MO - Women refused treatment at hospital, then arrested, then dies in jail.

[PaulConventionWV]

It does give cause to be concerned about the outcome for RP.

IMO, you can't be selective with principles.

Who's being selective? What gives cause to be concerned about the outcome for RP?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Exclusive: RFK's Son Arrested in Westchester Hospital Maternity Unit Clash, Police Say

Communist.

 

[dannno]

If the doctors had specialized in Chinese traditional medicine, they would have been able to look at her tongue and identify the problem. In a case of blood clots they would not have given her a blood thinner. Blood clots form when your body does not have enough blood, gets dry and forms clumps. The solution is to create more blood with the help of herbs. Herbologist know how to do this, doctors don't.

The protocol should be changed. Our medical system should be based on chinese traditional medicine where the issue is some form of chronic illness like this one. Western medicine does not fix chronic illnesses.

In a free market I'd choose this treatment over the medical establishment's treatment any day.

 

[SpicyTurkey]

In 10 years you will have no choice but to receive treatment, or else to jail with your sick ass.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

NO ONE HERE is supporting socialized medicine.
The fact is,, the medical industry* is already socialized. That is the problem and exactly why this happened.

*This is what is really disturbing..

THANK YOU! Finally, someone said it. Although the accusations flew wildly, EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE KNOWS that nobody in this thread is, in all likelihood, supporting Obamacare. You can stop trying to witch-hunt people and shame them into submission by accusing them of supporting state-sponsored care. NOBODY is supporting that, so stop acting like every person who disagrees with you is an Obamacare socialist. The tone in here is absurd.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

If the doctors had specialized in Chinese traditional medicine, they would have been able to look at her tongue and identify the problem. In a case of blood clots they would not have given her a blood thinner. Blood clots form when your body does not have enough blood, gets dry and forms clumps. The solution is to create more blood with the help of herbs. Herbologist know how to do this, doctors don't.

The protocol should be changed. Our medical system should be based on chinese traditional medicine where the issue is some form of chronic illness like this one. Western medicine does not fix chronic illnesses.

I can't + rep you enough for standing up to the "conventional wisdom" of modern medicine, which is all bullshit. I am very interested in Chinese tradition medicine as well as other forms of "alternative medicine". What bothers me the most is when people say that, if that stuff actually worked, it wouldn't be called "alternative." Those people forget to take into account the fact that only allopathic forms of medicine are funded by the government, and the FDA will only approve those forms of medicine. No others are allowed to compete. Accupuncture, kinesiology, and chiropractic have all overcome this bias to some degree, although it will never be completely overcome as long as we do NOT have a free market in healthcare. That is why "alternative" medicine is alternative. If we had a free market, allopathic medicine would be the "loony fringe" stuff, and many alternative types would be commonplace.

 

[azxd]

Oh that's a load of horseshit right there.

We (meaning the immediate AF family) just came through a hospital incident where release was refused, and if pressed, would have resulted in arrest.

The individual seeking treatement can always refuse said treatment ... That doesn not mean the family can refuse treatment for the one who has been admitted.

 

[azxd]

That is irrelevant. In a free market a hospital would tell them there is nothing they can do and ask them to leave. If they didn't have a place to go they would suggest the closest religious or otherwise voluntary non-state funded homeless shelter. If they still wouldn't leave then they would use private security to escort them off of the premises. What they wouldn't do is put a crippled mother in jail.




Bull fucking shit you choose your own doctors, you are living in a dream land. Your insurance company chooses them. Your insurance company paid millions of dollars to elect Obama, you actually believe there is ANY semblance to the free market within our health care system?! Free market health care is a lot more than people paying for their own care, it would allow people to pay for WHATEVER care they wanted HOWEVER they wanted rather than the government contrived medical establishment that tells us what treatments we are allowed to have.

I pay for my own insurance and I get a list of like two doctors I can see. I pay for my insurance through my company because it is all tax deductible for me and my company. If I could get tax deductible insurance outside my company or better yet if they decreased the tax rate significantly and ended the tax deductible corporate health care system we have then I would opt for a higher salary and I would get my own catastrophic health insurance plan. Then I would go see doctors who utilize the types of medicines that work best for me (natural medicines). They would get more patients because the government wouldn't prevent them from advertising their medical claims, so the market can test those claims and bring the prices down through competition.

Right now there is zero competition because the FDA and the AMA completely control medicine, and they are run by the same people who funded Obama's campaign. Look it up.

Cry me a river, Danno ... You can speak for yourself, yet have no clue what I am capable of.

 

[azxd]

Well, it obviously has to be somebody's fault. Certainly it's not the fault of the medical community who mistakenly assumed that a woman who lived in the gutter might possibly be exhibiting drug seeking behavior when their battery of tests all indicated there was no medical issue.

They should never have assumed that just because she lived looked and acted like a crazy person that she might actually behaving a brief moment of rationality.

That would be profiling, and we can't have that.

Yea, it has to be somebodies fault ... That's why some people are bitching and claiming they know better than the hospital staff

 

[azxd]

Who's being selective? What gives cause to be concerned about the outcome for RP?

A developed conclusion that some of his supporters are as selective in their support as they are in their understanding of the principles he promotes.

 

[azxd]

THANK YOU! Finally, someone said it. Although the accusations flew wildly, EVERY SINGLE PERSON HERE KNOWS that nobody in this thread is, in all likelihood, supporting Obamacare. You can stop trying to witch-hunt people and shame them into submission by accusing them of supporting state-sponsored care. NOBODY is supporting that, so stop acting like every person who disagrees with you is an Obamacare socialist. The tone in here is absurd.

So is the unjustified hate that some foment daily.

 

[Domalais]

In a free market I'd choose this treatment over the medical establishment's treatment any day.

In a free market, this woman would have died without any medical treatment whatsoever.

 

[Anti Federalist]

The individual seeking treatement can always refuse said treatment ... That doesn not mean the family can refuse treatment for the one who has been admitted.

Go sell your story to this poor bastard:

After he allegedly escaped unnecessary chest surgery, a Maryland man says he was detained, beaten, and repeatedly called a "bitch" by security at Prince George's Hospital in Cheverly, Md., as he attempted to seek medical care elsewhere.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellne...beaten-hospital-guards-sues/story?id=11487637

 

[Anti Federalist]

In a free market, this woman would have died without any medical treatment whatsoever.

Not true at all.

Released from the nightmarish regulatory and insurance shackles, doctors would be free to perform much more pro bono work.

Like Ron Paul did.

 

[Domalais]

Not true at all.

Released from the nightmarish regulatory and insurance shackles, doctors would be free to perform much more pro bono work.

Like Ron Paul did.

I would also be free to build my own space program.

Both outcomes are equally likely.

 

[Anti Federalist]

So is the unjustified hate that some foment daily.

If there was any "hate" in this thread, it was squarely directed at those who thought that a little more compassion and humanity could have been shown toward a dying woman, rather than just throwing her in the hoosegow to croak, alone.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I would also be free to build my own space program.

Both outcomes are equally likely.

Why?

Private space endeavors are making great strides forward.

Government didn't invent heavier than air flight.

In fact, government turned the Wright brothers down cold, at first.

 

[Domalais]

Private space endeavors are making great strides competing for government money.

FTFY

 

[pcosmar]

FTFY

http://www.virgingalactic.com/
http://www.spaceadventures.com/

 

[fisharmor]

I would also be free to build my own space program.

Both outcomes are equally likely.

Someday you might want to look into the actual origin of the word "hospital".
I think you'll be surprised at what you find.