MSNBC Goes Full Retard

[torchbearer]

Hmm...not right off the top of my head. I am sure it was something smarmy.

(concerning Ron) 'for me, he's done.'
the clip i believe is in movie, For Liberty.

 

[JustinTime]

White people are to the "blue team" what Muslims are to the "red team": always the group to blame.

 

[Occam's Banana]

I hate everybody equally.

Dirty angelatc ... (nah - doesn't quite have the same ring to it) ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnRkCemeV7k

 

[KingNothing]

True about institutionalized racism being found in the judicial system. Not really sure what exactly your "categorical, undeniable, proof of institutionalized racism" in corporate America is referring to.

Are you kidding? From having a more difficult time getting in to colleges, and then, after graduating, have a more difficult time finding work. And this is in spite of affirmative action.

For employment, people tend to hire employees within their own race, which has the effect of benefiting whichever race is predominant in an area: http://moya.bus.miami.edu/~lgiuliano/Hires.pdf

I do know affirmative action is not needed.

It shouldn't be needed, and it shouldn't exist. But it IS needed, and it does exist, because humans are not perfect. That isn't to say I endorse Affirmative Action. I don't. But that is an easy position for me to hold, as a white male. I take the stance that ANY government force is bad, even that which is well-intended.

Whoever is fit for the job is fit for the job. A company that hired inferior people based simply because they were white or black would suffer in the long run because of it.

And yet, companies have been making racially motivated hires for literally hundreds of years.

Not to mention business practices could be known and people could judge them accordingly on whether or not they agree with the business's ideals.

Right, but it is so systemic and so pervasive, that no one even notices it unless they read actual studies, and almost no one does that. People prefer to remain ignorant.

Exponentially, huh? Not seeing it. Perhaps you have had things handed to you based on your skin tone but me, no. Difference of experiences I'd assume.

I haven't had shit handed to me, so stop with that. Your complete inability to imagine how things could be worse for you is just astonishing.

The war on drugs is a tragedy. See, a type of people may say the war on drugs is a tragedy for blacks, and that is true. I say the war on drugs is a tragedy for everyone. Hispanics, blacks, whites everyone. That is the difference in looking at things collectively and arguing a reverse racist point or looking at things individually and judging them for what they are.

This is blithering stupidity. The war on drugs hurts everyone, sure. But it hurts african americans in a disproportionate manner. Why won't you admit that?

My life is not easier because of skin tone.

Every piece of research -ALL OF THEM- says otherwise. You're basing your opinion on anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias. That is a TERRIBLE foundation for a belief system.

Perhaps yours was, and that's great, but I've worked hard for everything I have and never had a damn thing given to me. I've been profiled and harassed more times than I care to get into. I've had charges trumped up more times than I care to get into. And I've seen racism from both sides living where I have. You perpetuating some victim mentality isn't helping anyone.

Read this again and tell me which one of us is playing a victim mentality.

What do you want me to acknowledge that I haven't? (simple, concise points, please) Yes, blacks are disproportionately arrested and sentenced to jail time. Crack cocaine laws are unjust. (any drug law, actually) I fail to see me in denial of anything. What I see is me not wavering on the issue simply because of one's skin tone. Blacks being imprisoned for petty victimless crimes is as much of a tragedy as whites being imprisoned for petty victimless crimes. Pointing out one's race when mentioning their injustice is downplaying the injustices of the other. It is a distraction and further divides.

OK, so you're pointing out examples where it is beneficial to be white. And then you say "but we have to ignore those things." Do you understand how retarded you sound?

As to researching the subject I think I'll have to take a rain check.

Of course. Exploring these facts wouldn't confirm your previously held beliefs so of course you won't venture down that path.

 

[Pericles]

Probably so. And there is a perfectly rational reason for doing so that has nothing to do with the employer being racist. A black employee represents a greater risk of legal liability to the employer than an otherwise identical white employee due to equal employment opportunity laws. So a perfectly rational, non-racist businessman would choose the white employee to get the same performance at reduced risk. That is government helping the black man.

My company never has any job openings - so we don't have those kinds of employment issues.

 

[TheTexan]

Blacks have a history of being subjugated and enslaved in this country.

So do whites

 

[kcchiefs6465]

Are you kidding? From having a more difficult time getting in to colleges, and then, after graduating, have a more difficult time finding work.

For employment, people tend to hire employees within their own race, which has the effect of benefiting whichever race is predominant in an area:

This is the plight of all Americans. (a lack of jobs for the degrees given) You seem to want to dwell on that which affects everyone and make it an issue that is simply affecting blacks. There is a problem within the school system as well. Blacks aren't rejected from colleges. If you can pay, you can play. Colleges are lucrative businesses. Pell grants and student loans have made college accessible to everyone. (a big clusterfuck it will become) The jobs aren't going to be there for most all degrees. Especially say, psychologists or when you major in liberal arts. Certain areas of study are going to be affected differently. Like I said, it is an issue that affects everyone.

To be clear though, colleges are private institutions. You have Mormon colleges and the like. They have no obligation to cater to you based on race or religion. If they do or don't is their choice. Say if a black person is rejected from a certain college based on them being black. That's a shame, and they obviously have the right to speak out against the racist policy of the school or start a boycott to protest them. There are other colleges. Why would a black person want a school to be forced to accept them when they have biases and would treat them unfairly? Wouldn't it be more logical to find a school which holds your same general beliefs? I wouldn't go to BYU, for example, and wouldn't want a Federal law to force them to accept me if I did.

The market would provide for this. If private institutions wanted to be white only, or black only, or Mormon only, or gays only, that is their prerogative. Laws from the top down do nothing to further race relations and in fact cause animosity. I will spell this out real clearly. A race should neither be penalized or rewarded from government policies. The sooner people start seeing their fellow countrymen as individuals the better off we'll be.

It shouldn't be needed, and it shouldn't exist. But it IS needed, and it does exist, because humans are not perfect. That isn't to say I endorse Affirmative Action. I don't. But that is an easy position for me to hold, as a white male. I take the stance that ANY government force is bad, even that which is well-intended.

It is not needed. You think if Walmart only hired whites there wouldn't be mass outrage and protests? Boycotts? The same would be for any major corporation. They have an interest in representing the demographics of the community they are in. Forcing private businesses to hire people who weren't fit for the job or promoting people who weren't fit to manage does nothing good. For one, it certainly doesn't improve race relations. Especially for the business owner who is forced to compensate someone who wasn't the best candidate. And for two, it is an encroachment on liberty. Same with the CRA and forcing businesses to allow blacks or gays or whoever into your private establishment. Could you imagine in today's day and age if a business posted a sign on their door that said, "No Coloreds"? The business would lose customers and be ostracized... probably ran out of town. The government isn't needed to protect people from perceived wrongs. Their intentions may be noble but it is a task no amount of bureaucracy could solve. The road to hell is always paved with good intentions.

And yet, companies have been making racially motivated hires for literally hundreds of years.

People had slaves for hundreds of years as well. Would you imagine that practice to go unchallenged in America today? What about women? They were also discriminated against for most of our country's history. When you slip down the slope you are advocating you end up seeing these absurd lawsuits of obese men suing their employers for being fired. Or any of the other examples I could find. Unnecessarily PC world is unnecessarily PC.

Right, but it is so systemic and so pervasive, that no one even notices it unless they read actual studies, and almost no one does that. People prefer to remain ignorant.

I don't need to read your studies. I don't need to take a course in sociology or sensitivity training. I grew up in a community that was over 50% black. The racism was on both sides. I wasn't whining to MSNBC and Al Sharpton about it though, when I was discriminated against or challenged for being white.

I haven't had shit handed to me, so stop with that. Your complete inability to imagine how things could be worse for you is just astonishing.

Things could be worse if I was picking diamonds from a goddamned creek in Liberia. The hell is your point?

This is blithering stupidity. The war on drugs hurts everyone, sure. But it hurts african americans in a disproportionate manner. Why won't you admit that?

I did. Crusade on ending the War on Drugs. You'll have my support. But I am kind of curious, not that you would know and if you don't no worries, what is Al Sharpton's view on completely ending the War on Drugs? Or the militarization of the police force? Or the daily violations of the Fourth Amendment? Does he care about it on philosophical grounds or is it simply because blacks are being affected? I'd like to hear him speak out about the problems philosophically and simply because they are wrong. I'd actually have a shred of respect for him if he did. Not to mention he could drop truth bombs on his show about where the drugs are coming from and the government organizations benefiting. You know, he could even talk about the owner's of the record labels having stocks in private prisons. Speak out against the five year olds rapping about be "coke boys" and whipping crack. Instead he signs a book deal with them.

Every piece of research -ALL OF THEM- says otherwise. You're basing your opinion on anecdotal evidence and confirmation bias. That is a TERRIBLE foundation for a belief system.

A belief system? That terminology kind of irks me. This issue doesn't keep me up at night. Philosophically I think a certain way, that is the foundation of my beliefs. That is coupled with the experiences I've had... of course. The studies you quoted also mentioned black owners and managers hiring blacks disproportionally. Boo fucking hoo.

Read this again and tell me which one of us is playing a victim mentality.

Perpetuating a victim mentality is not the same as playing a victim mentality. I'm sure the twisting of my words was an unintentional mistake. No worries.

OK, so you're pointing out examples where it is beneficial to be white. And then you say "but we have to ignore those things." Do you understand how retarded you sound?

Damn. You proved me wrong. Here I thought the twisting of my words was unintentional but now you are making up quotations to demonstrate your point. Tsk tsk.

See, I see "Stop and Frisk" as being unconstitutional and a disgrace to the ideals America was founded on. Your types dwell on the fact more blacks were stopped than whites. I can admit that more blacks blacks are stopped than whites. I can admit that that too is a disgrace. Here's the thing though, a black being stopped and molested by a pig is just as outrageous as a white being stopped and molested by the pigs, and vice versa. You, and Al Sharpton, though I understand the majority of your views aren't even closely the same, act as if it is more flagrant that one skin tone is harassed over the other. To be clear, it is more outrageous that they think they can stop any and everyone walking down the road and sexually assault them than that officers in the NYPD are prejudicial.

Of course. Exploring these facts wouldn't confirm your previously held beliefs so of course you won't venture down that path.

Truth be told, I could school you on an atrocity or two that were committed against blacks.

Venture down a few more paths and we could have a meaningful discussion sometime. I don't need "Cash Money Content" to explain race in America to me.

 

[KingNothing]

So, kcchiefs6465 is saying that life is difficult for everyone, then cites things that make it more difficult for some people, then says those things don't matter because life is difficult for everyone.

Do I have it right?

I'm not even arguing for government intervention. On the contrary, government intervention is why a lot of these problems even exist. Further, there is no amount of forced-hypocrisy that will coerce individuals into being better people. But I'm acknowledging the obvious which, for some reason, kcchiefs6465 will NEVER do -- that life is less-hard being white than it is being black. He, himself, has cited reasons justifying the belief that society prosecutes and persecutes black people more aggressively than white people, but won't go so far as to state that white privilege exists. He cites white privilege. Then says it isn't real.

This place is just depressing. We're supposed to be intelligent. We're supposed to seek the truth. We're supposed to overcome our biases. Start thinking! Be what we have to be in order to succeed!

 

[acptulsa]

What we need is an Affirmative Action Agency to specifically serve militia groups. It could be under Health and Human Services, and inspectors could set quotas and help the militiamen seek out disadvantaged weekend warriors and get them in shape for initiation. What a wonderful idea! Nothing like committing the federal government to help us make our little social groups as colorful as any beautiful rainbow! The Army did it in World War II, and it's high time the government helped the several militias do it too.

Of course, if the militias wind up looking, acting and smelling like the Crips and the Bloods, it could have a deleterious affect on the continued membership by other demographics. So, even though this was designed as a temporary agency to do a specific task, don't hold your breath waiting for it to be disbanded...

I'm confused that msnbc is the one bringing this to my attention. Why, the first armed, black Tea Partier I ever saw I saw on msnbc. Of course, they were busy claiming he was a well-tanned white guy who hated people of African descent, but in spite of that he was indeed of African descent himself and it was msnbc which pointed him out to me. You'd think that if they were really trying to convince me that such people didn't exist at all, they'd be more careful where they point their cameras.

 

[JK/SEA]

This place is just depressing. We're supposed to be intelligent. We're supposed to seek the truth. We're supposed to overcome our biases. Start thinking! Be what we have to be in order to succeed!

lol

 

[kcchiefs6465]

So, kcchiefs6465 is saying that life is difficult for everyone, then cites things that make it more difficult for some people, then says those things don't matter because life is difficult for everyone.

Why do you talk about me as if I'm not here? White privilege should have privileged your ass some manners and common decency. You wish to know what I'm saying, read what I'm saying. You are unable to respond in any substantial way so instead you resort to twisting words and demagoguery. I guess I shouldn't have expected anything less. By all means carry on.

Start thinking! Be what we have to be in order to succeed!

Am I even supposed to take this seriously?

"Be what we have to be in order to succeed"?

The sort of vague advice which doesn't actually advise that I'd expect from a fortune cookie. It wouldn't have annoyed me so much if you would have taught me how to say "apple" in Chinese and reaffirmed "7" as my lucky number.

The patronization is a little insulting. Be what we have to be in order to succeed? What exactly does that even entail? Assimilating to the propagandized media espoused group think opinion? Or simply withholding opinion? Perhaps taking sensitivity training so I don't offend someone when relating my opinion?

"Be like a butterfly and fly high."

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I don't even support libel litigation and laws, but damn would I enjoy the spectacle of Jones suing MSNBC for slander and defamation.

 

[MelissaWV]

So, kcchiefs6465 is saying that life is difficult for everyone, then cites things that make it more difficult for some people, then says those things don't matter because life is difficult for everyone.

Do I have it right?

I'm not even arguing for government intervention. On the contrary, government intervention is why a lot of these problems even exist. Further, there is no amount of forced-hypocrisy that will coerce individuals into being better people. But I'm acknowledging the obvious which, for some reason, kcchiefs6465 will NEVER do -- that life is less-hard being white than it is being black. He, himself, has cited reasons justifying the belief that society prosecutes and persecutes black people more aggressively than white people, but won't go so far as to state that white privilege exists. He cites white privilege. Then says it isn't real.

This place is just depressing. We're supposed to be intelligent. We're supposed to seek the truth. We're supposed to overcome our biases. Start thinking! Be what we have to be in order to succeed!

Which is why I support hiring quotas for short people.

 

[tod evans]

Which is why I support hiring quotas for short people.

Hey now!

What about bald headed folks?

Or bearded ones?

One eye?

9 fingers?

Pink clothing?

Metal in their face?

More laws! USA,USA.....