Mitt Romney lost because he ostracized us

[jbauer]

Haha! LMAO! Fuck Romney! Hey GOP, I thought you didn't need Ron Paul supporters to win?

This is what happens when you cheat Ron Paul, his supporters and his Primary delegates and try to force us to vote for the Obama clone uber liberal Romney!

FUCK YOU!

Couldn't have said it better myself

 

[liveandletlive]

how is Rand taking this?

why is Lew ripping Rand apart like Rand destroyed his career

 

[GunnyFreedom]

how is Rand taking this?

why is Lew ripping Rand apart like Rand destroyed his career

Because libertarians eat their young.

Which has to stop, or we will never win.

 

[jbauer]

We need more analysis like this in several states and make it go viral. Showing dominance after a devastating loss for Romney would be great for our movement.

Or really bad for us!!! The last thing we want to do is take credit for the loss. We want the GOP to own this baby

 

[jmdrake]

how is Rand taking this?

why is Lew ripping Rand apart like Rand destroyed his career

Link on Lew?

 

[sailingaway]

Not true for me, at least. I had even told my family a few weeks before the convention that'd I had accepted the inevitable, and would vote for Romney in the general election. He and his RNC cronies screwed that up.

I'd grudgingly decided if he made RON VP I'd have voted for RON (I find it hard not to vote for Ron.)

but he screwed that up....

 

[sailingaway]

Or really bad for us!!! The last thing we want to do is take credit for the loss. We want the GOP to own this baby

They do. Because they didn't include us fairly in the process, and because special interests manipulated the outcome to a nominee only the beltway wanted.

The two go together.

 

[puppetmaster]

I believe that If Ron Paul had been the nominee that we would retain most all the republican votes and pick up several million independent votes and win this by a large margin.

I think they(TPTB) know this and did not allow it to happen. This is an orchestrated event. They are very good at what they do and people in general are clueless.

 

[Okie RP fan]

how is Rand taking this?

why is Lew ripping Rand apart like Rand destroyed his career

Because Rand chose to play the game that ultimately, after last night, made him look like a fool. He CHOSE to play for the losing team to temporarily save face.

I have faith that Rand can come back to his senses. We need him for 2016, whether people agree or not. Our field is already extremely narrow.

 

[Mini-Me]

Because Rand chose to play the game that ultimately, after last night, made him look like a fool. He CHOSE to play for the losing team to temporarily save face.

I have faith that Rand can come back to his senses. We need him for 2016, whether people agree or not. Our field is already extremely narrow.

...guys, are you for REAL? Rand was EXPECTING Romney to lose. He was HOPING for Romney to lose, and I've been saying this ALL ALONG. He made his endorsement at a time when Romney looked completely unelectable to almost our entire camp, like there was no chance in hell he could win, with the expectation that Obama would crush him in the debates (which didn't happen, so it was a closer call than he had calculated). He knew in advance that the vast majority of us would not actually listen to him and vote for Romney, and if we had, the whole thing would have fallen apart. His words were not meant for us, and they weren't to fool the establishment either (because he never could). It was for the benefit of the Fox News-watching Republican base.

In what world would it have been better for Rand if Romney won? Seriously, think about it. The way things went, he now looks to be a "team player" to the Republican base, and that will be fresh in their minds for 2016 (in the sense of, Fox has no "traitor" ammo to hit him with), while he has four years to prove himself to us with his voting record...and hopefully, enough people in our camp are smart enough to actually pay attention to that instead of what he's saying to get a broad support base. Too many people here are being led by their emotions like dogs on a leash. If Romney had won, Rand's next shot would be 2020 at the earliest, and the "team loyalty" points would have long worn off after a grueling four years (at least) dealing with Romney's awful Presidential record. Consider: This election cycle, the neocons may have been following Bush's platform, but nobody exactly went out of their way to seek some highly coveted Bush endorsement, and they kind of tried to pretend like he never existed and hadn't already had his chance as President. They distanced themselves from Bush despite the obvious connections, because it was the only way to sell themselves as a new solution. If Romney had become President, the same would have happened to him by the time Rand ran. Rand is not playing checkers. He's playing chess. He's not always playing it in a way that sits well with our trust issues, and his choices aren't my favorite for that reason, but he's still a great deal smarter than some of you are giving him credit for.

 

[A. Havnes]

Or really bad for us!!! The last thing we want to do is take credit for the loss. We want the GOP to own this baby

I don't mind taking credit for part of it, but we need to frame it differently. As it stands right now, the GOP looks upon us as sore losers and the enemy of their party. We're worse than democrats to them right now. We want to the GOP to embrace us, not fight against us every step of the way. This election every single candidate strove to be the anti-Romney, and the pro-Tea Party. We want to continue that tradition.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Why do we want to perpetuate the meme that we're spoilers?

We weren't the spoilers. They were the spoilers; they spoiled it for themselves when they disenfranchised us.

If I'm understanding eleganz correctly, in the post to which you responded, we want them to know they can't win by locking us out.

I probably would not have voted for Romney anyway, but other Ron Paul Republicans may have voted for him if they hadn't treated our delegates the way they did at the convention. It would not have cost Romney anything to seat our delegates, but it may have cost him the election by NOT doing so.

 

[affa]

Why do we want to perpetuate the meme that we're spoilers?

I can answer that. If we say nothing, in time, we're going to get scapegoated, blamed, and generally thrown under the bus. Heck, people still call Perot a spoiler. It's an easy out for people that don't want to take responsibility for a badly run campaign or a poorly selected nominee (or that don't understand the fix was in, but that's a different story).

That is why we need to get out in front of this. We need to point out that their mistreatment of us cost them the election. We need to point out that their 'electable' nominee was massively disliked, and had more of an anti-Obama fanbase than a pro-Romney fanbase.... while they squelched a once-in-a-lifetime massive grassroots force named Ron Paul as 'unelectable'.

If we are upfront about it, and our reasons then we own it and it empowers us. We are not spoilers, but defenders of liberty. We warned them, and they didn't listen. We followed their rules, and they cheated us. We showed our numbers, and they insulted us.

They spoiled this election, not us. We need to define the narrative, or we give up that power and we actually will end up being 'spoilers' when they get around to playing the blame game.

 

[VBRonPaulFan]

just worked the numbers out for VA.

Dr. Paul received 107,470 votes in the GOP VA Primary
The difference between Obama and Romney in Florida is 107,337 in favor of Obama

 

[twomp]

They CAN NOT win without us. Last night proved this. The GOP will go the same way as the Whig party if they continue to ignore us. It's already too late. We have the right ideas. We have the youth on our side. We will only continue to grow. Do they really think that in 2014 and 2016 we will simply forget about our liberties, our foreign intervention, or the Federal Reserve?

WE ARE THE FUTURE and we are only going to grow bigger. VIVA LA rEVOLution!

 

[sailingaway]

I don't mind taking credit for part of it, but we need to frame it differently. As it stands right now, the GOP looks upon us as sore losers and the enemy of their party. We're worse than democrats to them right now. We want to the GOP to embrace us, not fight against us every step of the way. This election every single candidate strove to be the anti-Romney, and the pro-Tea Party. We want to continue that tradition.

Every candidate strove to be Ron Paul's platform without being Ron Paul. It is the last part that is the problem. We need sincere candidates.

 

[jolynna]

Every candidate strove to be Ron Paul's platform without being Ron Paul. It is the last part that is the problem. We need sincere candidates.

Maybe IF nominee Romney had strove HARDER and been AGAINST the NDAA instead of trashing the bill of rights as happily as his opponent did, voting for Romney would have been a consideration.

You can't win people to your side (not the ones that have "don't tread on me" flags waving in their yards) by saying in advance of the election you are anti-freedom.

The "establishment GOP" did NOTHING to woo us. They didn't offer up so much as a stick of gum, let alone dinner before they expected us to hop in bed with them. (They COULDN'T give Dr. Paul a 15 minute speech at the convention??? Or get the bus to the convention on time???)

The establishment GOP LOST when they chose the most pro-bank, big government, freedom-stealing candidate they could find and then shoved him down our throats by CHEATING and then called us sore losers when we didn't jump on their bandwagon and thank them for making such a wise decision for us.

They EARNED the results they got.

In my opinion.

 

[sailingaway]

Maybe IF nominee Romney had strove HARDER and been AGAINST the NDAA instead of trashing the bill of rights as happily as his opponent did, voting for Romney would have been a consideration.

You can't win people to your side (not the ones that have "don't tread on me" flags waving in their yards) by saying in advance of the election you are anti-freedom.

The "establishment GOP" did NOTHING to woo us. They didn't offer up so much as a stick of gum, let alone dinner before they expected us to hop in bed with them. (They COULDN'T give Dr. Paul a 15 minute speech at the convention??? Or get the bus with to the convention on time???)

The establishment GOP LOST when they chose the most pro-bank, big government, freedom-stealing candidate they could find and then shoved him down our throats by CHEATING and then called us sore losers when we didn't jump on their bandwagon and thank them for making such a wise decision for us.

They EARNED the results they got.

In my opinion.

Actually, I think that speaks for a lot of us.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

'GOP's Star Chamber of 10 Fat Men'... wish someone that's on the inside, would eventually sell the script for a movie. BlackOut on what turned the GOP win into a Loss continues.

FOX Kabuki Theater continues:

Krauthammer: There is no need for the GOP to rethink anything. Romney is a northeast liberal who "spoke conservatism as a 2nd language."

As for FOX Poll Propagandist Rasmussen, how bad they were off: CT -10, CO -7, IA -7, NH -7, WI -7, VA -5, NV -4, MI -4, FL -3, NC -3, MN -3, OH -2. Avg: 5.3% off per state. Well above the margin of error.

 

[TheTexan]

I just hope they give us credit for his loss. They'll probably just blame Hurricane Sandy or something and call it a day.