Mitt Romney lost because he ostracized us

[GunnyFreedom]

Yeah, you are right, he TOTALLY respected Ron Paul this cycle. HE cheated our delegates out of their seats and decided that he'd rather have Clint Eastwood speak then let Ron Paul speak....

This. I was a delegate to Tampa. I know better.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Partially true, but I think there is a divide between libertarian conservatives and GOP conservatives that needs to be ironed out. Otherwise the leftists will just overtake us and dance in their little genderqueer/antiheteronormative/egalitarian fantasy.

Romney was a good candidate: in the four years from 2008 he did learn to respect Ron Paul. I remember him and Giuliani laughing while Ron Paul spoke, but that didn't happen this cycle and in fact Romney (or Paul) invited the other to have dinner together. They're both good people but the conservative movement in america is so fucking lost that we focus on bullshit issues while ignoring the important ones, thinking that the psychos are the key to success.

Dude, Romney was never a conservative. Even Krauthammer called him what he really is, last night. A Massachusetts liberal. Romney is exactly what his father before him was; a big government Rockefeller-Republican.

 

[LibertyEagle]

This is why I've never understood the meme of "bringing the GOP back to its roots". I know Ron Paul himself has said this, and it may be the only thing he's said that makes me shake my head in disbelief.

Once upon a time, there was a huge faction in the GOP who believed in limited constitutional government, free markets, individual liberty, a strong national defense (not offense), personal privacy, personal responsibility and states' "rights".

These people are part of the remnant that Ron Paul so often talks about.

 

[BucksforPaul]

I wrote down the numbers for Romney/RP about an hour ago and I'll start a thread on it I guess.

+rep Thanks

 

[parocks]

Once upon a time, there was a huge faction in the GOP who believed in limited constitutional government, free markets, individual liberty, a strong national defense (not offense), personal privacy, personal responsibility and states' "rights".

These people are part of the remnant that Ron Paul so often talks about.

those are the true conservatives

 

[parocks]

I feel the liberty movement appeals to all americans of different races and creeds, something the current party knows little about.

When the policies of both candidates are basically the same, the only differences are stylistic, and it just appears that Romney appeals to Rich Old White Christians and Obama appeals to other than that. But they're selling the same thing. Obama has been in charge of the worst economy since the depression and Romney could barely improve on McCain. If you look at the number of votes, Romney got fewer of them than McCain did in a lot of places. People were really not having either one of these guys.

 

[parocks]

Or really bad for us!!! The last thing we want to do is take credit for the loss. We want the GOP to own this baby

We don't want to say "Ron Paul Supporters" did this. We want to say "Conservatives" did this. Turnout was down. Romney did worse than McCain in terms of the number
of votes in many places. McCain was running against a historic first. Romney was running against 4 years of the worst economy since the depression. It should've been
easier for Romney, and he did worse. Democrats and Republicans and Independents did stay home. New York Times website has a county by county map where you can compare the number of votes in 2008 and 2012 for the candidates.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/states/maine - there are also some exit poll year comparisons there.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

Mitt Romney lost because fewer people voted for the Republican, or more precisely, fewer people are voting Republican, period. Perhaps in response to the lack of a true GOP conservative being on the ballot, increasingly over the past few election cycles, conservatives have stayed home.

2004: 62 million voted for Bush, 59 million voted for Kerry.

2008: 69 million voted for Obama, 59 million voted for McCain.

2012: 59 million voted for Obama, 57 million voted for Romney.

If just the missing 2 million from '08 had shown up, the outcome might have been different for Romney. Despite all the get out the vote talk, the growing trend is that Republicans are not coming out to vote for lackluster, establishment moderates. Hmmm, what candidate would have changed this trend?

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/11/republican-turnout-in-2012-election-less-than-2008-and-2004/

 

[itshappening]

I'm not convinced Ron would have beaten Obama. The Democrat smear machine would have been out in force over the newsletter's and telling Ohioans they cant have an autio bailout is a tough sell.

Being able to logic bomb Obama in the debates would have been entertaining but the debates rarely swing elections.

People are not ready for Ron Paul yet, he's way before his time.