Musk Advocates to Double H-1B Visas

[Swordsmyth]

Should it be illegal for everyone to hire foreigners, or just business owners?

For example if you hire a mexican here illegally to cut your grass, should that be a crime? What would the penalty be?

If a foreigner comes in legally through the regular immigration quota (which should be very small) then anyone may hire him.
It should be illegal to import foreigners specifically to undermine Americans.
And in this case traitors imported a foreign agent whose specific goal was to steal jobs from better qualified whites and give them to his unqualified racial brethren.

 

[Swordsmyth]

What do you propose that does not result in hordes of third world brown goo eating out the core of this nation and turning this into a rape and shi+ in the street culture like western Europe?

That's what they want.
Some because they hate America and Americans, others because they can make a quick buck on it.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Lack of a right to keep and bear arms, and lack of property rights.

And they lack those because a culture that doesn't care for them is dominant there.
You are trying to import that culture here.

 

[Swordsmyth]

But don't H1Bs pay taxes?

And wouldn't we need to deport everyone that doesn't pay taxes to be logically consistent?

1 so, you are taking money from the common man and giving it to government.

2 we should deport every foreigner that doesn't pay taxes if they or some private person don't provide for their own needs.
We should deport every foreigner that gets one penny of government money whether they pay taxes or not.

 

[Swordsmyth]

So when the bubble pops and businesses are on life support, you think the answer is for them to pay more for their employees?

You're not considering the fact that companies that are losing money GO OUT OF BUSINESS!!! You guys all act like that's impossible.

The market will sort it out.
And the working and middle classes will regain some of the share of the pie they've been cheated out of for multiple generations.

 

[WarriorLiberty]

Red flag, rather.

What have the GOP done against immigration while Bush was in office for years?

 

[Swordsmyth]

I'll edit to clarify -- I don't mean to say you are promoting it, just that promoting it doesn't work because it starts from some correct insights (social/cultural degeneration, etc.) and then goes to an extreme that is obviously wrong. That's essentially what you're doing... starting from some correct insights and then going to an extreme that is obviously wrong in an attempt to shift the Overton window. But when you overshoot, you just end up having no impact at all or becoming a villain of history, as the Nazis did.

Nonsense, it is obviously right, and nothing like the NAZIs.
I AM promoting an immigration freeze for at least 20 years, I'm not just shifting the window.

OK, now that's a specific tangible claim we can argue about. It is not at all obvious that zero economic immigration is in America's interests. I will grant that current levels are obviously not in our interests. But I also think it's a tough case to make that zero economic immigration is the only option that can possibly be in America's interests. Hiring even one worker from overseas and allowing them to apply to immigrate and naturalize while working here is automatically and necessarily harmful to our interests? I just don't see that.

It's just as obvious as replacing hiring servants with healthy exercise.

Once again, the net effect of this is that you're basically saying, "Only try to immigrate to America if you're rich. Otherwise, we're not interested." H1B allows young, middle-class "up-and-comers" to be able to immigrate... exactly the demographic we would want to immigrate, rather than rusty old heiresses with nothing to contribute except they can afford to live the high life here while waiting to die, while keeping their fortune safely overseas. This is the kind of immigration policy of Japan. How's that working out for them? (Graying population, imminent population collapse, massive silent cultural destruction, etc.)

If the regular immigration system is biased then fix that.
And Japan's immigration policy is working out well for them, the only reason they still have a Japanese population and culture is because they don't allow much immigration.
Their problems are caused by their economic central planning that uses everything but immigration (so far) to suppress the working and middle classes and steal all the wealth for the top .1-1%.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Of course not, but there are obviously some in MAGA who are vastly overestimating Trump's mandate. Yes, Trump has a mandate, but that mandate is about the things that the Biden administration was doing particularly wrong. There were too many H1Bs during Trump 45 as well as during Biden. So, it's a problem that needs to be fixed, but let's not act like it's THE issue that formed Trumps 2024 mandate. And that's important, because if the Project 2025 types are allowed to hijack the actual Trump mandate and substitute their own little pet wish-lists, the whole mandate itself will be lost, and 2028 will just be another pendulum-swing back to the Obama-wing of US politics.

False.
That mandate is huge and is about 2016 Trump who promised to end H1Bs.
Trump got more votes in 2020 than in 2016, Biden just manufactured tens of millions of votes.
Kamala lost because they couldn't manufacture enough this time, but they still manufactured a huge number.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Would you allow businesses to outsource as long as no one crossed the border?

Sure, if they don't mind paying a large tariff to get goods into our country.

 

[Swordsmyth]

America: People moving in and out of the country for over a century, nobody really cares

No one:

The Left: Let's use "diversity" as a cover for demographic warfare and bring in a flood of illegal aliens to destroy American culture and hijack the political system.

The Right: Let's not talk about what the Left is really up to behind the scenes at all because we're a bunch of fraidy cats and they might call us "cOnTHpIrAthY THeoRiTHs". Instead, let's use their insane tyranny as a pretext for our own insane tyranny where we completely lock down the borders, nothing and no one goes in or out.

Both wings are a bunch of tyrants. And at least the Left has the honesty to not try to pretend to be pro-freedom.

Ron Paul warned us about border fences. Yes, we need a strong border. But if you're building fences, that's a sign that something has gone deeply, deeply wrong in your country, and the border invasion is just a symptom of that. Stop treating symptoms, start addressing the actual problems...

False, everyone cared, that's why Coolidge imposed tight quotas that only allowed a trickle of immigration from culturally compatible countries.
Immigration has been an issue since Independence, and it has been our enemies that keep trying to flood immigrants in to change the country.

 

[ClaytonB]

The actual problem has nothing to do with the left, the right, immigration, or the border.

The actual problem has to do with the aggressive prohibition of secession, and our docile ineffectualness in doing anything about it.

If you want to talk about root problems, there you go.

Everything else is just icing on the slavery cake.

While I think that the Federal government must never be beyond the threat of secession (that is, reconstitution through a convention of the States, which is logically equivalent), I don't think that secession would have solved our problems in 1861, nor would it today. The problem is the word you used: slavery. Not lack of secession. Just slavery. The problem that has arisen in the US since 1865 is that the word "slavery" was redefined by the word-sorcerers as something that only happens to black people, involving whips and chains, and so on. The war between the North and South was not actually over whether to do slavery but, rather, how to do slavery. Southern slavery was at least honest -- we are masters, and you are slaves. Today, we all live under the Northern slavery, which uses golden manacles instead of chains, and "social norms" (fashion, opinion, etc.) instead of whips. And it's definitely not racist, it's an equal-opportunity enslaver of all who are not part of The Club. Northern slavery is far more parasitic and creates far more total human suffering than Southern slavery ever could have. The master can only afford to employ so many hands to beat his slaves. The central bank has infinity cash with which it has created a worldwide slave-matrix, inside which we all now live. "A prison you cannot taste, touch or see -- a prison for your mind." Even if you break out of this Matrix, you cannot actually escape, because the Agents are not machines, they're your fellow human-beings who have been converted into mindless remote-control zombies. Hence cars plowing into holiday parades and guns shooting up schools. In an ironic sense, the lying headlines spin reality all the way 360 degrees around so that they're technically true. Might as well just arrest the car and impound the gun, the "operator" is effectively just a robot anyway...

 

[ClaytonB]

What have the GOP done against immigration while Bush was in office for years?

I can't stand the GOP. MAGA seems to be somewhat OK when it gets its act together, but the GOP are a bunch of lying snakes. Again, there might be some good people in the GOP that are the exception to the rule (especially on the local level), but those who are actually controlling it at the top are using it for even greater evil than they can accomplish through the Dems, because the Dems are at least honest that they are godless heathens, while those who control the GOP put on an act of being good little Sunday church Christians, while worshiping Molech in secret.

 

[TheTexan]

I don't think that secession would have solved our problems in 1861, nor would it today.

Besides perhaps climate issues, there isn't a political problem on this planet that can't be solved through secession.

By the same token, the global prohibition of secession, ever since Lincoln's aggression, has had profoundly negative impacts on the course history has taken since. Even the existence of the Fed is perhaps a consequence of Lincoln's aggression. The constant growth of centralized power is only possible because we have been placed under complete and total domination and are not allowed recourse via secession.

The problem is the word you used: slavery. Not lack of secession.

These are synonyms. I would define slavery as the use of force to prohibit the termination of a relationship, e.g. secession.

The war between the North and South was not actually over whether to do slavery but, rather, how to do slavery. Southern slavery was at least honest -- we are masters, and you are slaves. Today, we all live under the Northern slavery, which uses golden manacles instead of chains, and "social norms" (fashion, opinion, etc.) instead of whips.

This is correct, and this conditioning has profound impacts on a person's psyche. They become subservient and docile, powerless, and reliant on their masters. This gets back to what I was saying above about the profoundly negative impacts that Lincoln's standard of aggression has set.

Would the Fed have been allowed to exist, or be as powerful as it is today, if we had retained our dignity and strengths of character? Would there have been noone to say, that it's unacceptable and they won't participate in such a scheme?

Hence cars plowing into holiday parades and guns shooting up schools. In an ironic sense, the lying headlines spin reality all the way 360 degrees around so that they're technically true. Might as well just arrest the car and impound the gun, the "operator" is effectively just a robot anyway...

Indeed, these are predictable consequences of living your entire life in a cage.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Vivek's Critique of American Culture and the Debate Over H-1B Visas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghm2-UrOp1Q
{Robert Murphy | 02 January 2025}

The Bob Murphy Show: Episode 373

Adam Haman joins Bob to discuss the recent “civil war” on the right over the H-1B visa program, with a focus on Vivek Ramaswamy’s critique of American culture.

Mentioned in the Episode and Other Links of Interest:

• The YouTube version of this episode. [see below - OB]
• Vivek Ramaswamy’s controversial tweet on US culture. [see this post - OB]
• Robert Sterling’s stats on the H-1B program.
• An EPI study (based on 2019 data) of the H-1B program.
• The Haman Nature page.
• Help support the Bob Murphy Show.

[Audio (mp3): https://podcasts.captivate.fm/media...42e7c/BMS-Ep-373-xover-H1B-visa-converted.mp3]

 

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H1B boycott list.

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[Invisible Man]

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First of all, Fuentes didn't even support Trump in 2024.

And what do you expect the Republican party to do? Embrace people like Nick Fuentes and tell the other 99% of the country, and 90+% of Trump voters who aren't white nationalists that this is what they are?

 

[Madison320]

1 so, you are taking money from the common man and giving it to government.

2 we should deport every foreigner that doesn't pay taxes if they or some private person don't provide for their own needs.
We should deport every foreigner that gets one penny of government money whether they pay taxes or not.

Sorry I wasn't clear. I'm saying if you want to be logically consistent you need to deport any current us citizen who is not paying taxes. They would be more of a burden than an H1B who is paying taxes.

 

[Madison320]

What do taxes have to do with something that is currently in short supply, say housing? Supply and demand. Increase the population, increase the demand for all of those things.

You're making the broken window fallacy and not looking at both sides of the economic equation.

By hiring cheaper workers you increase productivity which increases supply which brings down prices. Lower prices are left out of your equation.

And besides that I'm against illegal immigration which is the vast majority of the increase in population. I'm guessing H1Bs are a rounding error compared to illegal immigration.

The best libertarian idea I've heard is where you only allow immigrants that are invited and sponsored by existing citizens. So you wouldn't allow any generic immigration at all.

 

[Invisible Man]

You're making the broken window fallacy and not looking at both sides of the economic equation.

Not only that, he's missing how the very factor he brings up illustrates how the market itself has a mechanism to allocate access to scarce goods, i.e. price. It shouldn't be the government deciding how they are allocated. As cost of living here goes up, the attractiveness of coming to America will go down, until it levels off at the right amount as determined by the market.