MITHRAS = CHRISTIANITY?

[Ronin Truth]

What is something Paulinism teaches?

Romans 14:9
Romans 3:28
1 Cor 10:33
Roman 6:23
1 Cor 15:31
1 Cor 4:15
Romans 10:4
1 Cor 8: 4,8

etc., etc.

 

[Ronin Truth]

Or some of you could refrain from constantly ignoring responses you received to misconstrue or out and out lie about another person, in order to interject yourselves as holier than thou control freaks anytime those you have decided to condemn dare to speak. There is that option ya know...

I don't think I should have to refrain from all discussion because you cannot control yourself.

Absitively!

 

[moostraks]

Did you see a single claim that was made in the OP that was supported with any evidence at all? I didn't.

Given that fact, what is there to rebut?

You can take any of those 6 assertions and just assert the exact opposite, and your opposite assertions will be every bit as well-founded as the assertions made in the OP.

He put forth an article. Ignore it or dispute the points (since the question mark put it up for debate between those interested). There seems to be a waste of energy applied to discussing the discussing of points. If I was greatly aggravated with a thread and wanted to counter balance it I would likely do a does not equal response thread especially if there was essentially a derail going on in the thread with no actual debate. Then points could be clearly seen by drive by readers who might lose interest in digging for anything in the derailed thread. If you feel like the thread is pointless than I am at a loss for why you would feel the impetus to bump it by a response?

 

[Ronin Truth]

It doesn't matter because it is the same thing. There is no difference between Paul saying "my gospel" and "the gospel". There was only one gospel in the Bible.

Is this one of your "contradictions"? lol

Nope, it was just more than simple and obvious from your silly post. +1

 

[Ronin Truth]

He put forth an article. Ignore it or dispute the points (since the question mark put it up for debate between those interested). There seems to be a waste of energy applied to discussing the discussing of points. If I was greatly aggravated with a thread and wanted to counter balance it I would likely do a does not equal response thread especially if there was essentially a derail going on in the thread with no actual debate. Then points could be clearly seen by drive by readers who might lose interest in digging for anything in the derailed thread. If you feel like the thread is pointless than I am at a loss for why you would feel the impetus to bump it by a response?

Excellent points! Right on! Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Eagles' Wings]

Or some of you could refrain from constantly ignoring responses you received to misconstrue or out and out lie about another person, in order to interject yourselves as holier than thou control freaks anytime those you have decided to condemn dare to speak. There is that option ya know...

I don't think I should have to refrain from all discussion because you cannot control yourself.

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[moostraks]

Excellent points! Right on! Couldn't have said it better myself.

Thank you. I would be curious to hear where you are at personally with things considering your frustration with Paul but this sub forum would not be the place to do so, that's for sure. I went through a period of detoxification but have circled around to a gentler understanding of Paul.

 

[erowe1]

Romans 14:9
Romans 3:28
1 Cor 10:33
Roman 6:23
1 Cor 15:31
1 Cor 4:15
Romans 10:4
1 Cor 8: 4,8

etc., etc.

Could you find anything in those verses that contradicts the teachings of Jesus?

Could you find anything in those verses that reflects any influence by Mithraism?

 

[Ronin Truth]

Can you find a single example of anything at all anywhere in any of Paul's writings that reflects any influence by Mithraism at all?

I figure just about everything that is not Jesus, could well be Mithras, what pagan else?

 

[moostraks]

Please...just stop the whining about how the Christians are picking on you.

Do you lack reading comprehension skills? Or do you just feel the need to show your importance by granting me permissions and telling me what to do?

I am guessing this behavior is your means of ignoring the elephant in the room about claiming I never put forth my position of faith, eh?

~~~peace

 

[erowe1]

He put forth an article. Ignore it or dispute the points

Yes. I dispute them. Everybody disputes them. That's the whole of this thread. You use the word "point" very generously. Did you see any evidence offered to support any assertions made in that article? I did not.

Given that fact, what more is there to say about it? Unless RT or you or anyone else can find any support for any of those assertions, wouldn't you agree that the case is closed?

The OP would be no less credible than it now is if we replaced every reference to Mithras in it with the name Peter Pan.

 

[erowe1]

Do you lack reading comprehension skills?

Apparently not. She has your number I'd say. Speaking for myself, I could do without all of your hate.

 

[erowe1]

I figure just about everything that is not Jesus, could well be Mithras, what pagan else?

Can you find a single example of that?

So far you're up to zero.

 

[Eagles' Wings]

Do you lack reading comprehension skills? Or do you just feel the need to show your importance by granting me permissions and telling me what to do?

I am guessing this behavior is your means of ignoring the elephant in the room about claiming I never put forth my position of faith, eh?

~~~peace

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[Ronin Truth]

Could you find anything in those verses that contradicts the teachings of Jesus?

It all contradicts Jesus. Homework time.

Could you find anything in those verses that reflects any influence by Mithraism?

What ever ain't straight made up by Paul is most probably Mithras.

http://www.problemswithpaul.com/index.html

 

[erowe1]

http://www.problemswithpaul.com/index.html

Can you find a single example of anything in any of Paul's writings that reflects any influence by Mithraism?

Also, let's suppose there were something Paul wrote that contradicted something Jesus taught (I have never found anything like that, but supposing for the sake of argument such a thing existed), why do you believe it would most likely derive from Mithraism? Do you have any reason for that assumption?

 

[Ronin Truth]

Can you find a single example of anything in any of Paul's writings that reflects any influence by Mithraism?

Also, let's suppose there were something Paul wrote that contradicted something Jesus taught (I have never found anything like that, but supposing for the sake of argument such a thing existed), why do you believe it would most likely derive from Mithraism? Do you have any reason for that assumption?

Tarsus.

When do your turns answering start?

 

[erowe1]

Tarsus.

When do your turns answering start?

I'd love to answer whatever it is you have to say about Tarsus. But I don't know what that is.

Are you saying that there's some connection between Tarsus and Mithraism? If so, do you know of any evidence for that?

Furthermore, since nothing in any of Paul's writings reflects any influence by Mithraism (and you clearly know of not a single example), then any connection between Mithraism and Tarsus would not matter, except that it would show that Paul would have to have consciously rejected Mithraism, having encountered it in Tarsus, and yet still exhibiting no influence by it in any of his teachings.

 

[hells_unicorn]

I made the mistake of coming back to this pointless thread after telling myself I've had enough, and essentially I've come to the conclusion that Ronin has the egocentric tendencies and intelligence of a 4 year old, whereas Moos just admitted to having the "poor me" attitude and attention span of someone maybe 2 months younger than that. I'll use short sentences towards both parties and then I'm calling this thread a joke and leaving Ronin to his own devices:

1. Ronin, there is no difference between you and a person who thinks he's getting alien communications from outer space through a tin-foil hat. You've essentially spent so much time reading crackpots with websites that you've turned into one. Please claim your prize.

2. Moostraks, if you can't handle watching a short video or visiting 5 links that directly debunk the OP, you have no business calling out anyone else on this thread, period. You've added nothing to this discussion, and you have confirmed yet again why you will continue to enjoy a nice comfortable chair in my ignored list. I wouldn't have responded to you at all had I not read some of the rubbish being quoted by others on here, and I'm already regretting spending this much time on you. The problem isn't that anyone here is by any means special, the problem is that you have no idea what you are talking about yet continue to run your mouth, and then cry like a spoiled child when somebody tells you what is what. Grow up.

 

[Ronin Truth]

I'd love to answer whatever it is you have to say about Tarsus. But I don't know what that is.

Are you saying that there's some connection between Tarsus and Mithraism? If so, do you know of any evidence for that?

Furthermore, since nothing in any of Paul's writings reflects any influence by Mithraism (and you clearly know of not a single example), then any connection between Mithraism and Tarsus would not matter, except that it would show that Paul would have to have consciously rejected Mithraism, having encountered it in Tarsus, and yet still exhibiting no influence by it in any of his teachings.

Paul was supposedly born and raised in the city of Tarsus, a region in SE Asia-Minor (now called Turkey) where Mithras was well known. Biblical scholars are now saying that Paul, the alleged author of 13 out of the 27 (maybe more) books of the New Testament, may have been influenced in his writings by this strong religion of Mithraism. We can see a profound kinship between Mithraism and Christianity.

In-as-much as Mithraism was so popular in Rome, it is no wonder why the pagan Emperor Constantine, who believed in the sun god, Mithras, designated a certain day of the week to him, Sunday, which means, “the day of the sun.”

The original "Christian" faith became a mix of pagan, Mithramic, Jeudeo/Christian teaching. This lead to the confusing mix of theology that we have today within the "Christian" community. This apostacy from the original simple and plain teachings of Christ was accelerated by the persecutions and killings of any who tried to support the "old" ways. Maybe this solves the mystery of the “ungodly” marriage between Mithraism and the cult of Jesus. As it turns out, it was all for political convenience! But, Christians think they are better than that today. In short: The "Christianity" they have today has almost no relationship, in doctrine or in way of life, to the "the original teachings of Jesus."

In my mind, there are two Jesus' teachings. Jesus the Jew and Jesus the Gentile, which by the way is really Paul's Jesus. And guess which one Christians follow? The ex-pagan Constantine liked Paul's Jesus over Jesus the Jew. Jesus and all the others upon whom this character is predicated are personifications of the sun, and the Gospel fable is merely a rehash of a mythological formula revolving around the movements of the sun through the heavens.

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.