Mitt Romney: Take Down the Confederate Flag Immediately

Really? In South Carolina I rarely see Ron Paul supporters. In Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio, they are quite common.
Yes really, in Texas anyway. All the people I know who are involved in historical Confederate groups supported Ron Paul, as far as I know.

I am not involved in any of those groups, but I know a lot of people who are.
 
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Yes really, in Texas anyway. Everyone I know who is involved in Sons of Confederate veterans, all the people I know who are involved in historical Confederate groups supported Ron Paul, as far as I know.

I guess it's a Texan thing. Because most people I've met who defend the Confederacy also defend the legacy of George W. Bush.
 
I wasn't defending the North,

Nor am I defending the South - except insofar as I am defending the right of secession.

Otherwise, to hell with them. They were human-chattel slavers. 'Nuff said.

I'm just saying that slavery was the reason for secession and that is well documented.

Agreed 100%. I'm just saying that their "reasons for secession" and the "reasons for the war" are disjoint sets - or at least, their intersection does not include slavery.

Lincoln was perceived as an abolitionist in the South

Of course he was. A nice bit of useful propaganda, that - an easy way to rally & rile up the base (rather like interventionists conveniently "perceiving" Ron Paul as an "isolationist" ...)

But regardless of how he was perceived in the South, Lincoln was not, in fact, an abolitionist.

and the Republican Party was an abolitionist party.

The extent of their abolitionism appears to have been mostly restricted to a desire to prevent slavery from expanding into the western territories - a desire that largely seems to have been motivated not by any particular moral abhorrence of slavery, but rather to an eminently "practical" wish to prevent the bloc of slave states from gaining any more representation (and, hence, power) in the national legislature.

As a party, they were certainly not principled abolitionists (like William Lloyd Garrison). It is worth noting that the aforementioned "Corwin amendment" (which would have enshrined slavery in perpetuo, as far as the federal government was concerned) was conceived, authored and proposed by Thomas Corwin - a Republican congressman from Ohio - and was, as mentioned, supported by newly-elected president Abraham Lincoln, who was also a Republican ...
 
To be honest, I didn't read all of the posts, but did anyone mention the establishment using this "controversy" as a means to misdirect the conversation?

They do this every so often and it always seems to work. Racial division is a powerful tool in their arsenal.
 
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Aww, poor thing.

How some of you support the Confederacy is beyond me. Slavery and the Confederacy is the antithesis to liberty. You also don't have to be a supporter of Abraham Lincoln and the north to realize how awful the Confederacy was.
 
If he respected states rights, he as a political figure from another state wouldn't voice an opinion as he is not a SC resident.

Being in favor of states' rights doesn't mean that you can't voice your opinion about laws in other states. That's just an absurd interpretation of states' rights. States' rights simply means that you oppose federal laws that overturn laws passed by state legislatures or the people in the various states.
 
How some of you support the Confederacy is beyond me. Slavery and the Confederacy is the antithesis to liberty. You also don't have to be a supporter of Abraham Lincoln and the north to realize how awful the Confederacy was.

The Confederacy no longer exists. The Confederate flag exists as a rememberance of the thousands who died in the war. I don't see anyone here supporting slavery so where do you get that and how can someone support something that no longer exists?
 
"Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol. To many, it is a symbol of racial
hatred. Remove it now to honor #Charleston victims." MITT ROMNEY in 2015 on Twitter

All during 2o12 he had me guessing about his stances on the many issues of the day, and now that
he's not running for the presidency he's starting to speak his mind??? This being said before i EVEN
wade into the basic question over where and how a Confederate flag ought to be flown and why!!!!
 
Anyone that believes that the North, in it's entirety, rose up to "free the slaves from bondage" or that the South, in it's entirety, rose up to "keep the slaves shackled" has had their blinders of public re-education and media manipulation on so long that is just easier for them to ignore the facts that are on either side of the road.

It's not true that the Civil War was entirely about slavery, and that the north was fighting to free the slaves and the south was fighting to preserve slavery. Obviously it's far more complex than that. But neither is it true that the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery as some claim. The truth is more nuanced and is somewhere in between. The north didn't use slavery as a reason for fighting the Civil War until near the very end of the war, and it's not likely that the north in the beginning wanted to fight the war in order to end slavery. At the same time, the south did indeed secede from the union mostly to preserve slavery, as they stated in their written documents detailing why they wanted to secede.
 
The Confederacy no longer exists. The Confederate flag exists as a rememberance of the thousands who died in the war. I don't see anyone here supporting slavery so where do you get that and how can someone support something that no longer exists?

So while some in this forum are arguing that the confederate flag is about slavery...this is the new slavery flag--for us all.

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"None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free."
 
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The Confederacy no longer exists. The Confederate flag exists as a rememberance of the thousands who died in the war. I don't see anyone here supporting slavery so where do you get that and how can someone support something that no longer exists?

They seemed to at least be arguing that the Confederacy was on the right side of the Civil War, and I just don't agree. I do agree that the north and Abraham Lincoln weren't the heroic anti slavery crusaders that history books make them out to be, but that doesn't mean that the Confederacy was any better or any more pro liberty than the north.
 
Welp, not in SC.

Yeah, people on this forum are defending the views of people who are most likely the same people who booed Ron in the SC GOP debate for saying that our government should follow the golden rule in foreign policy.
 
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