Multiculturalism in Europe. The Norwegian "Awakening"

[wannaberocker]

India seems to be doing fine with different cultures, religions -

Religion not stated -----727,588 0.1%
Bahá'ís-------------------1 953 112 0.18%
Jains---------------------4,225,053 0.4%
Others-------------------4,686,588 0.32%
Buddhists----------------7,955,207 0.8%
Sikhs---------------------19,215,730 1.9%
Christians----------------24,080,016 2.3%
Muslims------------------138,188,240 13.4%
Hindus--------------------827,578,868 80.5%
All religions--------------1,028,610,328 100.00%

India does not believe in multi cultalism. In India nationalism is put before religion. But that is not to say that india is violance free, only last week mumbai was attacked again with 3 bombs by an islamic group. There are other small scales cases of religious violance in some parts of India.

 

[wannaberocker]

At the end of the day multiculturalism is an issue in europe. At the end of it multiculturalism is not a problem created by islam or muslims. Its a problem created by europeans themselves. Instead of allowing the immigrant population to mix into the european culture. The european multiculturalism centered mindset has encouraged the immigrant muslim population to become isolated. Now segements of the muslim population in europe still practice rules and regulations that they braught over from the old country. Rules and regulations that directly conflict with the rules and regulations of the countries they live in. At the end of the day i dont really care about this guy and his crazy ramblings or thoughts. But i still think europe is heading towards a difficult time economically and culturally.

 

[Jace]

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[pcosmar]

At the end of the day multiculturalism is an issue in europe. At the end of it multiculturalism is not a problem created by islam or muslims. Its a problem created by europeans themselves. Instead of allowing the immigrant population to mix into the european culture. The european multiculturalism centered mindset has encouraged the immigrant muslim population to become isolated. Now segements of the muslim population in europe still practice rules and regulations that they braught over from the old country. Rules and regulations that directly conflict with the rules and regulations of the countries they live in. At the end of the day i dont really care about this guy and his crazy ramblings or thoughts. But i still think europe is heading towards a difficult time economically and culturally.

Some truth there,,but I will add another aspect.
The reason that so many are immigrating in the first place is because their homes are being bombed to shit by these same NATO countries.
These folks in cooperation with the UN and US have created the refugees that they are dealing with.

Add to that, their total embrace of Socialism and you have a volatile mix.

 

[Vessol]

This "event" in Norway was a staged event. The reported killer (I have no reason to doubt he was involved) was a racist, a neo Nazi.

Most of everything else reported is manufactured. From the Fake Facebook page to the fake photos.

This is an obvious False Flag event.

Several folks, with several backgrounds are coming to the same conclusion and noticing the very obvious..
http://deadlinelive.info/2011/07/23...p-terrorist-kills-liberal-children-in-norway/

Read that. I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion that it was a fake. The story you posted jumps from point to point and shows nothing that cohesive.

The creation of a new Twitter and Facebook page right before the actions does not surprise me. He seemed to be out for media attention.

I read another story that for the past 3 years, according to a journal he kept, he pretended to play World of Warcraft obsessively as a cover for his planning and training.

India seems to be doing fine with different cultures, religions -

Religion not stated -----727,588 0.1%
Bahá'ís-------------------1 953 112 0.18%
Jains---------------------4,225,053 0.4%
Others-------------------4,686,588 0.32%
Buddhists----------------7,955,207 0.8%
Sikhs---------------------19,215,730 1.9%
Christians----------------24,080,016 2.3%
Muslims------------------138,188,240 13.4%
Hindus--------------------827,578,868 80.5%
All religions--------------1,028,610,328 100.00%

Horrible example. India is fraught with violence over ethnicity and religion. Why do you think there is a cold war between Pakistan and India, with nukes aimed at each other? During British rule, Pakistan was part of British India. Many districts in India which are predominately Muslim are full of violence and unrest.

 

[squarepusher]

The man who attacked was an anti-Muslim ethnic Norwegian. See my blog posts at http://danielhammarberg.blogspot.com/2011/07/anders-behring-breivik-oslo-shooter-and.html and http://danielhammarberg.blogspot.com/2011/07/manifesto-of-anders-behring-breivik-not.html .

Europe does indeed have an immigration problem, yep - hordes of people from the third world are flooding the borders, in many cases trying to escape their bad reputation and criminal records at home and live off the government in their destination countries.

maybe if NATO/EU/US would stop bombing the middle east, they might stop migrating north away from the bombs?

 

[Vessol]

maybe if NATO/EU/US would stop bombing the middle east, they might stop migrating north away from the bombs?

This. Many people on this forum try to address the symptoms of the problem and not the actual problem itself. This is especially true with immigration, and it saddens me.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

This. Many people on this forum try to address the symptoms of the problem and not the actual problem itself. This is especially true with immigration, and it saddens me.

Is there someone on this forum that wants to continue bombing these other countries?

 

[Jake Ralston]

The reason that so many are immigrating in the first place is because their homes are being bombed to shit by these same NATO countries.

Absolutely false. First of all, the vast majority of Islamic immigrants are Turkish. Turkey is not only a NATO member, but also an ally of America. We have military bases and nuclear bombs in Turkey.

maybe if NATO/EU/US would stop bombing the middle east, they might stop migrating north away from the bombs?

False, see above.

Instead of allowing the immigrant population to mix into the european culture. The european multiculturalism centered mindset has encouraged the immigrant muslim population to become isolated.

Also, false. The Turks contribute to more crime in Germany than any other ethnic group combined. And they isolate themselves. The problem is that they have failed to intigrate into society. Many Turks do not speak German at all in Germany. They are not required to wear face masks in Turkish schools, yet they do so in German schools. They demand the building of mosques with "giant voice" prayer systems that disturb the peace. They stick to themselves and do not contribute to society.

Am I speaking collectively? Yes. But the vast majority of Turks do exactly what I just lined out. Don't believe me? Take a trip to Germany and take note of what you see.

 

[pcosmar]

Read that. I'm not sure how you came to your conclusion that it was a fake. The story you posted jumps from point to point and shows nothing that cohesive.

The creation of a new Twitter and Facebook page right before the actions does not surprise me. He seemed to be out for media attention.

I read another story that for the past 3 years, according to a journal he kept, he pretended to play World of Warcraft obsessively as a cover for his planning and training.

There were several points made. I do not fully agree with the author,,but there are some points.
The guy was fiercely nationalistic. A Neo-Nazi from his prior writings. Nordic Pride.
The Facebook page was done entirely English with no reference to such and included American centric writings and media.
It was recently created, along with a twitter account with ONE tweet in English.
The alleged "manifesto" was reportedly sent to Facebook friends.
There were NO Facebook friends.

Add that the Photos being circulated look fishy.

This is a deliberately released persona.

Now as to other"issues",, I started watching this when it was first posted here as breaking news. I tuned into a live feed from the area.
There have been several videos of the scene you can watch,, I was watching live.
The first thing that struck be was the lack of any response. Not a single cop,,not a patrol car that came to the area of the blast.
I was watching for some time as both citizens and media showed up and wandered the scene, then sirens could be heard in the distance and eventually folks started to show up.
It was later that I heard that Oslo had just had Terrorism drills,,days before. The lack of response was curious.
As I was watching this the first reports of shooting came up. I posted that here at the time.
I was following the story looking for any information.

It was 90 minutes from the report of shooting till the cops crossed a narrow stretch of water to stop the shooter.
Again the lack of response was glaring.

There was either massive horrible incompetence,, or a deliberate non-response.

From what I am seeing, I suspect the later.
I have come to believe this whole event was deliberately staged.

As to the "Why",?
Not sure yet, but I believe and expanded "War on terror" should be expected.
It is possible that TPTB see a threat from the growing Nationalist movements in Europe, and a threat to the EU. Perhaps this is meant to neutralize that.

 

[wannaberocker]

Also, false. The Turks contribute to more crime in Germany than any other ethnic group combined. And they isolate themselves. The problem is that they have failed to intigrate into society. Many Turks do not speak German at all in Germany. They are not required to wear face masks in Turkish schools, yet they do so in German schools. They demand the building of mosques with "giant voice" prayer systems that disturb the peace. They stick to themselves and do not contribute to society.

Am I speaking collectively? Yes. But the vast majority of Turks do exactly what I just lined out. Don't believe me? Take a trip to Germany and take note of what you see.

I think your misunderstanding my point. I actually agree with you on this issue. My reasoning is that europe has tried to encourage multiculturalism to an extent where they allow new immigrants not to adjust. There is no consiquence of not adjusting to the new country like learning the language or accepting its culture. Europe in a way has tried to bend over backwards for the new immigrants which has put the new immigrants in a position where they dont have to adopt the new culture.
I mean let me give you an example of how sometimes govt can promote new immigrants not to adopt there new country. A friend of mine moved to the USA from France in college. He spoke little english at the time, but he knew that he had to learn because otherwise he would have an extremly hard time getting a job or just doing everyday things. So he took english classes and now he speaks perfect english. Now compare that to another guy i know who moved here from mexico. He still speaks broken english after 7 years in the USA, why? Because he can get by without learning english. If he goes to a govt office, they have spanish speakers, if hes filling out a document the govt provides copies in spanish. In other words the govt is basically telling him "hey no need to learn english".

 

[wannaberocker]

Some truth there,,but I will add another aspect.
The reason that so many are immigrating in the first place is because their homes are being bombed to shit by these same NATO countries.
These folks in cooperation with the UN and US have created the refugees that they are dealing with.

Add to that, their total embrace of Socialism and you have a volatile mix.

You have a point there. If someone is bombing your home, you naturally look for a safer envirnament. If the envirnament is a socialist country where you can be utterly unskilled and still get a govt assistance, well that is just the cherry on top for any refugee.

 

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

Islamic extremists bomb civilians = Blame Muslims!

White Christian extremists bombs civilians = Blame Muslims!!

US government bomb civilians = Blame Muslims!!

 

[BlackTerrel]

I didn't say anything about the shooter. I mentioned gun control. The shooter was absolutely wrong, my intelligence has been insulted to even have to clarify that point.

Have you watched his video, the one removed from youtube? He was upset about Islam taking over Europe, and guess what, he is not alone.

He hates Muslims so he shot up a bunch of white people. Guy sounds like a lone idiot and needs to be shot - that's about it.

 

[Jake Ralston]

I think your misunderstanding my point. I actually agree with you on this issue. My reasoning is that europe has tried to encourage multiculturalism to an extent where they allow new immigrants not to adjust. There is no consiquence of not adjusting to the new country like learning the language or accepting its culture. Europe in a way has tried to bend over backwards for the new immigrants which has put the new immigrants in a position where they dont have to adopt the new culture.

Right, your right. And I believe this all to be tied into Political Correctness. Which in itself is a consuming disease which I reflected in the OP as the problem.

He hates Muslims so he shot up a bunch of white people. Guy sounds like a lone idiot and needs to be shot - that's about it.

Yup. Which is why this thread has nothing to do with the lunatic shooter. It has to do with Multiculturalism in Europe. The Norwegian shooting was his attempt to raise awareness, but to me it was nothing new as I have been following the crisis for some time.

 

[pcosmar]

Absolutely false.

Please back that up with some facts.
I just went searching for statistics, and they show that you are full of shit.

And Norway isn't even high on the list of European countries as a destination.
Arabs, Black Africans and Turks are about equal at 5 million each, but there are folks from many countries that make up "foreigners" in European countries.

perhaps anyone seen a non-white are all the same.

 

[GreenCardSeeker]

There were several points made. I do not fully agree with the author,,but there are some points.
The guy was fiercely nationalistic. A Neo-Nazi from his prior writings. Nordic Pride.

He was not a nationalist or a neo-nazi. He didn't feel race or ethnicity mattered, and he didn't care for his own heritage at all. No word about inspiration by folk heroes or the struggles of his own people. He lamented that some of his people reacted to the immigration problems by becoming ethnocentric, he wanted them to join his anti-islamic crusade instead and leave ethnicity behind. These views are taken from his Norwegian writings.

The alleged "manifesto" was reportedly sent to Facebook friends.
There were NO Facebook friends.

He mentions in the manifesto how he's been actively fishing for e-mail accounts on Facebook, inviting people all the time on 2 separate accounts, to be able to do 100 invites a day. I guess he sent it through e-mail to those people.

It is possible that TPTB see a threat from the growing Nationalist movements in Europe, and a threat to the EU. Perhaps this is meant to neutralize that.

That's a possibility I guess, that he had other connections who enabled him to carry this out. Media over here is certainly extremely anti-nationalist, there's such a stigma to rejecting a multi-cultural / multi-ethnic society.

 

[squarepusher]

The real underlying issue is, economy, jobs, etc... There are few jobs in Europe, and the immigrants are willing to work for less, while the entitled native citizens will not, which therefore brews resentment, etc...

If this Norway terrorist was serious, he would have tried to legislate anti-immigration laws, instead of shooting his own citizens ... ? I wont even try to make sense of it, because he is clearly crazy and a sick individual.

 

[Jake Ralston]

Please back that up with some facts.
I just went searching for statistics, and they show that you are full of shit.

And Norway isn't even high on the list of European countries as a destination.
Arabs, Black Africans and Turks are about equal at 5 million each, but there are folks from many countries that make up "foreigners" in European countries.

Keep up the internet searches if you wish. I don't even know what your disagreeing on with me anyways. Have you been to Germany? Have you seen what I described first hand, as I have? Much of it is unreported in the name of Political Correctness. But, disagree as you wish, like they say ignorance is bliss.

Also, why are you isolating Norway in the multiculturalism issue? It affects Europe as a whole.

 

[Cowlesy]

This "event" in Norway was a staged event. The reported killer (I have no reason to doubt he was involved) was a racist, a neo Nazi.

Most of everything else reported is manufactured. From the Fake Facebook page to the fake photos.

This is an obvious False Flag event.

Several folks, with several backgrounds are coming to the same conclusion and noticing the very obvious..
http://deadlinelive.info/2011/07/23...p-terrorist-kills-liberal-children-in-norway/

Until you can prove all that, I am going to stick with, "Shit happens." Maybe he wasn't a deranged psycho that setup facebook/twitter accounts so that he'd have a whole legacy for his story once he was finished with his massacre. Guy seemed pretty bright and if he wanted to make a point, everyone has all sorts of his stuff to read. Perhaps he, the cops and the gov't were all in on it. I guess since I cannot prove that, I am not going to pan that theory either.