My reasons why Paul is doing so poorly (from an unbiased Canadian)

[FreestarMediaDotCom]

I agree. Great product (Ron Paul's ideology), great person (integrity) but terrible packaging and delivery. He is handed golden opportunities to knock the ball out of the park and blows it. And I'm a big fan of his. He needs to say:

1. Eliminate the income tax by reducing spending to where it was 10 years ago.
2. Troops home, military serves U.S. not U.N.
3. Slash government make economy boom

 

[Gump9005]

I agree

 

[Corydoras]

The thing about the Angry Ron Paul is that he can sometimes sound shrill and crabby, or what some blogger called "everyone's crazy old uncle that nobody wants to sit next to at Thanksgiving." (Ouch.)

Here's an interesting September discussion about The Passion of Ron:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=19017

Note from the first post:

A youtube user who had the luxury to dine at the same table as Ron Paul was able to ask him about the Morton Downey Jr. show. Ron Paul replied that it wasn't really his personality to be angry like that, and that he was urged to be angry "for the show". He personally stated that he wouldn't watch it again.

 

[myst]

damn i hate mccain

 

[jackbid]

I agree absolutely. I know there has to be a way...

 

[Kaneda]

Dead on. The official campain should use more unconventional methods. He is an unconventional candidate after all, and i think the people are fed up with the "here, i have a pretty face, please vote me" commercials. They want change? Give them change !!!

 

[dbhohio47]

Great points from Canada. Regrettably, Dr. P's message is complex and doesn't work well with the 30 second "talking heads" presentation that the media offers. If people don't have a preliminary understanding of economics, his message goes over their heads... and he even starts sounding too radical. It seems to me that, given such, the Campaign ought to focus on his integrity to set him apart. That shouldn't be very difficult. Of the many fence-sitters that I've talked to, most don't understand his position on the issues; but agree that his vision is sincere and genuine, rather than your typical politician passing false promises just to get elected for future personal benefit.


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[Wolfgang Bohringer]

dbhohio47, I disagree that the message needs to be dumbed down in TV/radio ads. But I like your point about contrasting his integrity to the others.

All they need to do is just take that 20 second video from one of the debates where McCain says "We all came to Washington in 1994 to change Washington, but Washington changed us" and then juxtapose it with Ron's response that that "didn't apply to himself" and play that all over the place.

 

[myst]

I agree absolutely. I know there has to be a way...

yes i agree

 

[nate895]

Hallo
Heres why I think Paul is doing poorly.
When I see him on the media, Paul no longer has the anger and the rage behind him fueling his cause. He really, to me, looks tired - and Im sure he is. Back on the Morton Downey show 20 years ago, Paul kicked everyones ass. His answers were extremely well worded, they were powerful, they were with force, and they got the message across. Case in point http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo . That is an absolutely AMAZING reply, you dont see those anymore. You see a tired old gentleman. If Paul was on those debates, showing emotion, showing rage at the hopeless state this country is in and how badly it needs to change, something will happen. If you calmly and quietly describe your views, no one listens or cares - they think the issue couldnt be that important. I want to see Paul ANGRILY basically tell everyone to WAKE THE FUCK UP (through his message, not verbatim lol). Bring up how the troops have supported Paul more than any other candidate, bring up the value of the dollar overseas, the price of oil before and after the Iraq war, etc etc etc.

His responses do not say what they need to. He HAS to let the people know each and every opportunity he has, EXACTLY what he stands for. For example.. on Leno yesterday when asked about Fox, he says "maybe they didnt want to hear the message".. but he doesnt say what that message is. He hints at it here and there through the interview but he does not mention clearly that 1) He wants to bring home the troops IMMEDIATELY, 2) He wants to abolish the income tax, etc.

On the debate I remember Paul was asked what to do about immigrants, and Paul talks about 'opening the door for the national id card, and we should be careful about that'. But he doesnt not state WHY we need to be careful about that.

Ron Paul supporters have a similar problem. Case in point, this billboard ad. It sucks.

"End the war in Iraq" -> should read "Bring our troops home now". Every candidate wants to end the war in iraq, the difference is how long and how much money they want to put into it first.
"Strengthen the Economy" -> again, no substance. What candidate doesnt want to do that. How about mentioning something about how much americans spend on food or healthcare vs the war overseas, and talking about using that money at HOME instead.
"Secure our borders" -> again, no substance. How does it distinguish Paul from others? It doesnt. Just imagine if that ad did not read "Ron Paul" but "Joe Republican" instead (which is actually what people see when they see that billboard). Would you take the message seriously? Would you go home and go to joerepublican2008.com? Hell no. Same with the Ron Paul blimp.

Paul is an amazing candidate. The problem is people are not being told WHY he is an amazing candidate. Yesterday I logged into myspace to find people from New Hampshire to ask them why they arent out voting for Paul. They did not know who he was, or why they should vote for him.

Again, the problem is his message is not going out. 70% of Americans are against the war, there are 5 candidates other than Paul that basically agree on everything and are pro war. Voters should be spreading their vote across these 5, making everyones %s lower and giving Paul a landslide victory (ie, imagine Obamas numbers if Edwards didnt exist) - but this is not whats happening. In other words: no one knows Paul/Pauls message.

My 2 cents. For the love of god, dont just hold up signs saying 'Ron Paul' on the news or on the streets.. hold up signs saying 'bring the troops home' also for example.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[sharedvoice]

Someone send that Youtube link to Ron Paul so he can bring out the fire in him. He needs to act a little more like Mike Gravel.

wtf... are you nuts. Gravel is a kook, nobody takes him serious.

 

[VoluntaryMan]

Hallo
Heres why I think Paul is doing poorly.
When I see him on the media, Paul no longer has the anger and the rage behind him fueling his cause. He really, to me, looks tired - and Im sure he is. Back on the Morton Downey show 20 years ago, Paul kicked everyones ass. His answers were extremely well worded, they were powerful, they were with force, and they got the message across. Case in point http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo . That is an absolutely AMAZING reply, you dont see those anymore. You see a tired old gentleman. If Paul was on those debates, showing emotion, showing rage at the hopeless state this country is in and how badly it needs to change, something will happen. If you calmly and quietly describe your views, no one listens or cares - they think the issue couldnt be that important. I want to see Paul ANGRILY basically tell everyone to WAKE THE FUCK UP (through his message, not verbatim lol). Bring up how the troops have supported Paul more than any other candidate, bring up the value of the dollar overseas, the price of oil before and after the Iraq war, etc etc etc.

His responses do not say what they need to. He HAS to let the people know each and every opportunity he has, EXACTLY what he stands for. For example.. on Leno yesterday when asked about Fox, he says "maybe they didnt want to hear the message".. but he doesnt say what that message is. He hints at it here and there through the interview but he does not mention clearly that 1) He wants to bring home the troops IMMEDIATELY, 2) He wants to abolish the income tax, etc.

On the debate I remember Paul was asked what to do about immigrants, and Paul talks about 'opening the door for the national id card, and we should be careful about that'. But he doesnt not state WHY we need to be careful about that.

Ron Paul supporters have a similar problem. Case in point, this billboard ad. It sucks.

"End the war in Iraq" -> should read "Bring our troops home now". Every candidate wants to end the war in iraq, the difference is how long and how much money they want to put into it first.
"Strengthen the Economy" -> again, no substance. What candidate doesnt want to do that. How about mentioning something about how much americans spend on food or healthcare vs the war overseas, and talking about using that money at HOME instead.
"Secure our borders" -> again, no substance. How does it distinguish Paul from others? It doesnt. Just imagine if that ad did not read "Ron Paul" but "Joe Republican" instead (which is actually what people see when they see that billboard). Would you take the message seriously? Would you go home and go to joerepublican2008.com? Hell no. Same with the Ron Paul blimp.

Paul is an amazing candidate. The problem is people are not being told WHY he is an amazing candidate. Yesterday I logged into myspace to find people from New Hampshire to ask them why they arent out voting for Paul. They did not know who he was, or why they should vote for him.

Again, the problem is his message is not going out. 70% of Americans are against the war, there are 5 candidates other than Paul that basically agree on everything and are pro war. Voters should be spreading their vote across these 5, making everyones %s lower and giving Paul a landslide victory (ie, imagine Obamas numbers if Edwards didnt exist) - but this is not whats happening. In other words: no one knows Paul/Pauls message.

My 2 cents. For the love of god, dont just hold up signs saying 'Ron Paul' on the news or on the streets.. hold up signs saying 'bring the troops home' also for example.

Bravo! You're absolutely correct: we've gotten so caught up in the political gamesmanship, that we've forgot to get the message out. Paul experienced some early success with the puplic, because he made it all about the message, and reserved absolutely no hope of actually winning. But, as soon as that early popularity offered the possibility of actually winning the election, the message got watered down, to counter the resistence from the establishment. He needs to stop listening to his campaign and to any of us who are telling him to tailor his message to a hostile establishment. Fuhq the establishment! Forget the White House. Focus on getting that message as shockingly as possible in as many faces as possible. If the campaign succeeds, it won't because he looks like every other candidate, "except for that anti-war thing." If he loses, it will be because America isn't ready, or because it's too late for America...or maybe because we tried to micromanage a man who would never do that to US. It won't be because it was a bad message, or because he was a bad messenger. Bring us the 1988 Ron Paul. We need him, now. Let himout of his cage, and take off the leash........before it's too late.

 

[myst]

Bravo! You're absolutely correct: we've gotten so caught up in the political gamesmanship, that we've forgot to get the message out. Paul experienced some early success with the puplic, because he made it all about the message, and reserved absolutely no hope of actually winning. But, as soon as that early popularity offered the possibility of actually winning the election, the message got watered down, to counter the resistence from the establishment. He needs to stop listening to his campaign and to any of us who are telling him to tailor his message to a hostile establishment. Fuhq the establishment! Forget the White House. Focus on getting that message as shockingly as possible in as many faces as possible. If the campaign succeeds, it won't because he looks like every other candidate, "except for that anti-war thing." If he loses, it will be because America isn't ready, or because it's too late for America...or maybe because we tried to micromanage a man who would never do that to US. It won't be because it was a bad message, or because he was a bad messenger. Bring us the 1988 Ron Paul. We need him, now. Let himout of his cage, and take off the leash........before it's too late.

 

[hopeful]

Bump

 

[lesslikely]

This is my first post on this forum, but I have been an avid, calm advocate of RP on the myspace forum for about 8 months now. It is imperative when discussing Paul with potential voters not to hurl insults. We are all passionate, and the most effect we will have is on the undecided's and independent voters.

How does it make you feel when you are told you are nuts for voting for Ron Paul? Flying off the handle solves nothing, and your mind has not changed. You just get mad and think whoever told you not to vote for him is nuts, and you are insulted. That's what happens. Work on those who can help us win, and leave the others alone.

We are not crazy and wacked out, but overzealousness can make us look that way, especially about issues like the IRS, the Federal Reserve, 9/11, etc. NO ONE screamed at me about 9/11 or the any of these issues. I'm a naturally curious person, and one thing led to another. However, when I feel like I am put on the defensive on any issue, my inclination is to turn the other cheek and not listen to the messenger.

I promise each and everyone of you...I could NOT have handled ALL of the information on these issues all at once. My knowledge has evolved over the last 8 years, with one thing building to the next. This information shakes the very foundation of all we've been told our ENTIRE lives. We cannot expect to just say it is so, and poof, everyone should "get" it. It is expecting way too much in too short of a time frame.

We should keep it simple: Bring our troops home now. Don't cut taxes and not cut spending. Stop policing the world. Small Federal Government. More State's rights. Individual rights to privacy...etc. We should be espousing RP's voting record; his stand on issues has not wavered since he has been in Washington. If it's not authorized by the Constitution, he either votes "no" or doesn't vote. He has honor and integrity. He doesn't flip flop on issues. While he personally is against abortion, he believes it should be left up to the states to decide. He stands for liberty for each and every individual, regardless of race, religion or sex. McCain has said he is "the most honest person in Washington".

I truly believe if we spread the message in small doses, the good doctor's medicine will be the cure.

 

[myst]

bumpbmp

 

[Rebel Resource]

"Why doesnt someone put you on a diet your a little overweight.."

Thats awesome.

Shit.. that had me smiling for a good minute after I closed the video, but in response to the OP, it's the gameplan at the moment to appeal to the main-main-mainsteam when on TV in particular.

The guys at the campaign are professionals and the stump message is the first thing they have to get right. If you suggest something different to what he's doing now, you're probably wrong.

 

[sharedvoice]

These are parts of the campaign that need to be improved. My concern, however, is how do we get that message from here, to Ron Paul.

Start a local meetup and attend rallies. Your not going to do it here sitting on the toasterbox. duh.

 

[myst]

but i like the toasterbox

 

[Electric Church]

Hallo
Heres why I think Paul is doing poorly.
When I see him on the media, Paul no longer has the anger and the rage behind him fueling his cause. He really, to me, looks tired - and Im sure he is. Back on the Morton Downey show 20 years ago, Paul kicked everyones ass. His answers were extremely well worded, they were powerful, they were with force, and they got the message across. Case in point http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88REf0tjZHo . That is an absolutely AMAZING reply, you dont see those anymore. You see a tired old gentleman. If Paul was on those debates, showing emotion, showing rage at the hopeless state this country is in and how badly it needs to change, something will happen. If you calmly and quietly describe your views, no one listens or cares - they think the issue couldnt be that important. I want to see Paul ANGRILY basically tell everyone to WAKE THE FUCK UP (through his message, not verbatim lol). Bring up how the troops have supported Paul more than any other candidate, bring up the value of the dollar overseas, the price of oil before and after the Iraq war, etc etc etc.

His responses do not say what they need to. He HAS to let the people know each and every opportunity he has, EXACTLY what he stands for. For example.. on Leno yesterday when asked about Fox, he says "maybe they didnt want to hear the message".. but he doesnt say what that message is. He hints at it here and there through the interview but he does not mention clearly that 1) He wants to bring home the troops IMMEDIATELY, 2) He wants to abolish the income tax, etc.

On the debate I remember Paul was asked what to do about immigrants, and Paul talks about 'opening the door for the national id card, and we should be careful about that'. But he doesnt not state WHY we need to be careful about that.

Ron Paul supporters have a similar problem. Case in point, this billboard ad. It sucks.

"End the war in Iraq" -> should read "Bring our troops home now". Every candidate wants to end the war in iraq, the difference is how long and how much money they want to put into it first.
"Strengthen the Economy" -> again, no substance. What candidate doesnt want to do that. How about mentioning something about how much americans spend on food or healthcare vs the war overseas, and talking about using that money at HOME instead.
"Secure our borders" -> again, no substance. How does it distinguish Paul from others? It doesnt. Just imagine if that ad did not read "Ron Paul" but "Joe Republican" instead (which is actually what people see when they see that billboard). Would you take the message seriously? Would you go home and go to joerepublican2008.com? Hell no. Same with the Ron Paul blimp.

Paul is an amazing candidate. The problem is people are not being told WHY he is an amazing candidate. Yesterday I logged into myspace to find people from New Hampshire to ask them why they arent out voting for Paul. They did not know who he was, or why they should vote for him.

Again, the problem is his message is not going out. 70% of Americans are against the war, there are 5 candidates other than Paul that basically agree on everything and are pro war. Voters should be spreading their vote across these 5, making everyones %s lower and giving Paul a landslide victory (ie, imagine Obamas numbers if Edwards didnt exist) - but this is not whats happening. In other words: no one knows Paul/Pauls message.

My 2 cents. For the love of god, dont just hold up signs saying 'Ron Paul' on the news or on the streets.. hold up signs saying 'bring the troops home' also for example.

From one "unbiased Canadian" to another


The reason why Ron Paul is doing so poorly is because his supporters are not getting their votes counted. They are getting ripped off by the criminal establishment.

One ""nonbiased" so called Canadian into the ignore barrel