NASA’s Hansen Exploits Hot Summers to Push Carbon Fascism

[Travlyr]

Is that the best you got? And you think it's a new one made after the Swindle movie?
http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm

The Best I've Got??

It completely discredits the lies told by global warming alarmists who claim that CO2 levels cause Global Warming. CO2 levels always follow climate change... forever... throughout history. Science actually works when studied.

 

[Travlyr]

Hemp can be a useful plant but it will not solve our problems. Food prices? If you grow lots of hemp on an industrial level, you will need lots of land- that would displace cropland. Clean burning? Burning is still dirty. Cleaner than some coals- yes. Definately. It does require more energy to burn since it burns at a higher temperature. It has a limited shelf life so it would need either refrigerated storage (more space and energy being used for the refrigeration) or to be used relatively quickly. Solve our energy needs? I once ran numbers for energy yields from hemp and came up that we would have to plant twice the entire landmass of the US with hemp to replace all of our annual oil comsumption. Nearly every machine which uses petroleum would have to be re-modified or re-designed to use hemp oil (because of its different viscosity and burning temperature issues mentioned earlier) which would cost money to transistion. Useful- yes. Definately. The answer to everything? No. No single product is.

Zippy, why is industrial hemp illegal to grow and use?

 

[KingRobbStark]

When people living in the desert start moving out of their homes because of the "extra" heat is the moment I start to seriously consider global warming

 

[Zippyjuan]

Zippy, why is industrial hemp illegal to grow and use?

I could not say though there does seem to be some unjustified concern that it is too similar to canabis. Hemp products are legally available in this country.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

When people living in the desert start moving out of their homes because of the "extra" heat is the moment I start to seriously consider global warming

I think that may be a good rule of thumb.

 

[Travlyr]

I could not say though there does seem to be some unjustified concern that it is too similar to canabis. Hemp products are legally available in this country.

Yes, but the authorities will throw hemp growers in jail today in the United States and it is the most green plant known to man. Is it the savior of the Earth? I don't know, but the Department of Agriculture thought it so valuable as to win a World War. That's pretty valuable.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xHCkOnn-A

 

[Nickels]

The Best I've Got??

It completely discredits the lies told by global warming alarmists who claim that CO2 levels cause Global Warming. CO2 levels always follow climate change... forever... throughout history. Science actually works when studied.

It WOULD completely discredit the theory of greenhouse gas IF it were true, but it's not. Whether or not CO2 causes global warming does not change whether global warming is true either (if you don't dispute that good).

 

[awake]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]"An "environmentalist" is a totalitarian socialist whose real objective is to revive socialism and economic central planning under the subterfuge of "saving the planet" from capitalism. He is "green" on the outside, but red on the inside, and is hence appropriately labeled a "watermelon." - T.DiLorenzo[/FONT]

This is the best summary I have read on environmentalists. Capitalism can solve environmental pollution and resource problems, but watermelons, like the closet power whores they they truly are, are not interested in solving the problem, only getting a seat in the lucrative bureaucracy and planning their endless loot-athon.

 

[Zippyjuan]

Like capitalism (their version of it) is solving the pollution problems in China?

Nobody owns the air or the water so there is no cost to a company for polluting it. Unless you implement laws and fines and such.

 

[Travlyr]

It WOULD completely discredit the theory of greenhouse gas IF it were true, but it's not. Whether or not CO2 causes global warming does not change whether global warming is true either (if you don't dispute that good).

Look at the graph. The Earth is IN a cooling phase.
http://www.globalwarming.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/European-Heat-Wave.jpg

 

[Nickels]

This is the best summary I have read on environmentalists.

And I agree, environmentalists and hippies are scum. I don't care about the planet, or animals, at least not more than it'll affect my own well being.

Capitalism can solve environmental pollution and resource problems

Can, but should it?

, but watermelons, like the closet power whores they they truly are, are not interested in solving the problem, only getting a seat in the lucrative bureaucracy and planning their endless loot-athon.

I agree, I don't listen to environmentalists. Call them whatever name you want, just don't call them scientists.

 

[Nickels]

Like capitalism (their version of it) is solving the pollution problems in China?

Nobody owns the air or the water so there is no cost to a company for polluting it. Unless you implement laws and fines and such.

exactly, THEIR version of it. "TRUE" capitalism would solve it.

 

[Elwar]

Not sure if this is the same report but I heard on the radio the other day that a report was saying that every state in the US had a record hot summer this year, the only exception being Washington.

I was expecting the exception to be Florida. We have had a few of our usual hot days here recently but it has been a very mild summer. Maybe it is all the rain we are getting but my A/C bill has been quite low this summer and we have hardly hit 90 here.

 

[Nickels]

Look at the graph. The Earth is IN a cooling phase.
http://www.globalwarming.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/European-Heat-Wave.jpg

what is this graph telling us? is this a 2003 record? Did you know Global Warming Swindle was made in 2007, and you claim "recent years alarmists have been completely discredited"? Which argument are you going to jump to next? I'm not sure what's worse, jumping one after another, or clinging on what's been debunked.

 

[Nickels]

Not sure if this is the same report but I heard on the radio the other day that a report was saying that every state in the US had a record hot summer this year, the only exception being Washington.

That's what this thread was started for, that this record temperature is being exploited for carbon tax.

I was expecting the exception to be Florida. We have had a few of our usual hot days here recently but it has been a very mild summer. Maybe it is all the rain we are getting but my A/C bill has been quite low this summer and we have hardly hit 90 here.

 

[Travlyr]

what is this graph telling us? is this a 2003 record? Did you know Global Warming Swindle was made in 2007, and you claim "recent years alarmists have been completely discredited"? Which argument are you going to jump to next? I'm not sure what's worse, jumping one after another, or clinging on what's been debunked.

What the Scientists are saying is that CO2 levels follow climate change. Global warming propagandists claim that CO2 is causing warming. History proves them wrong. What has been debunked is the government global warming alarmist researchers who profit from the propaganda as pseudo scientists. They want the free money. Global warming is hoax to tax the people. Climate Change is a well known fact since the beginning of time.

 

[Zippyjuan]

exactly, THEIR version of it. "TRUE" capitalism would solve it.

Can you explain how? Thanks.

As I mentioned, nobody owns water or air so there is no incentive (cost to the producer) not to pollute it. It is the cheapest method for a profit seeking enterprise to get rid of waste. Where does the economic incentive to polute less come in in a totally free capitalist market?

The market does not always take care of everything.

(I don't agree with "carbon taxes" but do feel that we did need some forms of laws to reduce pollution).

 

[John F Kennedy III]

What the Scientists are saying is that CO2 levels follow climate change. Global warming propagandists claim that CO2 is causing warming. History proves them wrong. What has been debunked is the government global warming alarmist researchers who profit from the propaganda as pseudo scientists. They want the free money. Global warming is hoax to tax the people. Climate Change is a well known fact since the beginning of time.

CO2 is one of the building blocks of life. They picked it so they can tax EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES. Sad to see so many people falling for it.

 

[Nickels]

What the Scientists are saying is that CO2 levels follow climate change.

And they're wrong, at least wrong enough to misleading. http://www.skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature-intermediate.htm

You seem to think "CO2 can't ever cause warming, it only causes cooling or has no effect whatsoever". Not so, facts and research tell us "CO2 isn't the sole cause of warming, but always amplifies it".

Global warming propagandists claim that CO2 is causing warming.

That is more true than saying it has no effect or causes cooling.

History proves them wrong.

No, it doesn't.

What has been debunked is the government global warming alarmist researchers who profit from the propaganda as pseudo scientists.

They're pseudo scientists because you decided they're wrong to start?

They want the free money. Global warming is hoax to tax the people.

Everybody wants free money. Global warming is not a hoax, it's a fact, the tax may be unnecessary or unfair, but that doesn't make global warming a hoax.

Wait, WOW, DID I JUST MISS THAT? You abandoned your argument again? This is gonna be fun.

Climate Change is a well known fact since the beginning of time.

When people say climate change they mean artificial climate change. If you are going to say global warming is real, but unfixable, fine, but don't say it's not happening in the next breath.

Decide already, which argument are you going with?

1. Global warming isn't happening
2. It's not bad, it's actually a good thing
3. It's not avoidable
(You can only have one, any 2 will be contradictory)

 

[Travlyr]

CO2 is one of the building blocks of life. They picked it so they can tax EVERY ASPECT OF OUR LIVES. Sad to see so many people falling for it.

It truly is. A lot of the people falling for it are college educated indoctrinated with Master's and Doctorate degrees. It is a travesty.