MITHRAS = CHRISTIANITY?

[erowe1]

The meaningless fluff you are dismissing is the very specific qualifier of my displeasure.

Unless you were writing in a language other than English, no it wasn't. You didn't say you had a distaste for something she did, but for her herself.

 

[moostraks]

Unless you were writing in a language other than English, no it wasn't. You didn't say you had a distaste for something she did, but for her herself.

Only if you cannot comprehend a complete sentence or grasp the term displeasure. People are complex, more complex than an attribute which would create my distaste for the certain behavior they willingly indulge and thus cause me to feel displeased with them and irl I would likely cross the road to avoid contact or otherwise limit interactions with them.

~~~peace

 

[Ronin Truth]

I made the mistake of coming back to this pointless thread after telling myself I've had enough, and essentially I've come to the conclusion that Ronin has the egocentric tendencies and intelligence of a 4 year old, whereas Moos just admitted to having the "poor me" attitude and attention span of someone maybe 2 months younger than that. I'll use short sentences towards both parties and then I'm calling this thread a joke and leaving Ronin to his own devices:

1. Ronin, there is no difference between you and a person who thinks he's getting alien communications from outer space through a tin-foil hat. You've essentially spent so much time reading crackpots with websites that you've turned into one. Please claim your prize.

2. Moostraks, if you can't handle watching a short video or visiting 5 links that directly debunk the OP, you have no business calling out anyone else on this thread, period. You've added nothing to this discussion, and you have confirmed yet again why you will continue to enjoy a nice comfortable chair in my ignored list. I wouldn't have responded to you at all had I not read some of the rubbish being quoted by others on here, and I'm already regretting spending this much time on you. The problem isn't that anyone here is by any means special, the problem is that you have no idea what you are talking about yet continue to run your mouth, and then cry like a spoiled child when somebody tells you what is what. Grow up.

Yes you did, not the first, nor the last.

Guaranteed!

 

[Ronin Truth]

Just another thread on the board (brick in the wall?) where people try in vain to prove how badly the other guy's belief system sucks.

Proving yet again that beliefs matter little - how we behave towards each other is really all that counts.

I rebuke all you guys.

OMG! I've been rebuked!!! AAARRRGGGHHH!

 

[Ronin Truth]

If you're still waiting it's only because you have ignored every piece of evidence given in every link provided to you in this thread, including those in your own google searches.

You have no idea of what I've ignored or not.

Where's yours?

All blow, no go?

 

[erowe1]

You have no idea of what I've ignored or not.

There are two possibilities. Either you have ignored the proofs provided to you, or you have seen them. But there has been no lacking in them throughout this thread from me and others.

 

[Ronin Truth]

There are two possibilities. Either you have ignored the proofs provided to you, or you have seen them. But there has been no lacking in them throughout this thread from me and others.

I completely and totally reject your false dichotomies.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Mithraism and Early Christianity

Christianity grew out of a mixture of Persian Mithraism, Judaism and the works of individuals such as St. Paul who gave us written records of this synthesis.

• Mithraism
• Paul and Mithraism
• Emperor Constantine officially fused Mithraism and Christianity
• Communion, Jewish Sacrifice, Blood, Flesh, Eating and Drinking
• Sunday as the Day of Worship, and December 25th
• Conclusions
• Page Index Search
• Links

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1. Mithraism

“Spirit of Spirit, if it be your will,
give me over to immortal birth so that I may
be born again - and the sacred
spirit may breathe in me.”​

Prayer to Mithras

Celebrating the light and fire caused from striking of flints is an ancient tradition. Mithra is said to be forced out of a rock, wearing the Phyrygian cap holding a dagger and a torch of light. Mithra's birth is celebrated on the Winter Solstice.

Mithraism was popular in the Roman Empire with many Emperors following, not just the populace. It had seven sacraments, the same as the Catholic Church, baptism, and communion with bread and water. The Eucharist hosts were signed with a cross, an ancient phallic symbol which originated in Egypt, and the Egyptian cross (the ankh) still shows the original form which included the female symbol.

”More important even than the Vedic and Zoroastrian influences, the Mithras cult had a strong impact on Christianity. Mithras was the son of Ormuzd, and as a god of light himself, he engaged the powers of darkness, Ahriman and his host, in a bitter struggle. Mithras triumphed and cast his adversaries into the nether world. Mithras, too, raised the dead and will find them at the end of time. He, too, will relegate the wicked to hell and establish the millennial kingdom. [...]
Drews, too, believes that it was the influence of Persian, notably Mithraic, thought which led to the gradual transformation of the human figure of Jesus into a Godhead. Robertson thinks that the rock-tomb resurrection of Jesus is a direct transference of Mithras' rock birth, and that Jesus also became a sun-god like Mithras, so that they share their birthday at the winter solstice. Robertson, Niemojewski, Volney and others assert that as son-god Jesus had twelve apostles representing the twelve houses of the zodiac.”
"Jesus Versus Christianity" by Alfred Reynolds (1993)[SUB]1[/SUB]
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Zoroastrianism

The roots of Mithraism go back to Zoroastrianism, a Persian religion that became popular in Greece from 390BCE. It placed Mithras in the role of a deity equal to the sun god. Its priests were Magi; the same Magi assumed to visit Bethlehem when Jesus was born.

• www.avesta.org/avesta.html - Zoroastrian Archives
• www.Zarathushtra.com

Zarathustra, a Zoroastrian magi, had predicted a Messiah, and Jesus' birth was assumed by Paul to be his possible arrival. In the Persian holy texts, the Avesta, this Messiah will appear at the end of time and bring the triumph of good over evil and make a potion of immortality for mankind from the fat of a great bull mixed with Hamoa juice.

Judgement

The faithful to Mithra believed they would live in bliss after death until the Judgement of mankind. Mithra would then unlock Paradise for the faithful and come to Earth and kill all the unbaptised. All the dead would return from their graves to be judged.

All the wicked, the rejected and unbaptised would be destroyed by Mithra by fire, and those accepted into Paradise would live with Mithra forever with eternal life. After the annihilation of the unfaithful Mithra ascends into Heaven, at the end of time, after his Messiah has brought salvation to the saved, in a chariot of fire.

2. Paul and Mithraism

“St. Paul is attributed with the writing of 13 books in the Bible, 7 by himself and 6 by others in his name. He was born in Tarsus as "Saul" and adopted the Christian name of Paul after converting to what is now "Christianity". He was an early leader of the growing Christian churches around the Roman Empire, and the writings of St. Paul are the earliest existing Christian writings known to historians.”
"St Paul - History, Biblical Epistles, Gnosticism and Mithraism" by Vexen Crabtree (1999)
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He mixed the Hellenic Christ theme with the Messiah theme of Judaism, and the result was the theology around the sacrificial nature that the Christ of Christianity has.

“Paul mistook the Jewish "Messiah" to mean the Hellenistic "Christ". This happened before anything was written down; it happened during Paul's conversations with people as he was working through what had happened. A messiah is a person who is a great leader who leads your people to freedom. The title was taken by Jews from Persian culture. A christ is a god-king who dies as an offering to some divine being as a sacrifice in return for prosperity, especially agricultural prosperity. Both are anointed with oil as a mystical, sexual rite.”

Christos (site down) or Jesus didn't exist (site down)



“It was in Tarsus that the Mysteries of Mithras had originated, so it would have been unthinkable that Paul would have been unaware of the remarkable similarities we have already explored between Christian doctrines and the teachings of Mithraism. [Footnote:] Tarsus was the capital of Cilicia, where, according to Plutarch [46-125CE], the Mithraic Mysteries were being practiced as early as 67BCE”
"The Jesus Mysteries" by Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy (1999)
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http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/mithraism.html
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[Ronin Truth]

“If Christianity had been checked in its growth by some deadly disease, the world would have become Mithraic.” -- Joseph Renan

 

[hells_unicorn]

“If Christianity had been checked in its growth by some deadly disease, the world would have become Mithraic.” -- Joseph Renan

LOL For all interested parties. Joseph Renan is also one of the first persons to argue that Jesus was not racially Jewish but actually a pale white Aryan, and that he actually "purged himself of his Jewish traits". All of these Neo-Nazis running around claiming that Jesus was a white northern European get their craziness from the same place where Ronin apparently gets his.

Here's your sign.

 

[Sola_Fide]

LOL For all interested parties. Joseph Renan is also one of the first persons to argue that Jesus was not racially Jewish but actually a pale white Aryan, and that he actually "purged himself of his Jewish traits". All of these Neo-Nazis running around claiming that Jesus was a white northern European get their craziness from the same place where Ronin apparently gets his.

Here's your sign.

There's one thing you can be sure of with Ronin's quotes: none of them are from Biblical Christians.

 

[Ronin Truth]

LOL For all interested parties. Joseph Renan is also one of the first persons to argue that Jesus was not racially Jewish but actually a pale white Aryan, and that he actually "purged himself of his Jewish traits". All of these Neo-Nazis running around claiming that Jesus was a white northern European get their craziness from the same place where Ronin apparently gets his.

Here's your sign.

Pretty old for a French Nazi, don't ya think? Do folks usually just buy your bogus BS? You could very easily be a Paulinist minister with that talent.

1823 - 1892

You can take your sign back and just stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

 

[Ronin Truth]

There's one thing you can be sure of with Ronin's quotes: none of them are from Biblical Christians.

That's what you guys are for. What is your posted Biblical Christian quote count, so far? ZERO! hahahahahahahahaha

 

[Paulbot99]

Pretty old for a French Nazi, don't ya think? Do folks usually just buy your bogus BS? You could very easily be a Paulinist minister with that talent.

1823 - 1892

You can take your sign back and just stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

Belief in Aryanism did not originate with the Nazis. He stated:

"I am therefore the first to recognize that the Semitic race, compared to the Indo-European race, truly represents an inferior combination of human nature." —

Arvidsson, Stefan (2006). Aryan Idols: Indo-European Mythology as Ideology and Science. University of Chicago Press, p. 107

You can wikipedia it to understand the bare basics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Renan#Life_of_Jesus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

And, also, you can read a little of The Aryan Jesus:

https://books.google.com/books?id=8...Qez#v=onepage&q=for renan by contrast&f=false

Start with "Renan, by contrast" and read on to see his views on Jesus transforming Himself into an Aryan. You're right. Renan wasn't a Nazi. He was a proto-Nazi.

I am also waiting for your response to the historical corrections to your OP I made earlier.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Belief in Aryanism did not originate with the Nazis. He stated:

"I am therefore the first to recognize that the Semitic race, compared to the Indo-European race, truly represents an inferior combination of human nature." —

Arvidsson, Stefan (2006). Aryan Idols: Indo-European Mythology as Ideology and Science. University of Chicago Press, p. 107

You can wikipedia it to understand the bare basics:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Renan#Life_of_Jesus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

And, also, you can read a little of The Aryan Jesus:

https://books.google.com/books?id=8...Qez#v=onepage&q=for renan by contrast&f=false

Start with "Renan, by contrast" and read on to see his views on Jesus transforming Himself into an Aryan. You're right. Renan wasn't a Nazi. He was a proto-Nazi.

I am also waiting for your response to the historical corrections to your OP I made earlier.

I guess I must have just missed those. Do you have the post #?

Thanks for the info.

Not really interested at all, in Renan, I just liked the quote. <shrug>

 

[specsaregood]

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[Paulbot99]

I guess I must have just missed those. Do you have the post #?

Thanks for the info.

Not really interested at all, in Renan, I just liked the quote. <shrug>

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...CHRISTIANITY&p=6002711&viewfull=1#post6002711

#173.

I couldn't help but laugh for a minute straight when I read that Buddha would judge the dead in the OP. Or that Mithra was born of a virgin.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Anyone who knows the basics of Buddhism would facepalm here.

1. Buddha never taught he would he would judge the living and the dead. Neither did any strain of Buddhism!

2. Buddha died as an old man after being given a final meal by a blacksmith. I have yet to see any Buddhist tradition mentioning a crucifixion. In addition, he did not rise from the dead. According to Buddhist tradition, he reached Nirvana on his deathbed

3. It is anathema in Buddhist tradition to preach the the resurrection of the dead. The goal is Nirvana, a sort of nonexistence where you exit the cycle of death and rebirth.

4. Buddha didn't preach about any kingdom. Just Enlightenment/Nirvana.

http://www.souledout.org/wesak/storybuddha.html

http://legacy.fordham.edu/halsall/india/buddha-life.asp

And, for goodness' sake, Mithras was born from a rock:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraic_mysteries#/media/File:MithrasIMG_5339.JPG

Honestly, this is just bad scholarship. It is one thing to have a belief, but to make a bunch of claims at once with no proof relying on old memes... This not only insulted Christianity, it insulted Buddhism and reason as well.

In addition, I give you this video:

I have no response in particular. What are you wanting or expecting?

You critiqued a thread source. OK. <shrug>

 

[Paulbot99]

So the source is of little or no intellectual merit at best and blatantly dishonest at worst. Doesn't it trouble you that you posted a shoddy article?

 

[Ronin Truth]

So the source is of little or no intellectual merit at best and blatantly dishonest at worst. Doesn't it trouble you that you posted a shoddy article?

Not at all. It's just a trigger to the greater topic conversation. And only a means to the end. The tread topic doesn't necessarily rise of fall on the quality of the OP nor is it dependent on it. 200 posts so far. <shrug> Not too bad.

You may select the OP quality criteria you want to impose on the threads you start. OK?