Multiculturalism in Europe. The Norwegian "Awakening"

[pcosmar]

Also, why are you isolating Norway in the multiculturalism issue? It affects Europe as a whole.

I'm not,,but this event was centered in Norway and of the many European countries it is not high of the list.
Luxembourg is. as the highest percentage of immigrants.

Though several states have Nazi groups that are making various levels of noise about the issue.

I rather think this event is meant to target them.

 

[pcosmar]

Until you can prove all that,

Proving that against the weight of the media and the resources of governments is unlikely.

Though I think the effects will be clear enough shortly.

 

[daviddee]

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[KingRobbStark]

Western Europe != Europe.

People, if you are going to talk geography and politics please be specific.

Mindsets in Central and Eastern Europe are different than Western Europe.

You will note in the writing of the Norway shooter he specifically made a point of saying WESTERN Europe.

Central and Eastern Europe are A-OK.

Hate by geography. Understood.

 

[UWDude]

Fighting immigration is as old as nationalism.

 

[dannno]

Some truth there,,but I will add another aspect.
The reason that so many are immigrating in the first place is because their homes are being bombed to shit by these same NATO countries.
These folks in cooperation with the UN and US have created the refugees that they are dealing with.

Add to that, their total embrace of Socialism and you have a volatile mix.

Must spread reputation around before giving it to this user again.

 

[libertygrl]

 

[UWDude]

I like Webster's geopolitical analyses, but everything to him is a CIA plot. The more he and AJ say everything that ever happened was an inside job, the more I wonder if anything was an inside job. (and I did watch the above videos, 1 & 2, and am unimpressed)

 

[dannno]

I like Webster's geopolitical analyses, but everything to him is a CIA plot. The more he and AJ say everything that ever happened was an inside job, the more I wonder if anything was an inside job. (and I did watch the above videos, 1 & 2, and am unimpressed)

If it was an inside job, what would you expect to see in the video that you didn't?

How much studying of the Seattle WTO Riots have you done?

 

[UWDude]

If it was an inside job, what would you expect to see in the video that you didn't?

Eh? what video? I watched the Tarpley interview on the Norway attacks this morning. A lot of it has to do with I lost a lot of faith in Tarpley when he claimed the Arab spring was all CIA orchestrated. The interview relies mostly on Tarpley's patterning together a patchwork of evidence, and many of that tapestry is feeble at best.

How much studying of the Seattle WTO Riots have you done?

If you are asking me that because I live in Seattle, I can tell you this: There are plenty of anarchists who would smash shit up when the occasion arose. No need for police to do it for them.

 

[libertygrl]

I know it sounds incredulous, but there does appear to be a continuing pattern here:

Ratcheting up a particular topic in the media, and then an "event" occurs regarding that same topic.

A government "drill" takes place either on the same day or same week of a terrorist attack happening.

Delay in military/law enforcement offensive response.

I don't claim to have all the answers, but after awhile it does start to look suspicious.

 

[squarepusher]

I think a more apt title for this thread would be "Multiculturalism in Europe - The Norwegian Descent Into Madness"

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

I know it sounds incredulous, but there does appear to be a continuing pattern here:

Ratcheting up a particular topic in the media, and then an "event" occurs regarding that same topic.

A government "drill" takes place either on the same day or same week of a terrorist attack happening.

Delay in military/law enforcement offensive response.

I don't claim to have all the answers, but after awhile it does start to look suspicious.

The federal government personally gains from every terror attack. Terror allows them to do whatever they want without any repercussions so they promote it as much as they possibly can. It's apart of their business plan.

I like Webster's geopolitical analyses, but everything to him is a CIA plot. The more he and AJ say everything that ever happened was an inside job, the more I wonder if anything was an inside job. (and I did watch the above videos, 1 & 2, and am unimpressed)

They're both big time 'everything is a conspiracy' kind of guys. The government is up to so much shady, secretive evilness that I think their analysis is worth considering.

 

[dannno]

Eh? what video? I watched the Tarpley interview on the Norway attacks this morning. A lot of it has to do with I lost a lot of faith in Tarpley when he claimed the Arab spring was all CIA orchestrated. The interview relies mostly on Tarpley's patterning together a patchwork of evidence, and many of that tapestry is feeble at best.

Well you weren't here when that was all happening, but it's pretty clear that Arab spring was controlled by CIA. We had debates back and forth on the forum, and some people who argue against me and pcosmar and others will make the argument that the CIA doesn't control every little event and they are right.. they don't control every little event and they may have had little or nothing to do with the initial events that triggered it (the guy lighting himself on fire), but they certainly had the groundwork laid so that they could control what these events lead to.

I don't know which parts they orchestrated, and it doesn't mean that the people in those areas shouldn't rise up against their oppressive regimes, but what is the point in doing so when the CIA is going to control the outcome?

 

[dannno]

If you are asking me that because I live in Seattle, I can tell you this: There are plenty of anarchists who would smash shit up when the occasion arose. No need for police to do it for them.

Wow, see, you and others completely misunderstand how these things work, you try to put words in our mouth about how these things go down but you haven't done enough research yourself and so you make all of these huge insinuations about what we "conspiracy theorists" believe without understanding the modus operandi of the establishment.

I'm sorry, but you're really just wrong on this one, with a very small portion of what you said being 'right'.. but you clearly haven't done much research on this topic at all. There is plenty of video evidence showing that police were protecting the anarchists. OF COURSE THE ANARCHISTS EXIST!! OF COURSE THEY WANT TO SMASH THINGS UP!! That misses the point entirely.. The point is, why were the police actively protecting them, why did they HELP MOVE THEM from one building to another building?

Why did the police allow the anarchists to destroy everything, then once they were gone, they shut down the streets and stomped out all the peaceful protesters? BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG!!

The leaders of most of these commi-anarchist groups are government agents. They go out and recruit as many anarchists and legit anarchist groups as possible and help organize events for them to fuck up. Then the police arrange protection for them. This has been captured on film OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again at protests all around the world. This is plain and simple modus operandi.

 

[pcosmar]

Absolutely false. First of all, the vast majority of Islamic immigrants are Turkish. Turkey is not only a NATO member, but also an ally of America. We have military bases and nuclear bombs in Turkey.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Norway
Turkey is #10 on the list.

The number of immigrants in Norway is currently approximately 552,000, which corresponds to 11.4% of the total population (2010)

You then went on about Germany (which is irrelevant to this situation) and most of Germany's immigrants are from Turkey but that is because they are very restrictive.

In 2007, 91.2% (75.0 million) of residents in Germany had German citizenship, while 81% of the population were Germans with no imigrant background and 19% were German citizents with immigrant background ( 15.3 million people) Of the remaining 8.8% (7.2 million), 1.7 million (2.1%) had Turkish, 0.5 million (0.6%) Italian and 0.4 million (0.5%) Polish citizenship.

I have heard a lot of Bullshit from several racist groups. There is another one that posts here from England. Calls himself a "repuplican" but is admittedly a Nationalist and a Socialist (NAZI)
As was the scumbag that went off in Norway.
Prior to his recreated persona on July 17,, he was affiliated with Neo-Nazi groups.
Now he is dressed up as a Christian Conservative.

He is the same kind of Aryan Scum I knew (and opposed) in Prison. Same rhetoric, Same style, Same stench.

 

[UWDude]

so you make all of these huge insinuations about what we "conspiracy theorists" believe without understanding the modus operandi of the establishment.

I listen t plenty of Alex Jones. I understand it, I just do not buy into all of it. I have seen footage of police protecting anarchists, and seen footage of police posing as anarchist and being outed by the crowd. Using Agent provocateurs are a centuries old trick, so I know it happens.

So take a breath and relax. I don't have to believe everything to still be on the same team. Sometimes a duck is just a duck.

 

[dannno]

I listen t plenty of Alex Jones. I understand it, I just do not buy into all of it. I have seen footage of police protecting anarchists, and seen footage of police posing as anarchist and being outed by the crowd. Using Agent provocateurs are a centuries old trick, so I know it happens.

So take a breath and relax. I don't have to believe everything to still be on the same team. Sometimes a duck is just a duck.

So then why did you say earlier:

If you are asking me that because I live in Seattle, I can tell you this: There are plenty of anarchists who would smash shit up when the occasion arose. No need for police to do it for them.

It seems to me you were insinuating that they could have done all of that on their own when they needed a police stand-down order and police protection.

I don't think every single thing that happen is a conspiracy, but I think it is a good thing to have a contingency of folks who are rightly observant and looking toward the conspiracy angle because of the fact that it is so prevalent.

 

[lester1/2jr]

If europeans want more white people there the white people should have more children. Not having a massive welfare state would be a good idea as well just in general.