Mitt Romney lost because he ostracized us

[CPUd]

I don't mind taking credit for part of it, but we need to frame it differently. As it stands right now, the GOP looks upon us as sore losers and the enemy of their party. We're worse than democrats to them right now. We want to the GOP to embrace us, not fight against us every step of the way. This election every single candidate strove to be the anti-Romney, and the pro-Tea Party. We want to continue that tradition.

The way some of them are acting right now, I don't think they're gonna be able to say anything about RP folks being sore losers. Last night I watched a group of people who put all their trust in Karl Rove and Dick Morris, and when Mitt said he only wrote 1 speech for last night, they started having victory parties at their homes. Over the course of the evening, the fear and doubt started to creep in. The ones who were most vocal about it got kicked off the chat. Then it started turning ugly, with half in denial and the other half blowing sunshine and lollipops up their asses. Then their true nature started creeping out, the hate started showing. First it was Dick Morris, then it was Christie, the hurricane, the voting machines, Bill OReilly, Sarah Palin, Ron Paul, the tea party, evangelicals, the illegals, the communists, the libertarians, the young voters, the state of Wisconsin, the Bushes, ... the list is still getting longer.

But what I noticed the most was, once the Mitt staff abandoned the site, a few tiny voices coming through all the hate getting louder, questioning the media, their elected leaders, the monetary system- there was even someone questioning themselves, and whether or not some of the stuff they pulled during the primaries was the right thing to do. Some of them vow to turn off the TV, and go outside, learn to do things on their land. Many similarities with some of the things that we talk about over here. And keep in mind, the hardcore Mittsters have been campaigning since 2007, just like some of the folks in here, and their campaign came to a suudden and unexpected end last night.

A handful of people who were over there, I had some issues with, because I know they were behind some of the shit that got pulled during the conventions, in particular, the fearmongering, and the drowning out of any opinion contrary to the approved opinion. I did get some satisfaction last night at their expense, and they'll go back to Boston and DC, until 2016 when they sign on with the next neocon.

But the rank and file over there, I think some of them are getting good and woke. Just like some of the folks here now did after voting for McCain. They'll be along soon. Some of them wish to rebuild the party and do it right, others will just be looking for someone besides themselves to blame. For the latter, direct them to the vote flipping thread LOL they will stay down that rabbit hole for months.

 

[ninepointfive]

I'm from Ohio and voted against both of them. I seriously stood at the booth and considered writing in Vermin Supreme as a way of giving both parties the middle finger.

He's a tyrant you can trust!

 

[supermario21]

Just figured it out. If you assume that less than 1% of RP supporters in the primaries voted for Romney, Paul's support would have allowed Romney to carry Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, and New Hampshire. That would have been enough. We did make a difference. And now we have 5 senators to count on (Flake, Cruz, DeMint, Lee, and Rand).

 

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

And keep in mind, the hardcore Mittsters have been campaigning since 2007, just like some of the folks in here, and their campaign came to a suudden and unexpected end last night..

Is the wicked witch of the right at last dead?

 

[sailingaway]

The way some of them are acting right now, I don't think they're gonna be able to say anything about RP folks being sore losers. Last night I watched a group of people who put all their trust in Karl Rove and Dick Morris, and when Mitt said he only wrote 1 speech for last night, they started having victory parties at their homes. Over the course of the evening, the fear and doubt started to creep in. The ones who were most vocal about it got kicked off the chat. Then it started turning ugly, with half in denial and the other half blowing sunshine and lollipops up their asses. Then their true nature started creeping out, the hate started showing. First it was Dick Morris, then it was Christie, the hurricane, the voting machines, Bill OReilly, Sarah Palin, Ron Paul, the tea party, evangelicals, the illegals, the communists, the libertarians, the young voters, the state of Wisconsin, the Bushes, ... the list is still getting longer.

But what I noticed the most was, once the Mitt staff abandoned the site, a few tiny voices coming through all the hate getting louder, questioning the media, their elected leaders, the monetary system- there was even someone questioning themselves, and whether or not some of the stuff they pulled during the primaries was the right thing to do. Some of them vow to turn off the TV, and go outside, learn to do things on their land. Many similarities with some of the things that we talk about over here. And keep in mind, the hardcore Mittsters have been campaigning since 2007, just like some of the folks in here, and their campaign came to a suudden and unexpected end last night.

A handful of people who were over there, I had some issues with, because I know they were behind some of the shit that got pulled during the conventions, in particular, the fearmongering, and the drowning out of any opinion contrary to the approved opinion. I did get some satisfaction last night at their expense, and they'll go back to Boston and DC, until 2016 when they sign on with the next neocon.

But the rank and file over there, I think some of them are getting good and woke. Just like some of the folks here now did after voting for McCain. They'll be along soon. Some of them wish to rebuild the party and do it right, others will just be looking for someone besides themselves to blame. For the latter, direct them to the vote flipping thread LOL they will stay down that rabbit hole for months.

I agree. Once again, the election aftermath is a teachable moment, if we can manage not to be assholes about it.

 

[sailingaway]

Just figured it out. If you assume that less than 1% of RP supporters in the primaries voted for Romney, Paul's support would have allowed Romney to carry Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, and New Hampshire. That would have been enough. We did make a difference. And now we have 5 senators to count on (Flake, Cruz, DeMint, Lee, and Rand).

Flake voted to extend the Patriot act and played establishment games once he decided to run for Senate. He was better than the alternative, but I wouldn't call him someone to count on. DeMint is a work in progress but I agree he is principled. Lee can be counted on to be Lee, which is in the top three of the Senate. Cruz, I'll watch but I won't count on him until he has a record. Rand is the best we have in the Senate.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Mitt Romney seized political power at the RNC through his lawyers and I am not the least bit sorry for him or anyone who voted for him.

 

[alucard13mmfmj]

 

[ninepointfive]

I love the internet

 

[DeMintConservative]

I just hope they give us credit for his loss.

I have talked to and read dozens of republicans about this and I've yet to meet one who mentioned Ron Paul voters (or, for that matter, Gary Johnson).

I don't think anyone will believe this was a factor - I doubt people will even think about it - except some of you here.

Reasons:

1 - The numbers don't even come close. Even a 51%-48% Romney win in the popular vote wouldn't be enough to win the election. The tipping state is Colorado that he'll lost by almost five points.

2 - There is a huge credibility problem. Romney didn't lose because he ostracised you. Most of you would never vote for Romney - or any other Republican except Ron Paul - regardless of what Romney had done: just read this forum. This is just a pretext.

3 - This is hugely important: Romney over-performed the "liberty candidates", candidates endorsed by Ron Paul and candidates endorsed by Rand Paul. Bentivolio and Amash. The down ticket candidates in New Hampshire (that were decimated). Those Senate candidates that Ron Paul endorsed like Connie Mack and Denny Rehberg. He did better than Rehberg by 14 points. Better than Flake by 7 points. Better than Mack by 13 points.

Rand Paul cut robocalls and spent money helping Mourdock and Akin. Romney over-performed them by gigantic margins. And Kurt Bills lost his race by 35 points - while Romney lost MN by 7 points. You can do the math.

What people are thinking when they look at the results is that candidates to the right of Romney did even worse. And at least in swing states, they did. Ron Paul endorsements proved to be worth very little - which is not surprising to me as I've been reading this site lately.

In the end, most hardcore Ron Paul supporters (his soft supporters voted Romney) and Libertarians will never vote for a GOP candidate, regardless of who that is (I'd comfortably include Rand Paul in here). The later are just sectaries - I was just checking results and they run a candidate against Amash who got 3% of the vote!! Not even Amash is good enough for them. That's just the "Chirping Sectary" vote. Most Ron Paul hardcore supporters are a bit like that too or they simply don't have any solid affinity with conservatism in terms of ideology and happen to support Ron Paul because they like his positions on foreign policy and mistake his position on fiat currency and his attacks on rent-seeking with the typical economic populism.

So there's basically no reason to go after those voters when not only they'd refuse to reach any type of compromise, it'd imply losing much more voters in the middle. The trade-off just isn't worth it.

 

[sailingaway]

CO was only the tipping point because he lost Florida and Ohio. Check out the numbers there.

Your bias is to minimize our influence. I really wonder why you come here, to be honest. I'm not suggesting you be kicked off, it just puzzles me.

 

[DeMintConservative]

CO was only the tipping point because he lost Florida and Ohio. Check out the numbers there.

Your bias is to minimize our influence. I really wonder why you come here, to be honest. I'm not suggesting you be kicked off, it just puzzles me.

I don't think you understand. CO is the tipping point after winning FL and OH. Winning FL and OH wouldn't be enough. Plus, do you really want me to believe the same Ron Paul supporters who wouldn't vote a guy personally endorsed and commended by Paul like Mack would actually vote for a moderate pragmatic like Romney if it wasn't for the "ostracized" factor? C'mon.

I have no idea what do you mean with the 2nd sentence. You have the influence you have. I used facts, not wishful thinking.

 

[twomp]

I don't think you understand. CO is the tipping point after winning FL and OH. Winning FL and OH wouldn't be enough. Plus, do you really want me to believe the same Ron Paul supporters who wouldn't vote a guy personally endorsed and commended by Paul like Mack would actually vote for a moderate pragmatic like Romney if it wasn't for the "ostracized" factor? C'mon.

I have no idea what do you mean with the 2nd sentence. You have the influence you have. I used facts, not wishful thinking.

You sure about that? You seem to WISH you were an American lololol

 

[Czolgosz]

I love the idea this race was close enough that we may have had a major influence on their loss. Douchebags.


Just means I'll be rocking my RP2012 sticker for a long time...trolling for anger.

 

[supermario21]

DeMint is wrong on several extents and here is why.

1) The Liberty candidates had stronger Democratic opponents given their district. Would you really expect any Republican to outperform a conservative Democrat in a state like Kentucky? Keep this in mind: Kentucky is a pretty Democratic state. It's just that they don't support liberals. Any blue dog is going to outperform the top of the ticket. Same with Amash. Amash's opponent was a conservative who was trying to play the neocon card by being a supporter of Israel and supposedly more pro-life.

2) Name recognition and campaign strength. Kurt Bills was overmatched by an opponent who had experience, more money, and a better campaign machine. If anything, it's a knock on the Romney campaign that they never did anything for Bills.

 

[acptulsa]

I don't think you understand. CO is the tipping point after winning FL and OH. Winning FL and OH wouldn't be enough. Plus, do you really want me to believe the same Ron Paul supporters who wouldn't vote a guy personally endorsed and commended by Paul like Mack would actually vote for a moderate pragmatic like Romney if it wasn't for the "ostracized" factor? C'mon.

I have no idea what do you mean with the 2nd sentence. You have the influence you have. I used facts, not wishful thinking.

I have no idea what you meant by the fourth sentence. It was such a long and run together collection of phrases I'm wondering if you're German.

As for wishful thinking, today DeMint is wishing the Republicans had listened to us so they could have won a few more races. If you're still interested in his opinions...

 

[TheGrinch]

This is so true. I have people tell me everyday that they wish Ron Paul would've won because they would've voted for him. Both on the left and right (they didn't vote).

This. Haven't read the rest of the thread, but it's a mistake to just focus on the votes for Johnson, Goode, etc., and write-ins for Dr. Paul.

I do not beleive at all that they're the only voters that Romney lost and the republican party could have gained by nominating Dr. Paul. There were plenty who assuredly stayed home rather than making a protest vote that wouldn't change the outcome, and most likely plenty who voted for Obama, but would rather not have had it been for a better candidate on either side of the aisle.

Go out and talk to people and see how sick most are about the hacks the establishment on both aisles push out. People are definitely waking up, and the establishment can only maintain their control for so long... Keep fighting the good fight folks!

 

[CPUd]

I don't think you understand. CO is the tipping point after winning FL and OH. Winning FL and OH wouldn't be enough. Plus, do you really want me to believe the same Ron Paul supporters who wouldn't vote a guy personally endorsed and commended by Paul like Mack would actually vote for a moderate pragmatic like Romney if it wasn't for the "ostracized" factor? C'mon.

I have no idea what do you mean with the 2nd sentence. You have the influence you have. I used facts, not wishful thinking.

LOL your namesake begs to differ:

 

[acptulsa]

This. Haven't read the rest of the thread, but it's a mistake to just focus on the votes for Johnson, Goode, etc., and write-ins for Dr. Paul.

I do not beleive at all that they're the only voters that Romney lost and the republican party could have gained by nominating Dr. Paul. There were plenty who assuredly stayed home rather than making a protest vote that wouldn't change the outcome, and most likely plenty who voted for Obama, but would rather not have had it been for a better candidate on either side of the aisle.

Go out and talk to people and see how sick most are about the hacks the establishment on both aisles push out. People are definitely waking up, and the establishment can only maintain their control for so long... Keep fighting the good fight folks!

Romney didn't lose because he ostracized us. He lost because he was the same thing as Obama only more frightening.

The G.O.P. couldn't have squeaked this out by nominating Ron Paul. The G.O.P. could have kicked Obama's dog ass out in a most astoundingly resounding manner by nominating Ron Paul.

Fox wasn't mistaken about who was and who wasn't electable. They lied outright about it.

And that's the way it is.

 

[cajuncocoa]

CO was only the tipping point because he lost Florida and Ohio. Check out the numbers there.

Your bias is to minimize our influence. I really wonder why you come here, to be honest. I'm not suggesting you be kicked off, it just puzzles me.

You're not alone. I've wondered that for awhile now.