Musk Advocates to Double H-1B Visas

I can't believe the Indian and the South African would advocate for policies that destroy American identity, culture and heritage. Even Vance claims his Indian wife is just as by golly American as my family who have been here for over 300 years.

These people would happily destroy an entire people to move up a number on a chart .01%. Evil.
 
I can't believe the Indian and the South African would advocate for policies that destroy American identity, culture and heritage. Even Vance claims his Indian wife is just as by golly American as my family who have been here for over 300 years.

These people would happily destroy an entire people to move up a number on a chart .01%. Evil.

America is not an economic zone nor a game of football.
 
I can't believe the Indian and the South African would advocate for policies that destroy American identity, culture and heritage. Even Vance claims his Indian wife is just as by golly American as my family who have been here for over 300 years.

These people would happily destroy an entire people to move up a number on a chart .01%. Evil.

American culture. Like being the global leader in porn.
 
Can you name any billionaires from previous administrations' cabinets?

Even in the case of the administration members who are in single-digit million dollar poverty, their political benefactors are tech bros with the inclinations I described.

Considering the sales pitch of the Democrats, there is probably a reason that the leftist billionaires stay behind the scenes.

And I did notice that the leftist media has been going on about "billionaires" related to Trump. Standard hypocritical class warfare. Eat the rich! (except Nancy Pelosi, that old nag has turned).

 
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I don't really know much about the H-1B issue but all I gotta say is I don't have a problem with Indian people or Hinduism which I'm pretty sure teaches peace just as much as any other religion. And I'm not afraid about Indian people trying to remove indoor plumbing from our society or whatever the hell the complaint is here. Nor do I care how long my family has been here cuz if anyone should have a claim to this land it's the Native Americans who have already been here for thousands of years. Usha Vance is just as American as anyone else in my book and I don't even know why she is being brought up.
 
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Non-Hyphenated American @NHAunleashed

The Indian H1B visa quasi monopoly is much worse than you think.

India used to be a bunch of warring kingdoms and has about 30 languages with thousands of dialects.

Almost all the tech bro mafia types are from southern India.

But wait it gets worse

In the south there are about 6 separate languages and the original Indian tech mafia came from Hyderabad where they speak TELGU

Then Bangalore got in the act where they speak KANNADA

Kerala was a late entry at the lower end of the skills and they speak MALYALAM

Same with Chennai where they speak TAMIL

If you don’t speak the right southern language you don’t have a chance if the Indian interviewing you speaks a different language.

If you’re from the north you may as well be white when it comes to dealing with the Indian tech mafia

But wait there is more

You speak the right language but that may not be enough.

There are now companies where the hiring manager went to a certain college in India in the south and they only want other people from there.

That’s the level of discrimination and this is NO exaggeration.

Almost all of these people don’t want to assimilate and become Americans and while some may have high end skills most are pedestrian and plenty of Americans can do these jobs.
 
I don't really know much about the H-1B issue but all I gotta say is I don't have a problem with Indian people or Hinduism which I'm pretty sure teaches peace just as much as any other religion. And I'm not afraid about Indian people trying to remove indoor plumbing from our society or whatever the hell the complaint is here. Nor do I care how long my family has been here cuz if anyone should have a claim to this land it's the Native Americans who have already been here for thousands of years. Usha Vance is just as American as anyone else in my book and I don't even know why she is being brought up.


I think the open border policy, and what seems like an anti-White agenda, has turned us into a bunch of protectionist racists.

And probably because we're presuming an added bias in pro-India immigration policies based on the ethnicity of the people now in power.

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I don't really know much about the H-1B issue but all I gotta say is I don't have a problem with Indian people or Hinduism which I'm pretty sure teaches peace just as much as any other religion. And I'm not afraid about Indian people trying to remove indoor plumbing from our society or whatever the hell the complaint is here. Nor do I care how long my family has been here cuz if anyone should have a claim to this land it's the Native Americans who have already been here for thousands of years. Usha Vance is just as American as anyone else in my book and I don't even know why she is being brought up.

I think the open border policy, and what seems like an anti-White agenda, has turned us into a bunch of protectionist racists.

And probably because we're presuming an added bias in pro-India immigration policies based on the ethnicity of the people now in power.

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There is a certain amount of low quality, derogatory gross generalizations flying around out there. Why focus on them?

But I am adamantly opposed to attempts to "cancel" debate with cries of "racism".


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Why don't we just get it over with and nationalize all corporations in the US?

We're already telling them:

-Who they can hire.

-How much they can pay.

-Who they can sell to.

-What kinds of calendars they can hang on their walls.

-How long employee breaks have to be.

mulitply those by another thousand and you'll be close to reality.

And by the way the govt gets about 99% of the profits. The owners get the scraps.
 
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Absolutely... this shit has been going on for decades. Enough. Just ask any of us boomers who remember what it was like in the 80's before all this started.

New college grads with computer science degrees should be prioritized over H1B's (most of whom have mediocre skills). Many of my daughter's friends who graduated last spring with computer science degrees are still searching for jobs -- most can't even get an interview. My blood boils when I see what's happening to our new college grads.

Here's what it was like when I graduated in 1981.... My degree is in computer science, had excellent grades from a small SUNY school in upstate NY. Did a semester internship at Kodak (ONLY place I ever encountered mysogny in my 35+ yrs in tech). Didn't learn anything at Kodak -- pure waste of time but helped my resume.

And my degree was done 100% on punch cards. Bet most of you have never even seen a punch card reader, let alone used one. Imagine having to write code that you only get 10-20 tries to get both the syntax and the logic right. Computer time was expensive and it took time to run those punch cards through so you were limited in the number of runs to get it right.

Companies came to our campus, interviewed and then flew us out for on-site interviews. I had offers in CA, PA, DC, NY and MA by the time I graduated. Went to work in CA for HP and then was recruited a year later by my boss's boss to a start-up. Five years there with an amazing team (company didn't make it but I learned an immense amount). From there I worked the rest of my career as an independent consultant (when you could still do that and didn't have to always go through a bigger vendor). Once I had those relationships I was able to avoid working through a broker. Luckily I had those in place and had a pretty specialized niche before the H1B wave started. I worked with hundreds of H1Bs over the years -- most were mediocre at best -- I don't remember any who were truly exceptional talent. None that even came close to the American teams I worked with in the 80's.

Fast forward to the late 90's. H1B visas in full swing and now my software engineer husband who I met at that start-up can't find a job. Brilliant, hard worker, would have worked for far under what he was worth. He just loved to code. Couldn't even get an interview. Especially if it's a company using H1B's. His chances of getting an interview drop to virtully zero if the hiring manager was Indian. Incredibly demoralizing.

We finally moved to NC in 2005 so that he could find work. Landed a great job at Wells doing what he loved until he retired in 2016, and then he kept coding for free helping non profits and small family businesses until he passed away in 2018.

Many very talented programmers just gave up during the 2000's when competition with the H1Bs made it too hard to find work.

So, for this boomer, it's very personal. I've been watching what the H1B program has done to Americans for decades (and if you know me IRL, you've heard me bitch about this obnoxiously for that long too).

Stop the H1B program. Stop telling us that they have some magical specialized skills. They don't. They never have. And they generally discriminate against hiring Americans once they are in hiring positions.

Prioritize the talented Americans who are looking for work in tech. Prioritize the new college grads -- most of them are excited by the field and want to work hard.
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If you are going to let people come they should be the brightest.

Hard disagree.

The brightest that are coming from shithole countries should be staying put and taking the highest paying jobs THERE. They should be living their best life there, which, no matter where you are in the world, is at this point pretty good.
If they want to get a civic consciousness about it, they should take responsibility for the shithole they grew up in and fix it.

The "brightest" in these other countries are just as lazy as Americans are. The fact is, they don't want to put the effort into fixing up their country. They want to get out, and move to America, and raise kids here who can enjoy the fact that people they're not related to fixed up this place well prior to them coming.

But as I said above - they're not living a bad life there. We're not talking about poors. We're talking about people who had servants back home, you know. I can't tell you how many people I've met in IT who had to adjust to doing their own laundry when they came to the US. And most of them are so fabulously wealthy back home that they actually do have the means to buy houses in their 20s here. I mean sure they still get in the hole for seven figures in the process and probably have to have their parents living there too, but they have a small fortune from their family and a master's degree and a full ticket courtesy American tech companies and they can make it happen. And they're going to set up their own ethnic enclaves here but unlike 100 years ago, it's never going to integrate.

I do not want those people. They are not the people Emma Lazarus was talking about.
I want the people who were doing their laundry.
I want the people who aren't just leveraging their position at home to advance a notch on the social ladder by moving to a place where people don't shit in the streets.
I want people who understand that when you come here you're giving it all up. You're going to work your ass off and at the end of all that work you're going to be an American.
 
Also, on the topic of H1B holders:
All the tech giants are tacitly admitting that they are 100% committed to at all costs avoiding hiring people and training them on the job.

When I got into tech 24 years ago I had some college courses under my belt but certainly not a Master's. I got a tech job just based on the fact that they really needed people and I was there and I interviewed pretty well. I got in on a 90 day trial period and proved to them that I had what it took to do the job. Within 1 year I was closing more tickets than anyone on the team. Within 2 years I had taught myself C and was rewriting code.

There were a few dozen other examples of that happening back then, people who launched their IT careers with little more than a community college certificate under their belts. Companies still existed that knew if they took a shot on some of the applicants they could be molded into great employees.

That does not exist anymore. Companies aren't looking for employees. They're looking for interchangeable parts. Vivek and Elon and even Nicole Shanahan have all said exactly this in this discussion. Now kudos to them for figuring out how to achieve max profitability, I guess - but that leads directly to the other thing all three of them are bitching about - not being able to find the parts they're looking for.

And everyone here, even Antifederalist, has ordered parts from China at this point. When you're talking about hardware or tools, if America isn't selling what you need, you grit your teeth and you cuss out Amazon for having a busted ass search but after you find your Chinese crap part you order it and you go on with life. We don't stop and think about trying to change the situation, and we certainly don't entertain the idea of making our own bolt unless there's truly no other option. It's just the reality of trying to get shit done today.

That's what all these tech giants are doing - trying to get shit done. They know the Orient has a relatively limitless supply of human parts and they know it's way more economical to draw from a pool of 3 billion parts in a bin and find the one that fits the machine they are working on, than it is to work with the 300 million parts bin and make one of those parts do what they need.
None of the tech giants, not one of them, is stopping to think about how they're contributing to the late stage societal collapse we're in. I don't think anyone has the guts - even if they had the opportunity, which is unlikely - to stand in front of them and say "Hey, could you maybe treat people like, I don't know, people? Could you not be a robot for half a second and realize these are human lives we're talking about?"
 
There are probably very few, if any, people on this board who have worked with more people on H-1B visas, than myself. Especially in the tech consulting field.

I can tell you, categorically, that they are not "highly skilled". Their skills are consistently mediocre. Basically just good enough to do the job (albeit, poorly).

Consulting companies, like the one I worked for, use H1B's (and foreign workers in general), because they use a blended rate. The way this works is that we tell the client that they'll get 30 consultants for an average of $X each. The team is basically 27 offshore foreign workers who get paid like shit, and this is used to balance the cost of the 3 Americans who get paid very well.

The only reason this arrangement even works at all is because the 3 Americans usually work 60-70 hour weeks desperately trying to keep the project afloat, which the low-to-moderately skilled foreign workers make very challenging to do.

This often results in a low quality final product, which is why some clients insist on some fraction (or all) being onshore. This is where H1B's come into play. The foreigners aren't brought here on H1B's because of their immense skillsets, they are brought here to drive the down the blended rate, while still being onshore.
 
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