My take on Trump after Ron Paul 2012.

[jmdrake]

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/usappblog/20...ized-debate-about-us-leadership-in-the-world/

He didn't support the Iraq War. He said "I guess so" and every anti trump are basking in glee. Having the guts to call the Iraq War a mistake in the SC debate was his stance. He had balls to do it. Respect. He destroyed Bush.

Same bombshell as with the Blowback Ron Paul moment. Rand Paul didn't drop any bomb. He was mostly transparent.

Okay. If that's the way you want to look at it.

And what's your rational for his full throated blood lust support for an invasion of Libya?

 

[ronpaulhawaii]

I supported Ron because he was principled, honest, and defended liberty.

IMO - Trump is the opposite.

 

[Rad]

Adelson Sheldon said, "why not?" When Trump's nomination etc was mentioned to him. Also during his AIPAC speech said he would get rid of the Iran deal but later said he would police it hard. Now which is he gonna do? He can't police something that he gets rid of. He is like Obama and what Rand kinda wanted to be. Someone who is all things to all people. The only consistency is that he thinks the US is a business that isn't doing well and that he thinks he is capable of turning her around and making her great again. Trump is probably less interventionist than Hillary but he is no Ron Paul. Now why are we talking about this? This forum pretty much doesn't like Trump at all and the threads are less about ideas and more attacks on each other (I am planning on creating a Trump based thread in my favorite forum section). He doesn't need any advocates because he is doing just fine.

 

[CPUd]

 

[Rad]

Exactly, so which is it? He said it in the same speech. I've had one supporter argue that he was buttering AIPAC up with the dismantling rhetoric and the policing was his real position, but how do they know? Its just hope.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I supported Ron because he was principled, honest, and defended liberty.

IMO - Trump is the opposite.

Really...no more difficult to understand than that.

 

[PursuePeace]

lol.. you made a huge mistake not supporting Rand. I can't believe how many people got hoodwinked into not supporting Ron Paul's own son, who Ron Paul himself fully supported..

You are making the argument that, "In our world, you cannot succeed without it unless you have the establishment machine behind you." .... Well... WTF did you think Rand was trying to do?? If Ron Paul's supporters hadn't all abandoned Rand, we wouldn't be sitting here deciding whether or not we should support some authoritarian-lite just because he might be anti-establishment.. we would have a true freedom fighter in our corner, someone with a much better foreign policy than Trump.

Couldn't have said it better.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to dannno again."

 

[RandallFan]

AIPAC pandering

Obviously, he's suggesting they pass some sort of Israel-ring-kissing sanction on Iran. He's going to enforce this new deal on Iran in a strong way.

It's stupid but it's not a flip flop.

Cruz is way worse. Cruz wants to fight wars for Georgia, Armenia, Urkaine NWO Christians, Sunni wahabis in Syria/Iraq, Sunni wahabis in Yemen, and all over the place.

 

[CPUd]

Obviously, he's suggesting they pass some sort of Israel-ring-kissing sanction on Iran. He's going to enforce this new deal on Iran in a strong way.

It's stupid but it's not a flip flop.

Cruz is way worse. Cruz wants to fight wars for Georgia, Armenia, Urkaine NWO Christians, Sunni wahabis in Syria/Iraq, Sunni wahabis in Yemen, and all over the place.

He said it in the same speech, in both cases, he was referring to the same deal, the one that has already been passed.

 

[RandallFan]

He was talking about a new deal obviously.

 

[ProBlue33]

[MENTION=15908]Mordan[/MENTION] I hear you and agree with you, but you must understand the people posting against you in this thread are "purists", they would rather have Trump lose the RNC/GOP, and have them run some loser against Hillary and down goes the country even further.

You and me and few other still posting on RPF are the strategists we want to see Trump end the RNC shenanigans that prevented Ron Paul in 2012 from even getting the respect he had earned through the primaries at the convention. If Ron Paul ended peoples apathy what happened at that 2012 convention got it going again.
The people still posting on RPF are in basically 2 camps now "Purists" and "Strategists", and Bryan seems to be favoring the purists now, he owns it, thats his right. But it's because they complained so bitterly and so constantly he was forced to do something to get them off his back.
In my opinion it didn't make a liberty based forum on the 2016 election better, but self-censoring, which goes against libertarian principles.

 

[CPUd]

He was talking about a new deal obviously.

My number-one priority is to dismantle the disastrous deal with Iran.

...


When I’m president, I will adopt a strategy that focuses on three things when it comes to Iran. First, we will stand up to Iran’s aggressive push to destabilize and dominate the region.

...


Third, at the very least, we must enforce the terms of the previous deal to hold Iran totally accountable. And we will enforce it like you’ve never seen a contract enforced before, folks, believe me.

http://time.com/4267058/donald-trump-aipac-speech-transcript/

 

[twomp]

[MENTION=15908]Mordan[/MENTION] I hear you and agree with you, but you must understand the people posting against you in this thread are "purists", they would rather have Trump lose the RNC/GOP, and have them run some loser against Hillary and down goes the country even further.

You and me and few other still posting on RPF are the strategists we want to see Trump end the RNC shenanigans that prevented Ron Paul in 2012 from even getting the respect he had earned through the primaries at the convention. If Ron Paul ended peoples apathy what happened at that 2012 convention got it going again.
The people still posting on RPF are in basically 2 camps now "Purists" and "Strategists", and Bryan seems to be favoring the purists now, he owns it, thats his right. But it's because they complained so bitterly and so constantly he was forced to do something to get them off his back.
In my opinion it didn't make a liberty based forum on the 2016 election better, but self-censoring, which goes against libertarian principles.

Or it is because you Trump trolls shill for Trump endlessly kind of like the Obama trolls, Bernie trolls, Clinton trolls and Romney trolls. You guys are no different than them but you seem to expect respect for some reason... You want to drum up support for Trump who is an obvious authoritarian and get upset when people tell you that you are an idiot for trying to promote an authoritarian on a liberty forum. The argument that "the establishment hates Trump" isn't really an argument that supports liberty. Cry more though... your tears are delicious...

 

[nikcers]

Hey guys the establishment really hates isisnorthkoreairanrussiabearpig lets support him and his cause because whatever hurts the establishment is good for us right guys?

 

[Mordan]

Or it is because you Trump trolls shill for Trump endlessly kind of like the Obama trolls, Bernie trolls, Clinton trolls and Romney trolls. You guys are no different than them but you seem to expect respect for some reason... You want to drum up support for Trump who is an obvious authoritarian and get upset when people tell you that you are an idiot for trying to promote an authoritarian on a liberty forum. The argument that "the establishment hates Trump" isn't really an argument that supports liberty. Cry more though... your tears are delicious...

I'm not trolling. I used to be trolling for RP on hannity forums . Here I came because I value the opinions of others. I understand that many here don't want Trump. Fine. I understand their arguments now. But it seems many Purists here are quick to insult or belittle.
[MENTION=6136]ProBlue33[/MENTION]
I guess you have a point. Trump and Sanders advance the interests of Liberty in the end. Anything but the statu quo. Bush, Romney and Co. are backing Cruz. So Cruz is actually the Con.
Sure Cruz knows the corrupted rules of selecting delegates. Ground game? Gimme a break. I will never forget RP 2012.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Hey guys the establishment really hates isisnorthkoreairanrussiabearpig lets support him and his cause because whatever hurts the establishment is good for us right guys?

Or it is because you Trump trolls shill for Trump endlessly kind of like the Obama trolls, Bernie trolls, Clinton trolls and Romney trolls. You guys are no different than them but you seem to expect respect for some reason... You want to drum up support for Trump who is an obvious authoritarian and get upset when people tell you that you are an idiot for trying to promote an authoritarian on a liberty forum. The argument that "the establishment hates Trump" isn't really an argument that supports liberty. Cry more though... your tears are delicious...

Is that kinda like how some on this forum supported the Occupy movement or cozied up with Code Pink? Double standard, anyone?

 

[Rad]

Hey guys the establishment really hates isisnorthkoreairanrussiabearpig lets support him and his cause because whatever hurts the establishment is good for us right guys?

I remember in school when one person acted up real bad then everyone was punished. This is collective punishment. We all collectively deserve Trump for not putting Ron Paul in office. Why should the elite be happy? We should all be miserable! They need to face what they created and reap the whirlwind: http://biblehub.com/hosea/8-7.htm

I'm just curious what happens if Trump doesn't get the nomination. What are a bunch of poor white people going to do? Will they be complacent or will they give Homeland Security something to do and justify its existence? Colorado didn't have a vote. We are in interesting territory. I'm not familiar of any other time this has happened. Anyone?

I'll never vote for Trump. Hopefully a third party candidate rises and gets the not Hillary or Trump vote! This election season is the perfect storm for one. I wish all the third parties would unite and support only one candidate and save us from Trump/Cruz and Hillary.

 

[CPUd]

I remember in school when one person acted up real bad then everyone was punished. This is collective punishment. We all collectively deserve Trump for not putting Ron Paul in office. Why should the elite be happy? We should all be miserable! They need to face what they created and reap the whirlwind: http://biblehub.com/hosea/8-7.htm

I'm just curious what happens if Trump doesn't get the nomination. What are a bunch of poor white people going to do? Will they be complacent or will they give Homeland Security something to do and justify its existence? Colorado didn't have a vote. We are in interesting territory. I'm not familiar of any other time this has happened. Anyone?

I'll never vote for Trump. Hopefully a third party candidate rises and gets the not Hillary or Trump vote! This election season is the perfect storm for one. I wish all the third parties would unite and support only one candidate and save us from Trump/Cruz and Hillary.

Colorado actually did have a vote. Trump supporters didn't show up because the official campaign dropped the ball, or just didn't care.

 

[Mordan]

Colorado actually did have a vote. Trump supporters didn't show up because the official campaign dropped the ball, or just didn't care.

Colorado changed their rules in August to create a firewall against an insurgent candidate. They would have found something to rob Trump of any delegates just like they did in Maine in 2012.

If it was Cruz vs Bush, I bet you Bush would win all the delegates.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Colorado actually did have a vote. Trump supporters didn't show up because the official campaign dropped the ball, or just didn't care.

Source? I thought that was the bone of contention, but can't find a definitive write-up about it.

All I'm seeing is the "Trump is threatening violence!" narrative by the msm.

What I have read is Trump spokesmen saying they never planned on spending resources on CO anyway. That would mean all the "we got cheated!" bluster is just to fire up the troops for the next one (which is smart).