Msg from Jonathan Bydlak -- willing to answer questions

also alternatively were JB to precisely answer a narrowcasting question, it would
impact the 2012 campaign in a big way. much of the legit topics are a round robin
monday morning quarterbacking on why all our "Hail Mary" passes came to naught.
much of what he's said has alternatively had to have been said on the inside by HQ.
were Rom Paul to run again as a indepedendent for our november election, this would
go thru funds that are now in a legitimate bank account, it places him again outside
the republican party. upon sensing that ron paul WANTs specific party planks everlasting
to be part of this years platform, and he wants this as proof positive of everyone's efforts,
then i respect his wish not to go thru the motions of an elongating ghettoized LP run!!!
we insted could ask BARRY GOLDWATER jr. to run in lieu of Ron Paul and this would and could
keep the Revolution message up front and part of the debates with the two major candidates!!!
 
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i was toying with the idea of Rand Paul running, and again, Bob Barr
has been tossed into this, however if Barry Goldwater Jr. runs, could
this pull together the older generation who remembers 1964 with the
younger internet actualized generation who now are questioning politics
as usual and the institutionalized apathy that allows an elite who presumes
they are an oligarchy to narrow down the participation in the political proccess...
 
SteveMartin, monies spent now rather foolishly puts in peril
a big and major run by someone VERY close to Ron Paul in 2012
if he at 76 chooses not go go thru what he done just did over
this maddening year and a half. this is a BIG question for HQ!!!
its not a minor one or a petty one. it also is like a four or five
year plan question. how a campaign prioritizes and achieves
its objectives. i did notice on the previous 40 or so pages we
all were getting closer into the nitty~gritty questions that drive
the proccess. each time we all got a qualifier in full honesty, this
is like a binary level on Pascal's triangle being explained. JB has
the ENTIRE campaign's time-sphere etched on his neurons and
synapses. he KNOWs why many of the decisions were made, and
this all legitimately a 120 page book were he so inclined. he also
told us about McGovern in 1972, yet this all has Au-H2O echoes...
 
someone going a tad homophobic also couldahhh got this here thread moved... yah think?
 
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The Admin here :Spirit of 76 is a freaking [gratuitous insults removed... by the way, it's spelled "douche"]

he decided to edit out all of my message and give me an infraction!well here it is... in its entirety!:
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[gratuitous insults once again edited out]


You've have already received multiple infractions for pointlessly insulting other members. You quietly received an infraction for that over-the-top post, but you chose to ignore it and repost your childish rant and then take things even further by insulting me for trying to talk sense into you.

Take a few days off and try to act like an adult when you come back.
 
deputy dawg, yes!!! admin here ain't often caught sleepin'...

Well, it was his response to my polite reminder to try to avoid pointlessly insulting other members, telling my to go kill myself, that indicated I should probably check back in on this thread. :rolleyes:
 
many websites have to censor or edit postings, for there is nothing to say
to admin that ALL posters are actually above the age of 13 who lurk in here
and read the postings. i know in avante guard terms this causes prose to
be bland and proper english, if not conventional, yet we should not assume
vulgar prose is only read by people above the age of 15. this all was in a
public forum and obviously is part of an ongoing national politics level campaign...
any stupidities or vulgarities do indirectly reflect on the candidate if tolerated!!!
 
Methinks thou dost most pressingly needeth a refresher course in proper prose for thyself wouldst thou be understood by others than thine own.
 
kynge jamie, who think roger bacon should not have written out this formula
also thinks gunpowder is from the mind of the devil and the works of the devil...

Please contemplate not spamming this thread. Thanks in advance.

Far too many people seem to have gone off their meds, what the hell is up here?
 
The Vent is viewable only by registered members. Considering some of the topics raised within this thread, which by the way were not Jonathan, it seemed prudent to move the thread. Everyone can still follow it. Is it really an issue? :confused:

Yes it is really an issue. At this point in the game, what difference does it make who sees what? You know as well as anybody that anything that gets moved off of the Grassroots Central (now with a mere 54 viewing...sheesh!) and to any other forum like the Vent (now with 4 viewing....I mean come on!) is destined to end quickly.

That may not be your intention but thats going to be the result.
 
the gay remarks are politically incorrect and a mudslinging excursion!
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/09/11/reax.whitehouse/
did you all know that Reverend Wright had a brief capacity not unlike
billy graham at the clinton whitehouse? this tid-bit of yesteryears factoids!
current campaign observations are a political maven's delight and informative.
these two things, because 35 pages of this thread are politics proper
and extremely polite and mature. unlike the more recent gossipy postings...
 
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Jonathan

I wrote a diatribe outlining my outright anger at HQ on this thread a couple of days ago...but pulled it after only being on for a few minutes. It did not feel right to direct this anger to you, someone who was willing to come voluntarily to this forum and shed some light on this....the mother of all political melt downs. For your courage to be here, I thank and applaud you.

But I am angry, Pissed, Seething, Jumping up and down and curseing mad.

This campaign had:

The best candidate
The best message
The best grassroots

This country has ever had in the last century.

I mean really!!! What does a campaign want that is any different from what HQ had?? You want a better candidate? There isnt any! You want a better message? There isn't any! You want a better, more involved, more passionate grassroots? THERE ISN'T ANY!!!

The failings of this effort has to be laid at the feet of HQ because.....There is no candidate, message or supporter base that will be any better that what HQ had.

I, like most of the supporters I have come in contact with, came across Ron Paul through the grassroots efforts...period.

Practically everything that came out of HQ was met with " What the F@#*???!! Are they trying to kill this thing?"

Thank you for the information that the immigration direct mailer was indeed from HQ.

The thinking that would put this out...and no I don't have to remember who it was targeting...is the same thinking that put out all of the TV ads generated from HQ.

Cheap, cheesy, not at all reflective of Ron Pauls base, destructive and created more hurdles for us to have to jump through when trying to talk to someone about Ron Pauls message which, of course, was no where to be seen in these marketing faux pas.

Not defendable unless the defense is " We had no idea what we were doing."

Does a campaign management team really need a marketing expert or "test group" to tell you that something that looks like it was made by the local cable company for the local furniture store, has no place in a presidential election? Really? Does it need an expert to tell you that something is tasteless, offensive and will downright disgust people? The marketing from HQ could not have been any worse and was heart breaking and demotivating for us on the front lines.

I mean there was actually someone in HQ that looked at the direct mailers and the TV ads and said, "Yes this is our best effort and this ought to get us a groundswell of new voters???"

Whoever pulled the trigger on any of this is a disaster to any political candidate. They should never work for any candidate that they actually want to see get elected at a federal level.

As for the accusations of which sexual preference anyone was in the campaign, I could care less.

Incompetance is what sunk this ship ( and by the way, it is sunk)....not lifestyle preference.

Thank you for doing the best that you could with the experience that you had.

But I've got to tell you, I've been in my industry for over 20 years and am extremely competant in what I do...to a degree. And while my company designs and installs custom electronic systems in Casino's, conference rooms etc If my company were offered a national contract to design and install a NASA electronics facility I would have to have the self knowledge to decline the offer as it would be over my head and an entire nation would be dependent on my success.

As an entire nation was dependent on your success, didn't you think that this was over your head considering that you had no experience at it?

Question: Why would a serious presidential campaign managment team hire someone fresh out of college with no previous experience to handle the most important life blood (fund raising) of the effort?

I mean this JB. How did you get the position? Would you have hired you considering the expertice that would be required for the success of that position?
 
Mr. Bydlak, if you're still with us, I have a question. I have been advocating gaining Dr. Paul ballot access over the summer with an eye to giving us and other liberty minded conservatives a non-"lesser of evils" choice in fall no matter what happens--and more. The more is that it would give Dr. Paul a Sword of Damocles to dangle over the neocons' heads in September. I feel that if Dr. Paul were to ask for such a thing, it would irritate the neocon faction into intransigence, but if we were to do it without encouragement or permission then Dr. Paul could use it to advantage.

I believe it would illustrate in stark relief how exclusionary their policies have been (unless, of course, you are one of the richest five percent of the population, in which case they're very inclusionary). And I think it would demonstrate to the old-line faithful that the future of the party rests with us, and only by taking a cue from Dr. Paul and his ilk will they assure the G.O.P. a future. And, of course, if the economy got bad enough, it might even work without the G.O.P. In any case, it will split their vote if they prove too inflexible.

As noted, Dr. Paul could not possibly say yea without poisoning the waters in which he hopes to swim. As you have no official capacity at this point, may I ask your thoughts on this matter?

And thank you for the considerable time you've invested in this thread!
 
Please contemplate not spamming this thread. Thanks in advance.

Far too many people seem to have gone off their meds, what the hell is up here?


I am going to cleanup this thread by soft-deleting anything that seems off-topic, incoherant, etc.. If anyone has a problem with that, PM me with reasoning why the post was on-topic and I will look at the particular post again.

Note to Aratus; please learn to contain yourself, the multi-quote function works fine. If you don't include references, to who you are responding to, your posts become incoherant

Thanks:)
 
RollOn2day, I respectfully disagree, unless you mean in this century (as in, the one that started eight years ago). Ronald Reagan had movie star looks (even if they had become wrinkled and goitered, he still had charisma), basically the same message (even if he never kept his promises) and arguably a better organization at all levels (he'd run for president two or three times prior and Ron Paul was part of his grass roots). I think your rose colored glasses are making you see red.
 
Question: Why would a serious presidential campaign managment team hire someone fresh out of college with no previous experience to handle the most important life blood (fund raising) of the effort?

I mean this JB. How did you get the position? Would you have hired you considering the expertice that would be required for the success of that position?

In Jon's defense, I know I read an article he wrote (Princeton journal of some type? Found it: http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2008/02/07/19983/) where when they offered him the job, he states that he protested that he did NOT have any experience... (Note: On reading it again, I'm not certain he verbalized it... the article is ambiguous as to whether this was a question in his mind or something he stated, I'm inclined to *think* the latter and give him the benefit of the doubt.)

If so, then the onus would probably be on the ID10T5 who told him that experience did NOT matter. (And even if he DIDN'T protest that fact, the onus would STILL be on the management, as rather obviously, a 24 year old fresh out of college has NO PRIOR EXPERIENCE as the "Fundraising Director" of a major national campaign.)


But regardless of what portion of the credit he deserves for the fund-raising success, rather obviously MONEY was NOT the problem with this campaign... the problem was failure to use it properly.

The hiring of JB as the permanent and SOLE "Fundraising Director" is simply an indicator of the failure of the management to use anything even vaguely resembling "business-like" standards in their practices.
 
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obama's net HQ had people under the age of 30...
obama's people are not older, they are YOUNG!!!
there was a short campaign piece i recently saw
where the major news network anchor person
describes the obama people as being younger, and
being more like the quiet you find in an insurance
company. the Hq looked tres as in very "dilbert"
and cubicle and younger, all people like one half
or 1/3rd my age!!! very bright, articulate and young....
 
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Jeezus Tapdancing Christ on Crutches! This thread has become a cesspool of lunacy!

Jonathan, don't let the recent moonbattery and downright rudeness scare you away. The overwhelming majority of us appreciate your efforts, as well as that you've taken the time to answer our questions.
 
I am going to cleanup this thread by soft-deleting anything that seems off-topic, incoherant, etc.. If anyone has a problem with that, PM me with reasoning why the post was on-topic and I will look at the particular post again.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
 
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