My take on Trump after Ron Paul 2012.

[Mordan]

Hello,


I was with Ron Paul since 2008 and 2012. I loved him and lost friendships because of him. He was great but lacked what Trump has.

In our world, you cannot succeed without it unless you have the establishment machine behind you. When I first heard Trump was running I didn't pay attention remembering Trump antics when Ron Paul was running. I couldn't bother with any republicans. Rand Paul doesn't have what I identified as needed after 2008 and 2012.

So when in September 2015 I first heard and saw Trump talking to the media, punching back. I couldn't help think if only Ron Paul had that mojo, that saviness in talking. This high energy. Trump doesn't talk to the political junkie that practice intellectual onanism. He talks to absolutely everyone.
Ron Paul would always go off in a tangent, he would get boxed by reporters. It was always painful to watch.

Trump uncovers the corruption in the system and forces everyone to look at it, just like Sanders does. Trump doesn't know about delegate rules but those rules are what powers corruption!!! Remember how Ron Paul got boxed in 2012?

I don't even care about Trump policies except that he is a non-interventionist and anti illegal immigration. So I'm surprised Ron Paul supporters don't like him that much.

Just my 2 cents after 4 years.

 

[kahless]

Hello,


I was with Ron Paul since 2008 and 2012. I loved him and lost friendships because of him. He was great but lacked what Trump has.

In our world, you cannot succeed without it unless you have the establishment machine behind you. When I first heard Trump was running I didn't pay attention remembering Trump antics when Ron Paul was running. I couldn't bother with any republicans. Rand Paul doesn't have what I identified as needed after 2008 and 2012.

So when in September 2015 I first heard and saw Trump talking to the media, punching back. I couldn't help think if only Ron Paul had that mojo, that saviness in talking. This high energy. Trump doesn't talk to the political junkie that practice intellectual onanism. He talks to absolutely everyone.
Ron Paul would always go off in a tangent, he would get boxed by reporters. It was always painful to watch.

Trump uncovers the corruption in the system and forces everyone to look at it, just like Sanders does. Trump doesn't know about delegate rules but those rules are what powers corruption!!! Remember how Ron Paul got boxed in 2012?

I don't even care about Trump policies except that he is a non-interventionist and anti illegal immigration. So I'm surprised Ron Paul supporters don't like him that much.

Just my 2 cents after 4 years.

That is a pretty spot on observation. However this forum is not a good indication of "Ron Paul supporters" as a whole. There just happens to be a small loud contingent of Trump hater spammers here. Some may or may not be Paul supporters at all and some I suspect are actually being paid.

 

[klamath]

Hello,


I was with Ron Paul since 2008 and 2012. I loved him and lost friendships because of him. He was great but lacked what Trump has.

In our world, you cannot succeed without it unless you have the establishment machine behind you. When I first heard Trump was running I didn't pay attention remembering Trump antics when Ron Paul was running. I couldn't bother with any republicans. Rand Paul doesn't have what I identified as needed after 2008 and 2012.

So when in September 2015 I first heard and saw Trump talking to the media, punching back. I couldn't help think if only Ron Paul had that mojo, that saviness in talking. This high energy. Trump doesn't talk to the political junkie that practice intellectual onanism. He talks to absolutely everyone.
Ron Paul would always go off in a tangent, he would get boxed by reporters. It was always painful to watch.

Trump uncovers the corruption in the system and forces everyone to look at it, just like Sanders does. Trump doesn't know about delegate rules but those rules are what powers corruption!!! Remember how Ron Paul got boxed in 2012?

I don't even care about Trump policies except that he is a non-interventionist and anti illegal immigration. So I'm surprised Ron Paul supporters don't like him that much.

Just my 2 cents after 4 years.

I am so fucking tired of hearing this lie you trump supporters tell us. It has been proved Trump supported both the Iraq wars and the Libyan wars from the beginning. That is NOT non interventionist.

 

[Ender]

That is a pretty spot on observation. However this forum is not a good indication of "Ron Paul supporters" as a whole. There just happens to be a small loud contingent of Trump hater spammers here. Some may or may not be Paul supporters at all and some I suspect are actually being paid.

Hmmm...... my POV is quite the opposite.

"There just happens to be a small loud contingent of Trump lover spammers here. Some may or may not be Paul supporters at all and some I suspect are actually being paid."

And I seldom engage in the Trump dialog.

 

[Jamesiv1]

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[Jamesiv1]

Hmmm...... my POV is quite the opposite.

"There just happens to be a small loud contingent of Trump lover spammers here. Some may or may not be Paul supporters at all and some I suspect are actually being paid."

And I seldom engage in the Trump dialog.

I would say we have both.

 

[CaptUSA]

Hello,


I was with Ron Paul since 2008 and 2012. I loved him and lost friendships because of him. He was great but lacked what Trump has.

In our world, you cannot succeed without it unless you have the establishment machine behind you. When I first heard Trump was running I didn't pay attention remembering Trump antics when Ron Paul was running. I couldn't bother with any republicans. Rand Paul doesn't have what I identified as needed after 2008 and 2012.

So when in September 2015 I first heard and saw Trump talking to the media, punching back. I couldn't help think if only Ron Paul had that mojo, that saviness in talking. This high energy. Trump doesn't talk to the political junkie that practice intellectual onanism. He talks to absolutely everyone.
Ron Paul would always go off in a tangent, he would get boxed by reporters. It was always painful to watch.

Trump uncovers the corruption in the system and forces everyone to look at it, just like Sanders does. Trump doesn't know about delegate rules but those rules are what powers corruption!!! Remember how Ron Paul got boxed in 2012?

I don't even care about Trump policies except that he is a non-interventionist and anti illegal immigration. So I'm surprised Ron Paul supporters don't like him that much.
Just my 2 cents after 4 years.

Lol, perhaps you should check out what Ron Paul himself has been saying about selecting Trump.

 

[Bryan]

I don't even care about Trump policies except ...

We do care; and they are things that have been evaluated here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?491719-Campaign-Evaluation-Donald-Trump-(POTUS)

There has been no argument shown how Trump supports our principles or Mission in any significant manner. Additional analysis shows he is not worthy of promotion as a back-up or strategic candidate. We understand that others will disagree, which is fine, but the site has set a policy that limits the promotion of candidates that do not receive a favorable evaluation, as shown here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...t-Guidelines-for-2016-Presidential-Candidates

Obviously this doesn't mean that all site members agree in lockstep, which is again fine, but as a site everyone has to follow the guidelines. This thread is being closed as it is overly promoting Trump. You are welcome to contribute to the previous listed evaluation thread and provide pro's and con's as seen fit. Thank you for your understand and cooperation.

 

[Bryan]

We are reopening this for now as there can be value in the discussion, and the OP does not have a history of problems.

Please limit to analysis and thoughtful discussion of [MENTION=15908]Mordan[/MENTION]: post.

Do not use this thread as a spring board to promote Trump.

Thanks.

 

[LibertyEagle]

We are reopening this for now as there can be value in the discussion, and the OP does not have a history of problems.

Please limit to analysis and thought discussion of [MENTION=15908]Mordan[/MENTION]: post.

Do not use this thread as a spring board to promote Trump.

Thanks.

So, does this mean that you are opening it for people to bash the TS for what he posted, but no one who agrees with him can join in and post why they agree with his take? I probably am misunderstanding you, so please set me straight.

 

[Bryan]

I fixed a typo in my post, that should make it clear.

Please limit to analysis and thoughtful discussion


-- no need to bash the OP, that's against the guidelines anyways.

 

[dannno]

Hello,


I was with Ron Paul since 2008 and 2012. I loved him and lost friendships because of him. He was great but lacked what Trump has.

In our world, you cannot succeed without it unless you have the establishment machine behind you. When I first heard Trump was running I didn't pay attention remembering Trump antics when Ron Paul was running. I couldn't bother with any republicans. Rand Paul doesn't have what I identified as needed after 2008 and 2012.

So when in September 2015 I first heard and saw Trump talking to the media, punching back. I couldn't help think if only Ron Paul had that mojo, that saviness in talking. This high energy. Trump doesn't talk to the political junkie that practice intellectual onanism. He talks to absolutely everyone.
Ron Paul would always go off in a tangent, he would get boxed by reporters. It was always painful to watch.

Trump uncovers the corruption in the system and forces everyone to look at it, just like Sanders does. Trump doesn't know about delegate rules but those rules are what powers corruption!!! Remember how Ron Paul got boxed in 2012?

I don't even care about Trump policies except that he is a non-interventionist and anti illegal immigration. So I'm surprised Ron Paul supporters don't like him that much.

Just my 2 cents after 4 years.

lol.. you made a huge mistake not supporting Rand. I can't believe how many people got hoodwinked into not supporting Ron Paul's own son, who Ron Paul himself fully supported..

You are making the argument that, "In our world, you cannot succeed without it unless you have the establishment machine behind you." .... Well... WTF did you think Rand was trying to do?? If Ron Paul's supporters hadn't all abandoned Rand, we wouldn't be sitting here deciding whether or not we should support some authoritarian-lite just because he might be anti-establishment.. we would have a true freedom fighter in our corner, someone with a much better foreign policy than Trump.

 

[Mordan]

First off, thx for reopening my thread. I was baffled. If I was a new account, I would have understood but this is a 2008 account!

Many here might not like it, but fact is, Trump is liked by many. And when I keep reading the media insulting Trump supporters saying they are uneducated. I feel bad. I felt bad when replies here just jumped on conclusions.

What I said about not caring about policies might have been misunderstood. I do care about policies but I have become a single issue voter. And I want the people that made Ron Paul suffer LOSE. I see Trump as Karma to the GOP establishment. However bad some Trump ideas are, he has some good points and he has qualities.

When you see Romney pulling all the stops to prevent Trump from being nominated I can't stop but wanting Trump even more. Romney is the establishment hack who boxed Ron Paul. Therefore Trump must be doing something worth it. It is not rational. It is intuitive.
Ron Paul is a purist and will never vote for Trump of course.

This thread is not about promoting Trump for the sake of it. I'm a former RP supporter and wanted to have some insights about what others think. I was rooting for Rand Paul a bit but he became too establishment and left early. Its strange how Trump supporters quickly receive blame or insults everywhere they go. I remember being called a PaulBot on Hannity forums and was banned quickly.

 

[Mordan]

lol.. you made a huge mistake not supporting Rand. I can't believe how many people got hoodwinked into not supporting Ron Paul's own son, who Ron Paul himself fully supported..

I think you shouldn't put the blame on former Ron Paul supporters. It's not a dynasty. After the 2008 and 2012 I am wise enough to understand "Who has a Chance" and "Who has a snowball chance in Hell". Even Trump will probably be defeated by the Establishment.

 

[Mordan]

I am so $#@!ing tired of hearing this lie you trump supporters tell us. It has been proved Trump supported both the Iraq wars and the Libyan wars from the beginning. That is NOT non interventionist.

you know. here i found the videos that made me think of Ron Paul (foreign policy wise) and cemented my support. I think Trump is very non-interventionist compared to other GOPers. And I find it sad that Rand Paul doesn't have that image in my mind. He isn't like his father. Rand would toe the establishment line several times. I forgot exactly when but i didn't like what I heard. While when I heard Trump in those videos. It stuck and I agreed mostly.

Trump talks to the jewish coalition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQYOvDmWqjo&nohtml5=False

Trump Guardian Interview on Foreign Policy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re7BA2Ybjsg

 

[dannno]

I think you shouldn't put the blame on former Ron Paul supporters. It's not a dynasty. After the 2008 and 2012 I am wise enough to understand "Who has a Chance" and "Who has a snowball chance in Hell". Even Trump will probably be defeated by the Establishment.

So you thought Ron Paul had a chance, but Rand Paul didn't?

I think all else equal, Rand had a much better chance than his father, after what his father had done - as much as I'd really like to see Ron Paul as President, Rand had the potential to appeal to more conservative voters and more independent voters as well as the media. On the left they probably would have been similar since Ron Paul had a much more brazen foreign policy that appealed to them.

Rand didn't do well because most of the Ron Paul supporters abandoned him, so he didn't have a leg to stand on, and then on top of that we had at least one and maybe even two candidates who had been prepped for years and were put on the ticket, imo, for the sole purpose of keeping Rand Paul from getting the nomination (Cruz and Trump).

 

[dannno]

you know. here i found the videos that made me think of Ron Paul (foreign policy wise) and cemented my support. I think Trump is very non-interventionist compared to other GOPers. And I find it sad that Rand Paul doesn't have that image in my mind. He isn't like his father. Rand would toe the establishment line several times. I forgot exactly when but i didn't like what I heard. While when I heard Trump in those videos. It stuck and I agreed mostly.

Trump talks to the jewish coalition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQYOvDmWqjo&nohtml5=False

Trump Guardian Interview on Foreign Policy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re7BA2Ybjsg

Ya see this is exactly what I'm talking about. Rand tried to appeal to the establishment and the media, while also attempting to retain his father's support so he could win. You dropped your support for Rand due to his strategy, not his beliefs. You confused the two. Rand thought his father's supporters were smart enough to know the difference, but unfortunately that didn't work out too well. Rand has an infinitely better foreign policy than Donald Trump, and here you are saying how great Donald Trump's foreign policy is.. It's just absolutely nuts.

Trump, on the other hand, used a different tactic. He used his popularity as a tv star to discredit and tear apart the media and the establishment, even though we don't even know if he is actually anti-establishment - in the mean time Rand was trying to get along with the media and the establishment, which were dying out and Trump came in with some death blows and mucked up Rand's strategy.

The problem is Rand actually believes in freedom, and we have no idea what Donald Trump believes in.

And you still can't see that you got completely fooled by the establishment.

 

[Mordan]

So you thought Ron Paul had a chance, but Rand Paul didn't?

I think all else equal, Rand had a much better chance than his father, after what his father had done - as much as I'd really like to see Ron Paul as President, Rand had the potential to appeal to more conservative voters and more independent voters as well as the media. On the left they probably would have been similar since Ron Paul had a much more brazen foreign policy that appealed to them.

Rand didn't do well because most of the Ron Paul supporters abandoned him, so he didn't have a leg to stand on, and then on top of that we had at least one and maybe even two candidates who had been prepped for years and were put on the ticket, imo, for the sole purpose of keeping Rand Paul from getting the nomination (Cruz and Trump).

i was younger and yea I hoped Ron Paul could upset the powers that be.

See this New York Times article as to why Trump is running. Remove the tin foil. Trump never run to stop Rand. The article is quite good. It gives details on the relationship between Trump and Romney.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign.html

 

[Jamesiv1]

Ya see this is exactly what I'm talking about. Rand tried to appeal to the establishment and the media, while also attempting to retain his father's support so he could win. You dropped your support for Rand due to his strategy, not his beliefs. You confused the two. Rand thought his father's supporters were smart enough to know the difference, but unfortunately that didn't work out too well. Rand has an infinitely better foreign policy than Donald Trump, and here you are saying how great Donald Trump's foreign policy is.. It's just absolutely nuts.

Trump, on the other hand, used a different tactic. He used his popularity as a tv star to descredit and tear apart the media and the establishment, even though we don't even know if he is actually anti-establishment - in the mean time Rand was trying to get along with the media and the establishment, which were dying out and Trump came in with some death blows and mucked up Rand's strategy.

The problem is Rand actually believes in freedom, and we have no idea what Donald Trump believes in.

And you still can't see that you got completely fooled by the establishment.

You're waaaay over-thinking it.

Donald Trump has the best words. And that's all you need to know.

 

[Mordan]

Ya see this is exactly what I'm talking about. Rand tried to appeal to the establishment and the media, while also attempting to retain his father's support so he could win. You dropped your support for Rand due to his strategy, not his beliefs. You confused the two. Rand thought his father's supporters were smart enough to know the difference, but unfortunately that didn't work out too well. Rand has an infinitely better foreign policy than Donald Trump, and here you are saying how great Donald Trump's foreign policy is.. It's just absolutely nuts.

Trump, on the other hand, used a different tactic. He used his popularity as a tv star to descredit and tear apart the media and the establishment, even though we don't even know if he is actually anti-establishment - in the mean time Rand was trying to get along with the media and the establishment, which were dying out and Trump came in with some death blows and mucked up Rand's strategy.

The problem is Rand actually believes in freedom, and we have no idea what Donald Trump believes in.

And you still can't see that you got completely fooled by the establishment.

Rand accepted Bitcoin as donations. That's all I remember about him that stuck. Trump? He wants to deport illegal immigrants. Hello!! We have a winner.!!! That's the single one reason why Trump succeeded. Trump said it in a way that stuck in the minds of voters. Trump won Florida. He didn't spend a dime and Romney and his friends spent millions in attack ads. There you have Trump's anti establishment credentials.