My reasons why Paul is doing so poorly (from an unbiased Canadian)
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Devil_rules_in_extremes
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I think the original post has some good points, and is solid discussion. Thank you for contributing.
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Most people don't understand when he comes out with "End the IRS" or "End the Federal Reserve." Most people need more information. Everyone we try to win over for Dr. paul thinks he is coo-coo because they just hear these sound bites and he doesn't explain them to people who are hearing this information for the first time.
I admit it sounded odd to me until I did a lot of research. In debates, Dr Paul needs less whiney tone and more facts. Such as, Al Qaeda was ___ number after 9/11, and since the Iraq War is ____ number. These kinds of facts people could understand when hearing this stuff for the first time. Even people who are keen to hear his message are lost in the debates when he states things without proper explanation.
I suggest we email HQ with our input. I don't think it is too late! I am now campaign coordinator for my county in CA. I am in it 'till the end!
I admit it sounded odd to me until I did a lot of research. In debates, Dr Paul needs less whiney tone and more facts. Such as, Al Qaeda was ___ number after 9/11, and since the Iraq War is ____ number. These kinds of facts people could understand when hearing this stuff for the first time. Even people who are keen to hear his message are lost in the debates when he states things without proper explanation.
I suggest we email HQ with our input. I don't think it is too late! I am now campaign coordinator for my county in CA. I am in it 'till the end!
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myst, great post. I would love if a younger more ferocious version of Ron Paul were running. He is hilarious and fired up in that video. His level of anger surely makes a difference in getting his message out.
I've felt that this was the case for quite a while now. The last significant moment in which I felt there was any noticeable fire burning in Ron Paul, it was during his direct argument with Huckabee. You remember, the one where he logically laid Huckabee's argument of "honor" to rest.
I think that people with a considerable amount of intellect and awareness are in alignment with Ron Paul's views. His positions are fine as they are. He can depend on the people who will take time to dig deeper (who care at all for politics), to vote for him. As someone else already said, its the American Idol crowd that we're fighting for now. I agree that he must repeatedly reiterate his message so that new viewers may get a basic understanding of what he stands for when they're watching. Personally, as I believe might be the same case for some of you, it would mind boggle me if people had a clear understanding of Ron Paul and still chose to vote against him. It definitely must be that something simply doesn't click.
The op is absolutely right in that the delivery of the message needs to be marketed correctly and more descriptively. As much as I hate to say it, the campaign may have to direct its campaign towards a 14 year old's intellectual capacity. I don't want to say that my fellow citizens are dumb, but recent polls (41% war opposition voting for McCain...?) leave me no choice. As someone else already stated, advertisements, and Ron Paul himself, need to do a better job with getting the message clearly understood by everyone.
Ron definitely needs to be more aggressive. As the only candidate on the republican platform advocating for the removal of the troops in Iraq, among other countries and other issues, he has to put in extra work to counter the positions of his counterparts. He basically has to shine just as bright as, if not more than, everyone else fighting for the republican nod...combined.
As far as calling out other candidates, I see no problems with that as long as he does it strategically. Paul's strong point is the Constitution, which is undoubtedly gives him some leverage. With his record, I see no reason why he shouldn't use it to his advantage. To us who support him, he kind of comes off as a wise man among children. If he can act on that and further emphasize his position as such, it would really help the campaign.
These are parts of the campaign that need to be improved. My concern, however, is how do we get that message from here, to Ron Paul.
I think that people with a considerable amount of intellect and awareness are in alignment with Ron Paul's views. His positions are fine as they are. He can depend on the people who will take time to dig deeper (who care at all for politics), to vote for him. As someone else already said, its the American Idol crowd that we're fighting for now. I agree that he must repeatedly reiterate his message so that new viewers may get a basic understanding of what he stands for when they're watching. Personally, as I believe might be the same case for some of you, it would mind boggle me if people had a clear understanding of Ron Paul and still chose to vote against him. It definitely must be that something simply doesn't click.
The op is absolutely right in that the delivery of the message needs to be marketed correctly and more descriptively. As much as I hate to say it, the campaign may have to direct its campaign towards a 14 year old's intellectual capacity. I don't want to say that my fellow citizens are dumb, but recent polls (41% war opposition voting for McCain...?) leave me no choice. As someone else already stated, advertisements, and Ron Paul himself, need to do a better job with getting the message clearly understood by everyone.
Ron definitely needs to be more aggressive. As the only candidate on the republican platform advocating for the removal of the troops in Iraq, among other countries and other issues, he has to put in extra work to counter the positions of his counterparts. He basically has to shine just as bright as, if not more than, everyone else fighting for the republican nod...combined.
As far as calling out other candidates, I see no problems with that as long as he does it strategically. Paul's strong point is the Constitution, which is undoubtedly gives him some leverage. With his record, I see no reason why he shouldn't use it to his advantage. To us who support him, he kind of comes off as a wise man among children. If he can act on that and further emphasize his position as such, it would really help the campaign.
These are parts of the campaign that need to be improved. My concern, however, is how do we get that message from here, to Ron Paul.
No doubts after five pages and not a single Troll call, I am beginning to see some sense has finally entered the conversation. I am seeing a very good analysis and good constructive criticism especially of HQ semi-failures in Iowa and now a full-fledged failure NH. Perhaps, now, Ron Paul himself should be scrutinized. We need to convince Ron Paul to become seriously assertive and to grab hold of that fire we have all seen before. I think, the only way this will happen is make him earn it. TANSTAAFL
He really needs to become more assertive, angrier and to talk those bullet points more effectively. If I can see him at least once on national TV get angry and tell it the way it is <b>I'll pledge to send him $100.00</b> or more if he would duke it out with John McCain and put him in his rightful place on national TV! We're losing the game here folks, no more nice unassertive quite gentle doctor routine, my friends its over for us if Ron Paul fails to channel this inner anger, something we all know and have experienced. He needs to take them on mano a mano!
I'd like to see him put Ghoulani in his place (again) as it is the ONLY way our man is going to get the votes he needs to galvanize us and possibly win this election and even if he doesn't we'll know we've got a group of thousands out there who are willing to keep this battle going. Its only the beginning but Ron Paul's handlers should all be fired and Ron Paul himself needs to let that fire in his soul find a target. Its time for Ron Paul to take some action like he has never done before. Lets hope we as a group can convince him to do something assertive and maybe withholding the money is the way to get his attention. But, who knows, perhaps the die is already cast and this is all moot. I hope not, for us, the movement and America depends on Ron Paul and we've got to communicate to him he MUST do something, he must change direction FAST or all is lost including the liberty movement for the next election!
He really needs to become more assertive, angrier and to talk those bullet points more effectively. If I can see him at least once on national TV get angry and tell it the way it is <b>I'll pledge to send him $100.00</b> or more if he would duke it out with John McCain and put him in his rightful place on national TV! We're losing the game here folks, no more nice unassertive quite gentle doctor routine, my friends its over for us if Ron Paul fails to channel this inner anger, something we all know and have experienced. He needs to take them on mano a mano!
I'd like to see him put Ghoulani in his place (again) as it is the ONLY way our man is going to get the votes he needs to galvanize us and possibly win this election and even if he doesn't we'll know we've got a group of thousands out there who are willing to keep this battle going. Its only the beginning but Ron Paul's handlers should all be fired and Ron Paul himself needs to let that fire in his soul find a target. Its time for Ron Paul to take some action like he has never done before. Lets hope we as a group can convince him to do something assertive and maybe withholding the money is the way to get his attention. But, who knows, perhaps the die is already cast and this is all moot. I hope not, for us, the movement and America depends on Ron Paul and we've got to communicate to him he MUST do something, he must change direction FAST or all is lost including the liberty movement for the next election!
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Problem is, to be honest, that instead of holding both "Bring the troops home!" signs with "Ron Paul!" signs, some supporters are waving "911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!" signs with "Ron Paul!" signs.
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Remember the movie Hook with Robin Williams? They had to make him remember that he is Peter Pan and he could fly and all that shit. Well we have to make Ron remember the Ron Paul of 1988 and bring back that fire.
Damn I wish Ron was 20 years younger, f**k!
Damn I wish Ron was 20 years younger, f**k!
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One major reason why i support Ron Paul is because he is calm and assertive and not raging and out of control like the other candidates. If he were otherwise I would think twice.
To paraphrase Cesar Millan, the Dog Whisperer, pack leaders in nature are calm and assertive because animals instinctively know who to follow to ensure their survival. Man is the only animal that follows unstable pack leaders.
To paraphrase Cesar Millan, the Dog Whisperer, pack leaders in nature are calm and assertive because animals instinctively know who to follow to ensure their survival. Man is the only animal that follows unstable pack leaders.
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On one hand, seeing Ron get pissed off in that video was great! On the other hand, watching the recent debate on ABC, I thought what set him apart from the rest of those tools was his composure and respectful nature. While the rest were snickering, and talking over him the whole time like juveniles.
So I can see both sides.
So I can see both sides.
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I agree with the Canadian. That being said I think the grassroots was very full of it self. It turned me off tremendously. A Blimp? It ended up being a massive sign wave that was hundredes of thousands of dollars wasted getting no votes. We never tried to make anything catchy or flashing to help the message penetrate to people who think less. We needed more talking points and everyone really needed to research the stances they were defending. Overal the message spreading isn't over so there is still time to make sure people are understanding the purpose of the message and the ultimate goal to be achieved in the next 4 years.
To paraphrase reality, nice guys finish last
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He's old and I really don't think he really honestly wants to be president, rather he is obligated to by virtue of the current state of affairs and the lack of respect/adherence to the constitution. I'm sure that for many years he would have rather quit politics all together.
Even if he does horribly in this election, (I hope he runs as a 3rd party to keep doing what he can to spread his message), I think he's opened up the doors for many libertarians and motivated many apathetic Americans to support and continue his cause. Even if he doesn't win. There is still hope for America and Ron Paul is part of it.
As Samuel Adams said:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds. "
The fire went out long ago. Ron Paul is a spark, we must continue to support him, and we must continue the message of individual liberty, in all spheres, even after him.
Even if he does horribly in this election, (I hope he runs as a 3rd party to keep doing what he can to spread his message), I think he's opened up the doors for many libertarians and motivated many apathetic Americans to support and continue his cause. Even if he doesn't win. There is still hope for America and Ron Paul is part of it.
As Samuel Adams said:
"It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds. "
The fire went out long ago. Ron Paul is a spark, we must continue to support him, and we must continue the message of individual liberty, in all spheres, even after him.
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Graduate from Preacher's School... you get the Silver Tongued Devil Award
Marketing is everything
Demographics are everything
Strategy is everything
SPIN is everything
Image is everything
so many pieces to the puzzle you have to put together for a complete candidate. THat's where the Campaign Directors, Professional, Marketers, Advisers, Consultants, and PR firms put it all together.
This morning I commented when RP was interviewed on CNN by Greenspan wife... the chair he was sitting in made he look half the size of the woman in the screen shots... I was like... "Who's watching over RP and Managing his image in public?"... that was ridiculous to the point of noone managing anything about RP...
Marketing is everything
Demographics are everything
Strategy is everything
SPIN is everything
Image is everything
so many pieces to the puzzle you have to put together for a complete candidate. THat's where the Campaign Directors, Professional, Marketers, Advisers, Consultants, and PR firms put it all together.
This morning I commented when RP was interviewed on CNN by Greenspan wife... the chair he was sitting in made he look half the size of the woman in the screen shots... I was like... "Who's watching over RP and Managing his image in public?"... that was ridiculous to the point of noone managing anything about RP...
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How about we take the gloves off and run commercials like this in Nevada and Florida:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U39zae4IxUA
I think at times RP still shows he has the fire going as good as he ever did 20 years ago.
His schooling of Laura Ingraham today was pretty damn good:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jJXRa2n6Fe4
But even in this exchange with Ingraham, he seems to not have the killer instinct to really close the deal. Ingraham just ignored every one of RP's excellent points. RP should always point this out and clearly explain to the audience that his opponents are completely incapable of answering his questions or addressing his points. And then he should keep insisting that his opponents answer his questions.
A great example was in the ABC debate where he was on fire with his "What if China did the same thing to us that we do to the middle east?" He demanded that Romney answer the question 2 or 3 times. But then he backed off and let Romney change the subject and eventually responded to the changed subject instead of beating Romney over the head with THE GOLDEN RULE. We've got the Golden Rule on our side!! RP must beat them over the head with it!
This is the true spirit of Ron Paul. Our slogan shouldn't be "Bring the Troops Home" it should be "What if China did the same thing to us that we do to the Muslim nations"
Let's spend the rest of the 20 million and the next 20 million on the Golden Rule instead of "Secure the Borders."
Its too bad we didn't learn this lesson before NH, where we could have attracted Independent voters.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U39zae4IxUA
I think at times RP still shows he has the fire going as good as he ever did 20 years ago.
His schooling of Laura Ingraham today was pretty damn good:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jJXRa2n6Fe4
But even in this exchange with Ingraham, he seems to not have the killer instinct to really close the deal. Ingraham just ignored every one of RP's excellent points. RP should always point this out and clearly explain to the audience that his opponents are completely incapable of answering his questions or addressing his points. And then he should keep insisting that his opponents answer his questions.
A great example was in the ABC debate where he was on fire with his "What if China did the same thing to us that we do to the middle east?" He demanded that Romney answer the question 2 or 3 times. But then he backed off and let Romney change the subject and eventually responded to the changed subject instead of beating Romney over the head with THE GOLDEN RULE. We've got the Golden Rule on our side!! RP must beat them over the head with it!
This is the true spirit of Ron Paul. Our slogan shouldn't be "Bring the Troops Home" it should be "What if China did the same thing to us that we do to the Muslim nations"
Let's spend the rest of the 20 million and the next 20 million on the Golden Rule instead of "Secure the Borders."
Its too bad we didn't learn this lesson before NH, where we could have attracted Independent voters.
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