will have to check the Internal Revenue code to see if accepting donations to help organize and pay the cost of getting tax-exemption status is legal. It is for a PAC.

Please point me to the law, you sound like an attorney.

 

[Sandra]

You're trying to get us on the defensive while you're peddling a scam you admit isn't legal.

 

[Sandra]

Everything you are saying sounds a bit crazy but please point me to your Meetup group.

How can we be sure you are a real supporter and not someone trying to steer people the wrong way?

A PM sent to me by jacobin

All PM's from you will be posted.

 

[Sandra]

[ Admin Note- RonPaulForums.com maintains neutrality on the established credibility of forum members, particular those with no online track record and does recommend all users perform proper due diligence and use their best judgment before donating to any particular cause. The forum guidelines include the following:

+ Care should be used when soliciting money for some effort to support the campaign as it is totally possible that a scam artist will be looking to take advantage of the good nature of Ron Paul supporters. If you're going to do anything that will solicit taking money you'd be wise to make sure you have some established credibility within the community that matches what you expect. If you don't have that, try to set up some arrangements with a third party that does that so people send money to the trusted third party who make sure it goes where intended.http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=22 ]

Just a reminder Admin put on first post.

 

[jacobin]

You are scamming time from the real activists.

I'm done for now. I'll be back with a lawyer and more real activists to educate you properly. Not only are you misinformed but you are unethical posting a private message. They are innocuous anyway but it doesn't reflect well on your character.

I offered my phone number to call me and you respond with counterfactual statements like "if it isn't a 501, it is a scam", although there is no conditional correlation between one and the other. It's like saying, "if it is a 501, it is not a scam" when clearly that has no bearing on an organization's credibility.

You are way out of your league intellectually and with regards to activism.

If I'm wrong, then POST YOUR MEETUP PAGE -- thank you! Bye.

 

[Sandra]

Buh Bye

 

[pacelli]

You're trying to get us on the defensive while you're peddling a scam you admit isn't legal.

The free market will decide whether this new 'project' is legitimate or not. I am highly suspicious of any organization that is attacking the questions of their potential customers.

 

[pacelli]

It's like saying, "if it is a 501, it is not a scam" when clearly that has no bearing on an organization's credibility.

Good point, 501's can be scams too.

You are way out of your league intellectually and with regards to activism.

You are starting an activist organization that is requesting people to fund, yet, you criticize people for their lack of activism.

If I'm wrong, then POST YOUR MEETUP PAGE -- thank you! Bye.

Being involved in a meetup is not a source of business credibility.

 

[Mark]

What exactly is your question?

Nation Builder is organizing as a 501(c)(4). I will have to ask the attorney regarding foreign donations. If not, surely we can have foreign donors support a 501(c)(3) that is general education.

Jacobin, you can find out a lot about 501(c)4 Orgs online without the expense of asking an attorney.

Contributions from Foreign Nationals are strictly forbidden for any political Org, PACS and 501(c)4's included.

You'll have to return all money received from people who aren't U.S. Citizens, else you'll be in a lot of trouble with the FEC.