Mitt Romney lost because he ostracized us

[GunnyFreedom]

Yeah man, down with capitalism.

Do you really think what Romney does is capitalism? Capitalism implies a free market, not a fascist market.

 

[devil21]

We need more analysis like this in several states and make it go viral. Showing dominance after a devastating loss for Romney would be great for our movement.

You gotta be gentle with these things! Bring it up but do it politically correctly! Don't "nah nah nah a boo boo" about it. Show people how the liberty movement helps them win. Don't be a jerk about it. Offer a lifeline, not an anchor.

 

[devil21]

Hmmmm.......

Im reminded of a 2008 debate when Romney laughed at Ron for commenting on Iran. "Congressman Paul has been reading too many newsletters from Ahmadinejad".

"Yea make fun buddy" - RP (look in Ron's eye said he was going to own Romney's ass one day.....Ron Paul is always right)

 

[anaconda]

That and the fact that he is was such a weak candidate.

^I think this is correct. Romney was about as inspiring as an wet rag. That said, I think we would need some careful analysis (and polling?) to make a good assessment of whether the Paul supporters votes would have significantly helped Mittens, and to what extent.

 

[affa]

^I think this is correct. Romney was about as inspiring as an wet rag. That said, I think we would need some careful analysis (and polling?) to make a good assessment of whether the Paul supporters votes would have significantly helped Mittens, and to what extent.

It's pretty clear to me that it would have made a huge difference. But the point is that Romney was always unelectable, because he'd never have our support against a (surprisingly) popular incumbent. Cheating us didn't help his case, but he'd -never- have our votes regardless.

They thought they could do this without us, or that we'd fall in line. We warned them we wouldn't and they stuck their fingers in their ears. We didn't, they lost. No surprise.

 

[Primbs]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/30/rnc-left-with-hoards-of-cash-but-little-time/

Romney could have used the Ron Paul ground game and might have won. The article implies the campaign money was not managed very well.

 

[MozoVote]

Cheating us didn't help his case, but he'd -never- have our votes regardless.

Not true for me, at least. I had even told my family a few weeks before the convention that'd I had accepted the inevitable, and would vote for Romney in the general election. He and his RNC cronies screwed that up.

 

[ronpaulfollower999]

You know what would be better for our movement? Putting together an analysis that proves that we won over enough Blue Republicans that Ron Paul would have kicked Obama's ass even if none of us voted at all.

This is so true. I have people tell me everyday that they wish Ron Paul would've won because they would've voted for him. Both on the left and right (they didn't vote).

 

[LibertyEagle]

THey also lost because they are wildly out of touch, abortion aside(which is clearly a 50/50 issue) you can't run on not allowing consenting adults of he same sex to get married, it's a dumb stance and one that must change if they wish to win some swing states.

Also ROmney offered nothing different than Obama, but we all know that...

You do realize that Dr. Paul was not for "gay marriage" being forced at the federal level, either, don't you?

 

[LibertyEagle]

You gotta be gentle with these things! Bring it up but do it politically correctly! Don't "nah nah nah a boo boo" about it. Show people how the liberty movement helps them win. Don't be a jerk about it. Offer a lifeline, not an anchor.

** this.

 

[jmdrake]

Yeah. We know that. But will it get reported? Last night as I watched the returns come in I saw numbers for Gary Johnson, Virgil Goode and occasionally Jill Stein. I didn't see any "write in" numbers reported. I didn't see any "This was the total vote minus the presidential vote" reported. I didn't see "Here's how much Ron Paul got in the primary in this state" numbers reported. If a tree falls in the woods and there is nobody there to hear it....

 

[cindy25]

Rand as VP might have made the difference, but the same for different reasons could be said about Rubio

 

[cajuncocoa]

We need more analysis like this in several states and make it go viral. Showing dominance after a devastating loss for Romney would be great for our movement.

Something else I found:

Iowa and Nevada, where Ron Paul supporters gained control of the state party, both went to Obama after the Romney campaign actively fought to disenfranchise Ron Paul supporters. I guess the GOP got what it wanted there.

http://www.infowars.com/gop-in-deep-trouble-ron-paul-looking-good/

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Now we can finally rise from the ashes, and try to make this party into what it was originally intended. Freedom, fiscal responsibility, civil liberties and non-interventionism.

Don't bet on it.

 

[Bossobass]

It was Election FRAUD... at all levels during the Primaries/Caucuses.

Should be a Felony that includes the Racketeering/Corruption and Lies of Hannity, O'really, Krauthammershit, Wallace, Cameron, Krystal, the BeeAtches with the Fake Eyelashes, and that Eddie Haskel looking anchor with the 2 bit rug, his memorable Ames Iowa Straw Poll BLACKOUT and GOP debate moderator *sigh* to a RP response/coverage.

Let's not leave out a of "Rag Print" like, Alexandria's TEAM POLITICO that started their sabotage game on Ron Paul in 2011.

Joe Scarborough/Mika Bullshitski and the Klan of Communists/CFR masters @ NBC/MSNBC/New York City... How's China Jon, Joe?

Amy Walter's Political World and the Fascist/Propagandists out of New York City/Washington called, Capitol Cities Corp. aka ABC

Morbid Shaeffer and the New Yorks Mecca of CBS brainwashing...

And of course, who can't forget the Fraud of CNN aka Obama reelection channel and the whole Wolf Biltzer/Jana Bash/John Whatever/and the cast of puppets that parrot the teleprompters for 5, 6 and 7 figure salaries, depending on your so-called importance level of manipulations, lies, Film editing.

TAMPA proved it all with the control of the buses to ensure opponents wouldn't make rules, meetings, seating arrangements, the John Boehner railroad secession, the goons that eliminated anything 1st amendment, but the script, right down to the home made phony signs. The fight was over before it even had a chance. Evil motherfuckers to the likes of the Inner Circle of 10 Fat Men: John Sununu and Karl Rove.

America is clueless how this huge political game is play... they are the product of the well controlled 24/7 propaganda channels.


Brings me to SciFi author Ray Bradbury, a story of how the president of the nation wound up celebrating the final square foot of land was filled with concrete, of a completely paved-over nation. Eventually a parody of a US President, the his staff of fraudulent minions, celebrating one day, when everyone is taxed 100% and only one installed candidate to choose from to oppose the one candidate installed to choose from, Oh Wait... The people will cheer for ZERO CHOICE, like tonight

This is hands down the best post I've read on RPF since May, 2007. ^^^^^^^

They maneuvered the weakest candidate possible into the 'other' parties nomination to oppose the guy they wanted back in for 4 more years of HOPE (I don't lose my great fighter jet/drone factory job) and CHANGE (the ME into an Exxon subsidiary), just like pulling McCain out of the basement in Dec '07 to win the nomination despite the fact that only his 8th wife would vote for him.

I would only add that the simplest way for a "I'll spend the $ I save from ending the wars to pay down the deficit" bullshit artist to be re-elected is to grow the government into an unbeatable voting block of employees who actually want zero change to their "I get paid and I don't hafta do shit" job security.

 

[PatriotOne]

Why do we want to perpetuate the meme that we're spoilers?

Beats the hell out of me. Those in the establishment already know it...we don't need to prove anything. Rubbing it in their faces might make some feel good temporarily but it would be counter-productive. Plausible deniability has it advantages when it comes to the average GOP voter.

 

[jmdrake]

You do realize that Dr. Paul was not for "gay marriage" being forced at the federal level, either, don't you?

+rep. Probably not. I bet he didn't know that Ron Paul went as far as to say that he wouldn't want judges in Texas forcing gay marriage on the people there either.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul207.html
If I were in Congress in 1996, I would have voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, which used Congress's constitutional authority to define what official state documents other states have to recognize under the Full Faith and Credit Clause, to ensure that no state would be forced to recognize a “same sex” marriage license issued in another state. This Congress, I was an original cosponsor of the Marriage Protection Act, HR 3313, that removes challenges to the Defense of Marriage Act from federal courts' jurisdiction. If I were a member of the Texas legislature, I would do all I could to oppose any attempt by rogue judges to impose a new definition of marriage on the people of my state.

Besides, if you don't Mitt Romney's position on gay marriage, just wait a week.

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/...ge-amendment-and-same-sex-benefits/?mobile=nc

 

[cajuncocoa]

Even if we can explain Ohio and Florida, we need to overcome the difference of 290-203 to prove a true point. I wonder if anybody is writing about this as we speak.

The final electoral total is Obama 303 - Romney 206

So far, the 4 states mentioned in this thread so far (Ohio, Florida, Iowa, and Nevada) have a total of 59 electoral votes among them; if shifted from Obama to Romney, the totals would be: Obama 244 - Romney 265

Obviously, that's not enough to win...he would need 5 more.

 

[A. Havnes]

Dr. Paul got 111,238 votes in the OH GOP Primary.
The difference between Obama and Romney right now is 29,897 in favor of Obama.
We ARE the difference.

How many of those were hard-core supporters, though?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

How many of those were hard-core supporters, though?

If you recall the climate under which he ran, you had to be a pretty hard core Paul supporter just to cast a vote for him in the first place.