MSNBC Goes Full Retard

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

 

[dillo]

The militia movement sure is racist, I mean thats why it was so active in the 80s

 

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

The militia movement sure is racist, I mean thats why it was so active in the 80s

yur stupid

 

[Philhelm]

Odin's balls... Stupid bastards.

 

[fr33]

It sure is strange as a hippyish libertarian to be labeled as a racist. I have no idea what they base it on. It would make more sense if they went after neocons for their racist tendencies.

 

[dillo]

Libertarian: Black people should not get special treatment, everyone should be treated equally

Liberal/Democrat: Black people need help to get jobs and into school, so we need quotas

how people ever interpret the libertarian as racist is beyond me

 

[AngryCanadian]

MSNBC is just pathetic they remind me of FOX news.

 

[compromise]

There are black, Jewish and Latino militia members. I wouldn't say all militias are racist, some are, but not a majority.

 

[Antischism]

Libertarian: Black people should not get special treatment, everyone should be treated equally

Liberal/Democrat: Black people need help to get jobs and into school, so we need quotas

how people ever interpret the libertarian as racist is beyond me

Are black people/minorities currently treated equally, though? Or are you one of those people who think whites are being oppressed and minorities have some sort of upper hand? Because if you think white people (the majority therefore the default race of this country and people who run the country in government) and black people (recent history of being enslaved, demonized, heavily incarcerated victims of unjust drug laws, stop-and-frisks, discrimination in the work place, unfavorable media portrayal, below the white standard of beauty pushed by the media, mostly at or below poverty levels, passed over on employment options for having a black sounding name, etc) / minorities like Mexicans or other people from Spanish-speaking countries (supposedly ruining the country by stealing jobs, stigmatized as dirty illegals, also victims of many things facing African Americans like racial profiling) are on equal footing, you're either ignorant or purposely being obtuse.

The system is broken and heavily skewed to favor white people based on America's racist history and current laws. While certain programs which purport to help blacks and minorities may be causing more harm than good, it's a mistake to claim all races would suddenly be equal if we got rid of these programs. There's much worse racism entrenched in the system to attack and worry about than affirmative action.

Maybe once we end the War on Drugs, stop intervening in the affairs of other nations and fighting unconstitutional wars, become a prosperous nation, create more jobs and do away with corporatism, we'll see much more equality.

This doesn't mean anyone has to be guilty for having a particular skin color; that's preposterous. It does mean however, that in order to create a more equal society, we must eliminate government and its unjust laws. I don't think racism will ever end nor do I think it's odd that a country that's majority white will cater more to the majority, but as things are now, getting close to equality is a joke.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

The system is broken and heavily skewed to favor white people based on America's racist history and current laws.

As a young white male I can assure you it isn't what you've hyped it up to be. My privilege has been being stopped and harassed and extorted seemingly bi-weekly and many times more often for things I did not do and for reasons that were not stated or ever made clear/no charges levied. That is all to have money stolen or property destroyed and to be molested by [wannabe] agents who knew me by nothing more than a face.

Threatened execution or an attempted murder I do know blacks who received the same treatment, though differently. (not the same circumstances, of course) My point being it isn't a white versus black thing. I've had my rights violated by all shades of swine as has some I know.

You can be intentionally dense on whether or not white people are profiled but that doesn't change the facts of life as it has been apparent to me. More than I'll get involved with in discussing I can assure you I never received preferential treatment.

Are blacks treated equally? By me, yes. Their rights being violated are supposed to void the facts my rights are also being violated? (or are some rights worth more) I doubt many are advocating preferential treatment for either race so what exactly do you mean?

 

[Antischism]

As a young white male I can assure you it isn't what you've hyped it up to be. My privilege has been being stopped and harassed and extorted seemingly bi-weekly and many times more often for things I did not do and for reasons that were not stated or ever made clear/no charges levied. That is all to have money stolen or property destroyed and to be molested by [wannabe] agents who knew me by nothing more than a face.

Threatened execution or an attempted murder I do know blacks who received the same treatment, though differently. (not the same circumstances, of course) My point being it isn't a white versus black thing. I've had my rights violated by all shades of swine as has some I know.

You can be intentionally dense on whether or not white people are profiled but that doesn't change the facts of life as it has been apparent to me. More than I'll get involved with in discussing I can assure you I never received preferential treatment.

Are blacks treated equally? By me, yes. Their rights being violated are supposed to void the facts my rights are also being violated? (or are some rights worth more) I doubt many are advocating preferential treatment for either race so what exactly do you mean?

The problem with your statement is that it's anecdotal evidence and I'm not stating at all that white people can't also face such hardships. It happens, but the issue is that it very much skews against blacks/minorities. On average and simply going by statistics, a person of color is more likely to get stopped by the police or get a much harsher charge for similar crimes in comparison to a white person. Why is this? Is it because dark skin is associated with criminal behavior, therefore a person of color is more likely to be a repeat offender? On average, an employer is more likely to choose a resume with a white sounding name over the black sounding name, all other things being equal.

Blacks have a history of being subjugated and enslaved in this country. If you think that's easily forgotten by blacks, I'd beg to differ in their defense. Stereotypes dating way back to minstrel shows still exist and black people have been portrayed as big, scary thugs in the media for decades. White is the standard; the default. Of course, your mileage may vary and socioeconomic factors play a role, but you simply can't deny that the War on Drugs has been destroying black/minority families and further exacerbating the issue when it cuts off half of the family's income and children grow up in single-parent homes.

This point of view is often lambasted on the 'right' because people on the 'left' don't exactly offer the right solutions, so in turn, it seems that the anger turns into a mentality where conservatives see it in a black/white (figuratively speaking) political nature. Some just shut off their brains and resort to posting articles about how black people must be worse therefore a bane to this country because statistics say they commit more crimes in comparison, despite that being a symptom of deeper issues entrenched in the system. Eventually the debate goes nowhere while one side continuously becomes bitter and harbors more hatred for people of color and the other ignorantly calls everyone a racist because they've become hypersensitive to the talking points of many on the 'right'. Then there's another group of people who just don't want to talk about race at all despite it still being an issue today.

On a personal level, there's more tolerance nowadays, definitely. On a federal level, we have a long way to go.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

The problem with your statement is that it's anecdotal evidence and I'm not stating at all that white people can't also face such hardships. It happens, but the issue is that it very much skews against blacks/minorities. On average and simply going by statistics, a person of color is more likely to get stopped by the police or get a much harsher charge for similar crimes in comparison to a white person. Why is this? Is it because dark skin is associated with criminal behavior, therefore a person of color is more likely to be a repeat offender? On average, an employer is more likely to choose a resume with a white sounding name over the black sounding name, all other things being equal.

And an employer is just as easily able to look up the trumped up dismissed charges I've been harassed with and say, "This man has a problem with authority." No doubt they'd go for the person down the line who doesn't have the potential baggage they view I may have. That is their right, to be clear, but it also is unreasonable for charges to be dismissed yet remain on record. This is intentional.

Not that I would agree with dismissing some based solely on their name as I am sure many employers don't either.

Blacks have a history of being subjugated and enslaved in this country. If you think that's easily forgotten by blacks, I'd beg to differ in their defense. Stereotypes dating way back to minstrel shows still exist and black people have been portrayed as big, scary thugs in the media for decades. White is the standard; the default. Of course, your mileage may vary and socioeconomic factors play a role, but you simply can't deny that the War on Drugs has been destroying black/minority families and further exacerbating the issue when it cuts off half of the family's income and children grow up in single-parent homes.

True. Drug laws, especially the Marihuana Tax Act, were rooted in racism. "Black men raping white women and Mexicans smoking grass and going insane." Piss on Anslinger. The war on drugs is destroying families. Black and white included. You could mention how the DEA and CIA have gone the approach of using the proverbial "big fish" to catch the "little fish" while letting the supplier off leniently for giving information on the people he sold to. You'd have me in agreement. As you mentioned it is more socioeconomically determined and the "hood" isn't simply filled with blacks. Many lives are destroyed through these detrimental policies. Don't attempt to minimalize that fact.

This point of view is often lambasted on the 'right' because people on the 'left' don't exactly offer the right solutions, so in turn, it seems that the anger turns into a mentality where conservatives see it in a black/white (figuratively speaking) political nature. Some just shut off their brains and resort to posting articles about how black people must be worse therefore a bane to this country because statistics say they commit more crimes in comparison, despite that being a symptom of deeper issues entrenched in the system. Eventually the debate goes nowhere while one side continuously becomes bitter and harbors more hatred for people of color and the other ignorantly calls everyone a racist because they've become hypersensitive to the talking points of many on the 'right'. Then there's another group of people who just don't want to talk about race at all despite it still being an issue today.

Some here are trolls who post Glenn Beck/Hannity shit all night long. I have no doubt a few stormfronters as well. I suppose I'd fall in the third group. It being an issue is a very clear result of some people pushing it as an issue. (not speaking about you, to be clear) There are racists on both sides using their proverbial podium to spew their bullshit. It still being an issue, and I'll clarify the inner city is where it is the issue, is between the young and old. Those of my age, in the city, could not care less. Of course some won't change.

Now people point out those who've gotten attacked and senseless violence is a problem; people look for excuses. It doesn't matter if you're white, black, or blue. It's not hard to understand. Watch surroundings. People out of place are out of place and be aware.

The police is the only gang to ever rob me. They were culturally diverse though.

On a personal level, there's more tolerance nowadays, definitely. On a federal level, we have a long way to go.

On a federal level we have a long way to go on many things. The war on drugs and disproportionate sentences given to blacks. Mandatory minimum sentences as well, which affect everyone. Asset forfeiture and the militarization of the police force which undoubtedly affects everyone.

The cutting would be more elimination towards many of the pork eating, swine farm, swine farm raiding (ironically) federal pigs.

 

[fisharmor]

Well, I hope everyone has learned an important lesson about Michael Steele here.
I'm pretty glad... I thought a lot of people here were way too willing to start cozying up to him a couple years ago.

 

[ThePenguinLibertarian]

Libertarian: Black people should not get special treatment, everyone should be treated equally

Liberal/Democrat: Black people need help to get jobs and into school, so we need quotas

how people ever interpret the libertarian as racist is beyond me

Psychology perhaps? People really want faith in government?

 

[pcosmar]

Ongoing agenda is ongoing.



Yeah,, the militia is racist.

Remember this,,



MSNBC..

 

[enoch150]

an employer is more likely to choose a resume with a white sounding name over the black sounding name, all other things being equal.

Depends on who's doing the hiring, I think. There are more whites in charge of hiring, so there probably is more rejection of black sounding names. But I would not be surprised at all if the rate of rejection based on stereotypical names was the same for both whites and blacks when the opposite is hiring.

I have two relatives who were rejected for jobs because they were white. One was told she was the best qualified, but they needed more minority representation (a government job, in education.) The other was told that he wouldn't fit in with the culture at a facility which was 90% black.

 

[Contumacious]

It sure is strange as a hippyish libertarian to be labeled as a racist. I have no idea what they base it on. It would make more sense if they went after neocons for their racist tendencies.

It's called character assassination

From the "if you can't blind them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit" department.

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[KingNothing]

As a young white male I can assure you it isn't what you've hyped it up to be. My privilege has been being stopped and harassed and extorted seemingly bi-weekly and many times more often for things I did not do and for reasons that were not stated or ever made clear/no charges levied. That is all to have money stolen or property destroyed and to be molested by [wannabe] agents who knew me by nothing more than a face.

Threatened execution or an attempted murder I do know blacks who received the same treatment, though differently. (not the same circumstances, of course) My point being it isn't a white versus black thing. I've had my rights violated by all shades of swine as has some I know.

You can be intentionally dense on whether or not white people are profiled but that doesn't change the facts of life as it has been apparent to me. More than I'll get involved with in discussing I can assure you I never received preferential treatment.

Are blacks treated equally? By me, yes. Their rights being violated are supposed to void the facts my rights are also being violated? (or are some rights worth more) I doubt many are advocating preferential treatment for either race so what exactly do you mean?

You're being completely ridiculous. There is categorical, undeniable, proof of institutionalized racism both in the judicial system and in corporate America.

Being white makes life exponentially easier than being not white. This isn't a reason for guilt, or shame, or self-loathing. It is, however, cause to investigate why this paradigm currently exists -- as an objective, white, on-looker, I think it's pretty obvious: the war on drugs and democrat economic policy.

That you're completely unwilling to admit that life as a white person, imperfect as it is, is easier than life as literally anyone else, shows an ignorance - not racism, not hate, not fear. None of that. I'd suggest that you look into research on the subject because it sounds like you've no idea how much worse things could be for you.

 

[donnay]

Well, I hope everyone has learned an important lesson about Michael Steele here.
I'm pretty glad... I thought a lot of people here were way too willing to start cozying up to him a couple years ago.

I never liked Steele. I could never put my finger on why I didn't like him but I sensed he was a slimeball.

 

[Pericles]

Summary - anybody can be white if the media dislikes you.