Msg from Jonathan Bydlak -- willing to answer questions

[RollOn2day]

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000

Couldn't have said it better: If this is about the message, then there is NOTHING to lose with an independent run. New audiences will be reached, and this *CRITICALLY* important message will find fresh ears. For the love of Zeus, what is taking so long for this to come about?
And again, the point about whether he'll win or not as an indy, or how hard it would be is officially MOOT in light of the fact that this was apparently an "educational" campaign anyway. People, wake up, there is nothing to lose, and everything to gain. Ron Paul must run as an independent. What? He might lose? It'll be HARD? Are you kidding me? These are the reasons against him running independent? Unbelievable.

For the love of Zues....!!!

 

[SteveMartin]

Ron Paul will endorse Bob Barr.

 

[parke]

Im buying you a beer.

2. As far as a "big-name" campaign director... In my opinion, the campaign could have used someone who had significant experience with campaigning. But I say that not because there weren't people with that experience, but because ANY campaign could always use more. But my personal opinion is also that the difference such a person would have made would have been largely trivial. That's because, as I said earlier, there's no magic secret to how a staff can get the press to cover a candidate. In the end, the press didn't cover Ron Paul because they didn't like Ron Paul... not because the staff didn't do the needed job. If you want to understand why Ron didn't get coverage, your best starting place is to question how Ron presented his message, whether he could have done a better job, or whether the message is too opposed to the biases of the media. Sure, additional staff would have helped. But to focus criticisms there is to miss the broader point.

I agree 100%.

The only irritations I had with Paul was him not luring those idiots into talking themselves into a corner. Asking his opponents questions after being attacked. I dont know Ron Paul, but Ive been alive long enough to know to use your enemies to your advantage. In my opinion he dropped the ball at a few debates. I believe the people in the debates screwed with his equipment to make him look old. Turned down his mic or made his voice echo. Regardless, just as an observer, I recognized some dirty tricks. Rudy laughing everytime Paul spoke.. etc.

The media sure as HELL didnt like Paul. No mention of him after NH. NONE. Zilch. zero. It was as if somebody turned off a switch. I canceled my cable and now only use the internet for my entertainment (pandora.com or youtube.com) and news material.

I wanted to thank you too. You coming on these boards will help explain alot of my own questions. I wish this wasnt a learning curve for so many people. The good thing is Ron Paul is going to bring America her liberty whether it happens now or in ten years. He sparked a flame that will continue to grow.

'Freedom is popular.'

 

[Suzu]

I am going to cleanup this thread by soft-deleting anything that seems off-topic, incoherant, etc.

You seem to have left in most of the stuff I would have deleted if I had the means. Thank goodness for the Ignore List!

 

[Anti Federalist]

Phew, so I read through the whole thread.

And, sorry to say it, everybody is missing the point.

There has been an excruciating amount of "self criticism" laid out here, some clearing of the air, some enlightenment on issues that had all of us concerned. Jonathan, thank you for your time.

But to what end?

Here is what is being missed: The American electorate is a motley mob of feeble minded mush-heads who neither want nor understand peace and liberty.

Two examples:

Exit polling in NH indicated that among voters of both parties, ending the Iraq war was a priority. Who did Republicans vote for? McQueeq.

A recent CNN/Ipsos poll asked, "What is your primary economic worry?" 91% responded: "Inflation". But yet these same people, presumably worried about inflation, rejected the only candidate who clearly, concisely and with a voting record to back his rhetoric, explained how inflation is caused, why it is caused and what to do to stop it.

No amount of money, ads, media attention, slick campaigns, spin doctors, canvassing or what have you, can overcome such shallow minded, fickle, feeble doublethink.

Overcoming this is going to require much more radical action and unorthodox thinking than many here are willing to contemplate.

 

[SteveMartin]

William Wallace,

I am ready to contemplate.

UNITE THE CLANS! Run Indy, Dr. Paul, and we will follow you...all of the third parties will follow you, along with the real conservatives in the Republican Party, along with most of the Dems and Independents who hate this war. And, we can have something we have never had before...a country of our own!

Do it, so we don't have to fight a war here.

 

[Leroy_Jenkems]

And just because no one's used the joke yet.... I've gotta say it: you're right... I am vain. I probably think this thread is about me...

Oh, snap! For you young'uns (heck, I'm only 23), that last part is a line from a Carly Simon song, or Nine Inch Nails if you grew up in the '90s...

 

[Anti Federalist]

Steve Martin wrote:

And, we can have something we have never had before...a country of our own!

And there is the central, core truth in all this.

That is the only solution, the only recourse, the only option left.

How to achieve that remains to be seen.

 

[SteveMartin]

The Indy run is the answer. Sadly, I am not at all sure anymore that Dr. Paul ever wanted to be President.

 

[Proemio]

The Indy run is the answer. Sadly, I am not at all sure anymore that Dr. Paul ever wanted to be President.

Why be sad? I would never support anyone who WANTED to become president.

A lot of people asked Ron to run. He did so more because "someone has to fix the mess" rather than anything else. That's about the only acceptable (and intelligent) motivation I can think of for anyone to do so. And always remember, Ron responded to requests before, so...

This is far from over - cheer up - the world needs people like you to stay positive...

 

[Andrew76]

Thank goodness there are people here who are still thinking rationally. For a while there I though the only people left on the forums were trolls who were determined to remind us all that "RON PAUL HAS LOST!! WAKE UP FROM DREAMLAND, YOU WEIRDOS!" Never in my life have I met so many jerks, determined to hang around a forum for a politician whom they believe has utterly failed. If he's failed, then take a hike already. What in god's name is the point of hanging around if you're not trying to move things forward? Just watch, I'd bet my mother's life that someone will quote this very message and say, "You just don't get it! It's OVER. Quit drinking the special kool aid, moron!" I've said it a million times, and I'll continue to say it: if you think Ron Paul is finished, and the campaign failed utterly and there's nothing left to do - whatsoever, then please, explain to us all..... what are you still doing here? It's a simple, and very important question.
I refuse to continue to APOLOGIZE for supporting Ron Paul - no matter what - to freaking Ron Paul supporters no less! What is going on? I'm having to defend my continued support for Ron Paul, on a Ron Paul forums page. Am I taking crazy pills? Are you in, or are you out? Those are your two choices, otherwise, go support Obama, sellouts. Yes, I'm implying that if you've given up on Ron Paul, you are in fact a sellout. Why? Because you are.

An independent run. Why? Simple: it will allow Ron Paul to continue to hammer away at his message. There is no single, valid, politician who could touch the level of success that Ron Paul could muster as an independent. He'd say, "I never thought I'd have to do this again, but my supporters demand it, I demand it, and I truly believe that the American people need to hear the truth and they need a true alternative to the false candidates they've been offered. The republican party is nominating a neocon, and as an American who still believes in America, I cannot in good conscience, sit on the sidelines and do nothing. I hereby cast my hat in the ring as an independent candidate for President of the United States." ...[massive cheering follows]... Spare me the "Hello idiot! He's said he'd never run as an independent." Actually, no, he said "never say never." Period. That is a fact.

Bob Barr? The guy who wants the ten commandments carved in stone on state property? I don't think so.

 

[JS4Pat]

An independent run. Why? Simple: it will allow Ron Paul to continue to hammer away at his message. There is no single, valid, politician who could touch the level of success that Ron Paul could muster as an independent. He'd say, "I never thought I'd have to do this again, but my supporters demand it, I demand it, and I truly believe that the American people need to hear the truth and they need a true alternative to the false candidates they've been offered. The republican party is nominating a neocon, and as an American who still believes in America, I cannot in good conscience, sit on the sidelines and do nothing. I hereby cast my hat in the ring as an independent candidate for President of the United States." ...[massive cheering follows]... Spare me the "Hello idiot! He's said he'd never run as an independent." Actually, no, he said "never say never." Period. That is a fact.

I agree - but Ron Paul has to want to do it and he needs to be committed to doing it right.

Not sure he is.

His videos and interviews sound like he is just "hanging around" out of an obligation to us. We need real leadership!

 

[RollOn2day]

Here is what is being missed: The American electorate is a motley mob of feeble minded mush-heads who neither want nor understand peace and liberty.

Oh yeah! I forgot about that!!!

And here is the latest "fastest rising video" to prove it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zsr0UpVjoE
OMG Watch these short interviews with mostly college age kids on spring break on the beach in sunny florida for the real america we are up against. This video would be funny if it were not so sad but I got a real eye opener from it. Wow.

The Anti-Federalist is right! We have seen the enemy...and it is us!

JB....Don...are you still with us?

 

[joemiller]

The electorate

Oh yeah! I forgot about that!!!

And here is the latest "fastest rising video" to prove it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zsr0UpVjoE
OMG Watch these short interviews with mostly college age kids on spring break on the beach in sunny florida for the real america we are up against. This video would be funny if it were not so sad but I got a real eye opener from it. Wow.

The Anti-Federalist is right! We have seen the enemy...and it is us!

JB....Don...are you still with us?

Oh yeah! I forgot about that!!!

JB....Don...are you still with us?

I do not share your opinion of the electorate. Above all, I respect the electorate and I hope someday you would all learn to do likewise. It is the process that is at the heart of the problem, starting with a totally unreliable voting system.

You would think in a country that represents the greatest democracy the world has ever known, it would be important above all else to insure the Peoples' voice be accurately heard. There is no such assurance and that is not an accident.

Whether Dr. Paul succeeds in the upcoming election or not is really not important. As it stands right now, even if somehow he wins the presidential nomination and goes on to win the presidency, he would only be a lone voice in the wilderness. True, it would help the cause immeasurably, but without Congressional support, he would be torn to shreds.

Nevertheless, his, and your, efforts have not been in vain. The R3volution has been started. The message has been heard. Our most important task beyond the election is to lay a solid foundation to carry the R3volution beyond to the next election, and the next, and the next, to always respect the electorate and to help insure their voices be heard.

joe

 

[RollOn2day]

I do not share your opinion of the electorate. Above all, I respect the electorate and I hope someday you would all learn to do likewise.

Fair enough, Joe. I can't argue that the bias against fair and honest distribution of the candidates positions and views is the ultimate insult to fair elections.

But did you watch the video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zsr0UpVjoEThese are the same answers I get locally when I question people about there presidential choice.

Even if people are presented information, (which of course is a monumental problem ) their decision making process would still have to evolve past :

"I'm voting for him because he's black...and that's cool "
or
"I can't voter for her. She's a B%@ch!"
or
"I don't know his policies...I just like him cause he's a Republican."

Today's electorate has an "American Idol" mindset. I do not respect this and it may be closer to the heart of our problems than even the MSM disinformation machine.

Knowing exactly what Ron Paul's (as well as other candidates) policy positions are, is a distinquishing feature of the typical Ron Paul supporter. We don't fall for the MSM lies and misinformation.

Why does the rest of America?

 

[Anti Federalist]

I do not share your opinion of the electorate. Above all, I respect the electorate and I hope someday you would all learn to do likewise. It is the process that is at the heart of the problem, starting with a totally unreliable voting system.

You would think in a country that represents the greatest democracy the world has ever known, it would be important above all else to insure the Peoples' voice be accurately heard. There is no such assurance and that is not an accident.

Whether Dr. Paul succeeds in the upcoming election or not is really not important. As it stands right now, even if somehow he wins the presidential nomination and goes on to win the presidency, he would only be a lone voice in the wilderness. True, it would help the cause immeasurably, but without Congressional support, he would be torn to shreds.

Nevertheless, his, and your, efforts have not been in vain. The R3volution has been started. The message has been heard. Our most important task beyond the election is to lay a solid foundation to carry the R3volution beyond to the next election, and the next, and the next, to always respect the electorate and to help insure their voices be heard.

joe

Since when did we become a "democracy"?

And electorate was heard from, and they rejected peace and freedom and instead voted overwhelmingly for welfare and warfare.

 

[amy31416]

Dammit. It seems we've scared off Jonathan and Don with all this message board insanity.

 

[Ricochet]

Nothing like a few personal attacks from jackass little kids to ruin the best thread we ever had here.

Sorry about them JB and Don. If you look at all the posts grateful for your input, you can see they are a tiny minority. But I suppose it's like turds in a punchbowl, doesn't matter how small they are...

Nor does it help when the moderators themselves are part of the problem. This place sucks, I'm gonna find a better forum for my Ron Paul info.

 

[Debbie Hopper]

I haven't talked to Jonathan for a few days, but he may just be taking a few well-deserved days off from thinking about the campaign....and I would imagie that he's got to focus on finding a job and/or getting his non-profit off the ground.

Jonathan is a real "believer" in RP and the revolution. He'll be back.

Don is wrestling GOP alligators and getting ready to move back to Seattle. I'm sure he'll be around again soon too.

 

[amy31416]

I haven't talked to Jonathan for a few days, but he may just be taking a few well-deserved days off from thinking about the campaign....and I would imagine that he's got to focus on finding a job and/or getting his non-profit off the ground.

Jonathan is a real "believer" in RP and the revolution. He'll be back.

Don is wrestling GOP alligators and getting ready to move back to Seattle. I'm sure he'll be around again soon too.

Good to hear. Thanks Debbie.