[Milei WINS!] Javier Milei, Austrian econ. prof. & ancap, runs for president of Argentina

"Monetary policy" just means "how fast the central bank prints money out of thin-air". "Tight policy" means they print money fast. "Loose policy" means they print really, really fast. The Fed has been in permanent "loose-money policy" since the 2008 housing collapse, aka QE Forever (Note the link is from 2012... that's how long we've been on this roller-coaster-from-hell...)

Most of the time, the way that a Central Bank actually "prints money" is by purchasing bonds from their government. So, when the Federal Reserve wants to print another $100 billion dollars (also known as any given Tuesday), they ring up the Treasury and put in an order for $100 billion dollars of US Treasury Bonds. The idea is that the Bond market itself will arbitrage the risk of hyper-inflation -- if the Fed "prints too much", the yields on bonds goes down (as people are less interested in holding them), and this is a "feedback signal" to the Fed that it's "printing too much". That's all purely hypothetical though, since the central banking system also controls the financial markets (including most large, institutional bond-holders) through financial regulations. So, you know, most bond-holders can't "just sell" even if they wanted to. Which means that the whole thing is a giant charade. And even if it wasn't a charade, it would still be evil because it's out-and-out robbery of all US citizens (and ultimately, all holders of dollars and dollar-denominated assets).

tl;dr: the Fed is the US government's "lender", where the loan occurs through "purchase" of a Bond which will one day later be exchanged back with "interest" which is the mythical "interest on the national debt" which we taxpayers are forced to pay to the Fed for the privilege of being robbed by them. So, Milei is simply saying that they won't have a central bank, and so their government won't be able to steal from its citizens in this way, that is, it will have "no lender", no central-bank.

Oh, I see. No central bank, "no lender". So, where are they gonna get all of these US dollars? I never thought about that before - all of the USD floating around the world. I assume most is digital but if he wants USDs to be Argentina's official currency, we're talking a poor population who deals in cash, I presume. To get USD you either have exchange your local currency or sell something to the US and get paid in USD, right? So sorry, my understanding of fiance is poor and I'm also a math tard. I get how inflation works with printing fiat, financing debt with bonds and the need for something of intrinsic value but that's about it.
 
Oh, I see. No central bank, "no lender". So, where are they gonna get all of these US dollars? I never thought about that before - all of the USD floating around the world. I assume most is digital but if he wants USDs to be Argentina's official currency, we're talking a poor population who deals in cash, I presume. To get USD you either have exchange your local currency or sell something to the US and get paid in USD, right?

No doubt, there are already a lot of USDs in Argentina, so it's just a matter of those spreading out more widely. The Argentine peso is going to be retired by the Argentine government but I don't think there will be any official act by Milei to prohibit people from using it. So people will go on using it for some period of time, but probably not that long. The reason is that without anti-counterfeit enforcement, the criminals will be running off unlimited amounts of pesos, and so the value will go to zero very rapidly. So people have a window of time right now to move their pesos over to USD. I have forgotten the details of the transition plan, but the short answer is "it all works itself out". There are some costs to transitioning, but the costs of not transitioning are far greater. The Argentina economy will be on a much better footing after dollarization. That doesn't prevent them from going further and moving to PMs, Bitcoin, etc. El Salvador is a country that understand that money matters -- they moved to USD some time back and have now made Bitcoin their legal tender. That's a very bold, experimental move, but it shows that they understand the power of sound money. Sound money -> sound economy, it's really that simple. Inflation creates a situation for the common working man trying to build savings where saving for his or her retirement is like trying to store water in a sieve. Of course, Wall St. can solve that problem for you, as long you store your entire nest-egg in their casino so they can gamble with it. Which shows the true purpose... the globalists do not want you to have custody of your own liquid assets, they want that value stored with themselves, where they can do whatever they wish with it.

So sorry, my understanding of fiance is poor and I'm also a math tard. I get how inflation works with printing fiat, financing debt with bonds and the need for something of intrinsic value but that's about it.

That's enough. Don't worry about the math-side of it too much because, at the end of the day, stealing isn't really about math. The math is just the trick that fraudsters use to do the heist, but the motives and methods of the heist itself are transparently obvious to anyone. What idiots we have been to entrust our entire wealth to proven liars and thieves, which is what politicians are. Every one of us jokes that they are liars and thieves, and not to be trusted, and then we store our retirement assets in their sole discretionary control. We truly do deserve whatever happens to us, because we are knowingly entrusting ourselves to those who are not to be trusted:

On her way to work one morning
Down the path 'longside the lake
A tender-hearted woman saw a poor half-frozen snake
His pretty colored skin had been all frosted with the dew
"Oh well," she cried, "I’ll take you in and I'll take care of you"

She wrapped him up all cozy in a comforter of silk
And laid him by thе fireside with some honеy and some milk
She hurried home from work that night, and soon as she arrived
She found that pretty snake she’d taken in had been revived

She clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful," she cried
"But if I hadn't brought you in, by now you might have died"
She stroked his pretty skin again and kissed and held him tight
Instead of saying thanks, that snake gave her a vicious bite

"I saved you," cried the woman
"And you've bitten me, but why?
And you know your bite is poisonous and now I'm gonna die"
"Oh shut up, silly woman," said the reptile with a grin
"You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in"
 
I never thought about that before - all of the USD floating around the world. I assume most is digital but if he wants USDs to be Argentina's official currency, we're talking a poor population who deals in cash, I presume.

I'm curious too what he means by official currency. That could mean it's declared the only legal tender. It could mean when the government reports its GDP and pays the IMF their blood money, that's done in dollars, and nothing more than that--the public may trade with any damned thing they please. It could mean something in between.

I'm not buying any of the speculation. I'm just enjoying watching this show unfold so far. He seems to be crazy like a fox. He has already pulled a couple of rabbits out of the snow.
 
No doubt, there are already a lot of USDs in Argentina, so it's just a matter of those spreading out more widely. The Argentine peso is going to be retired by the Argentine government but I don't think there will be any official act by Milei to prohibit people from using it. So people will go on using it for some period of time, but probably not that long. The reason is that without anti-counterfeit enforcement, the criminals will be running off unlimited amounts of pesos, and so the value will go to zero very rapidly. So people have a window of time right now to move their pesos over to USD. I have forgotten the details of the transition plan, but the short answer is "it all works itself out". There are some costs to transitioning, but the costs of not transitioning are far greater. The Argentina economy will be on a much better footing after dollarization. That doesn't prevent them from going further and moving to PMs, Bitcoin, etc. El Salvador is a country that understand that money matters -- they moved to USD some time back and have now made Bitcoin their legal tender. That's a very bold, experimental move, but it shows that they understand the power of sound money. Sound money -> sound economy, it's really that simple. Inflation creates a situation for the common working man trying to build savings where saving for his or her retirement is like trying to store water in a sieve. Of course, Wall St. can solve that problem for you, as long you store your entire nest-egg in their casino so they can gamble with it. Which shows the true purpose... the globalists do not want you to have custody of your own liquid assets, they want that value stored with themselves, where they can do whatever they wish with it.



That's enough. Don't worry about the math-side of it too much because, at the end of the day, stealing isn't really about math. The math is just the trick that fraudsters use to do the heist, but the motives and methods of the heist itself are transparently obvious to anyone. What idiots we have been to entrust our entire wealth to proven liars and thieves, which is what politicians are. Every one of us jokes that they are liars and thieves, and not to be trusted, and then we store our retirement assets in their sole discretionary control. We truly do deserve whatever happens to us, because we are knowingly entrusting ourselves to those who are not to be trusted:

Debt money and the world of international finance all seems like some kind of alchemy to me. I don't understand crypto, either. Why is Bitcoin, which is purchased with debt money and resides in cyberspace, sound money?
 
I'm curious too what he means by official currency. That could mean it's declared the only legal tender. It could mean when the government reports its GDP and pays the IMF their blood money, that's done in dollars, and nothing more than that--the public may trade with any damned thing they please. It could mean something in between.

I'm not buying any of the speculation. I'm just enjoying watching this show unfold so far. He seems to be crazy like a fox. He has already pulled a couple of rabbits out of the snow.

Well, we can trade with anything we please, as well, but use the USD for everyday transactions like paying bills, buying gas and groceries, etc. I guess it will be the same in Argentina. This is where the "poor" part is going to come in. Most of them are already poor with a hugely inflated currency so when they trade that in for USDs they're not going to get very many USDs and they're still going to be poor but, I guess Milei's thinking is that whatever meager money people have will then be more stable so they won't be becoming even poorer through the Argentinian inflation and they'll have ours, instead. So, then what? Slash spending and pay off their national debt? How long will that take? Next, bring in investment to create privat sector employment and generate wealth?
 
Debt money and the world of international finance all seems like some kind of alchemy to me.

"Debt money" is a confusing term and I would generally stay away from sources that use that language, because they are usually propagandists in my experience.

Money is money -- money is exactly what you think it is (cash and coin, bank accounts, etc.) Those who mystify it, do so because they have an agenda. There is nothing about money that is inherently more complicated than any other good. In fact, since money is the closest asset to being a "pure number", it is in many ways much simpler than other goods.

In Mystery of Banking (IIRC), Rothbard gives a breakdown of money starting from the concept of warehousing. Warehousing is the industry that has to do with storing things like wheat, oil, and other commodities. When you store a good of a given grade with a warehouser, you receive a warehouse receipt for the quantity you deposited, including its specific grade. When you later want to redeem the warehouse receipt, you expect to be given the full amount of the stored good, at the same grade. You would not deposit Grade A wheat with a wheat warehouse, and then be satisfied to receive moldy wheat when you return to redeem your warehouse receipt, or to only be given 10% of the wheat you deposited. In the same way, Rothbard argues, the basis of banking is just "money warehousing" -- the gold depositor who deposits 100 gold coins with his bank, expects to return later with the deposit receipt for that account and receive fully 100 gold coins of the same weight and fineness as those he deposited. He will not accept 100 50% silver/gold coins, nor will he accept 90 gold coins instead of 100 -- the deposit receipt is for fully 100 gold coins of some weight and fineness and he expects exactly what he deposited in return.

People in society generally assume or feel that this is how banking fundamentally works, even if it's "very sophisticated" and not easy for the normal person to understand all the details. But what central banking and fiat money break is this assumption -- in fact, the modern banking system does not at all warehouse your money in this way, nor return it to you in the same amount and quality at which you deposited it. This is the meaning of that claim you hear often that "the dollar has lost 90% of its value since 1971 when Nixon closed the gold-window." The point is that $100 deposited at your bank in 1971, even if it is returned numerically, is not returned in its real value. You do not receive one hundred 1971 dollars' worth of value when you redeem your original deposit, because inflation has eaten away 90+% of its actual purchasing power, and you were not compensated for this. Nor is this eating away of the value of your deposit the result of having foregone investment, as is often suggested. It is true that a mere deposit (instead of an investment) is not "generating wealth" because it's just sitting there, collecting dust, but this is a separate topic (I won't go into it here to avoid too long of a post), but just take my word for now that this is an intentional confusion that is often injected into discussion of modern banking to confuse people and deflect attention away from the real issue.

And what is the real issue? That when the central bank "creates money", it is doing nothing different than any ordinary criminal counterfeiter does when they print counterfeit bills. They are literally just printing money out of thin air, no matter how much liturgical ritual they surround it with, no matter how grave and stupendous the charade, no matter how long-faced the actors playing their roles upon the stage -- it's all an elaborate pretense whose purpose is to make the obscene seem sacred, to make the criminal seem lawful.

In truth, they are violating Torah --

Deut. 25:13 - Do not have two differing weights in your bag-one heavy, one light.
Proverbs 16:11 - Honest scales and balances are from the LORD; all the weights in the bag are of his making.
Micah 6:11 - Shall I acquit a man with dishonest scales, with a bag of false weights?

They are thieves, in fact, they are the greatest thieves ever, in history. They have stolen oceans' worth of wealth, and mostly just lit it on fire (in many cases quite literally).

Why is Bitcoin, which is purchased with debt money and resides in cyberspace, sound money?

The easiest way to understand Bitcoin is to look at it from the standpoint of what we call "the marketplace of money", or "a free market in money production". The US dollar is named after the Thaler or "Joachimsthaler" which was a silver coin struck by an Austrian noble family that happened to be, at the end of the 18th century, one of the most widely used coins for international trade. This was because of its high reputability, its good design, anti-counterfeit features, its optimal weight, and its relative political neutrality, not being issued by a national government. The point is that the founding Fathers chose the Thaler/Dollar as the national currency because it was a "market winner" -- it was in wide use everywhere around the world. They didn't worry about the details of why the Thaler was in widespread use, they relied on the wisdom of the market to sort that out. In the same way, those who use Bitcoin don't need to understand every detail of how/why it works, all they need to understand is that Bitcoin is a competitor in the world marketplace of currencies -- most of which are subsidized by their national government and operated as a monopoly -- and it is holding its own against them. Bitcoin's death has been predicted as many times as the political death of Trump... but it's still standing. Lots of smart people who do fully understand how it works have invested every penny they have into it. It's too old to be a pyramid scheme and you'll never get robo-called by "Bitcoin Corporation" because there isn't such a thing, Bitcoin is an open standard (kind of like the Internet itself) and no one agency controls the Bitcoin network, something that the biggest Bitcoin players have very carefully ensured (to secure their own Bitcoin assets).
 
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Put that way, it makes perfect sense. Use whatever you want for currency. That said, it seems he's officially said he wants to adopt the USD, if it hasn't happened already. One central bank killed is a step in the right direction and theirs sounds like it needs killing.

Generally official dollarization will mean that you are required to pay taxes in dollars.
The need to pay taxes will cause dollars to dominate the economy even if trade in other currencies is allowed.
 
Well, we can trade with anything we please...

Can we? Try opening a large retail establishment that prices all their goods for U.S. consumers in rubles, and see what you get.

The armed forces have flattened countries for selling oil to other countries for something besides FRNs. They don't have a sense of humor about it.
 
If poverty level goes from 44% to 57% due to gov subsidies cut in one quarter under Milei, I’d say he’s responsible

He deserves a hall pass for this temporarily imo
 
Can we? Try opening a large retail establishment that prices all their goods for U.S. consumers in rubles, and see what you get.

The armed forces have flattened countries for selling oil to other countries for something besides FRNs. They don't have a sense of humor about it.

Oh, yeah, you're right. I was talking about among individuals.
 
Globalist take on Milei - pretty much what you'd expect but surprisingly balanced. This bit I found curious:

No area sums up the cognitive dissonance that Milei inspires better than climate change. Milei campaigned as a full-blown climate change denier. He said that “politicians who blame the human race for climate change are fake” and called the very idea of climate change a “socialist hoax.” And yet as president, his top climate diplomat confirmed that Argentina will remain in the Paris climate agreement. He even included a new cap-and-trade plan to limit carbon emissions in his omnibus reform bill. Observers could be forgiven for having whiplash—even for Milei, the turnaround on climate has been dramatic. This is hardly the only issue where Milei’s rhetoric and his actions are surprisingly divergent. So how should we judge Milei—by his outlandish campaign statements, or by his restrained actions once in office?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/02/13/javier-milei-policies-libertarian-argentina-economy/
 
Globalist take on Milei - pretty much what you'd expect but surprisingly balanced. This bit I found curious:

No area sums up the cognitive dissonance that Milei inspires better than climate change. Milei campaigned as a full-blown climate change denier. He said that “politicians who blame the human race for climate change are fake” and called the very idea of climate change a “socialist hoax.” And yet as president, his top climate diplomat confirmed that Argentina will remain in the Paris climate agreement. He even included a new cap-and-trade plan to limit carbon emissions in his omnibus reform bill. Observers could be forgiven for having whiplash—even for Milei, the turnaround on climate has been dramatic. This is hardly the only issue where Milei’s rhetoric and his actions are surprisingly divergent. So how should we judge Milei—by his outlandish campaign statements, or by his restrained actions once in office?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/02/13/javier-milei-policies-libertarian-argentina-economy/

Not good.
 
Even with sausage concessions, his omnibus reform bill didn't pass the legislature. The man is doing the best he can IMO.
 
Globalist take on Milei - pretty much what you'd expect but surprisingly balanced. This bit I found curious:

No area sums up the cognitive dissonance that Milei inspires better than climate change. Milei campaigned as a full-blown climate change denier. He said that “politicians who blame the human race for climate change are fake” and called the very idea of climate change a “socialist hoax.” And yet as president, his top climate diplomat confirmed that Argentina will remain in the Paris climate agreement. He even included a new cap-and-trade plan to limit carbon emissions in his omnibus reform bill. Observers could be forgiven for having whiplash—even for Milei, the turnaround on climate has been dramatic. This is hardly the only issue where Milei’s rhetoric and his actions are surprisingly divergent. So how should we judge Milei—by his outlandish campaign statements, or by his restrained actions once in office?

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/02/13/javier-milei-policies-libertarian-argentina-economy/

I don't understand why conservatives/libertarians so easily fall for this obvious propaganda...

This is an old headline being recycled.

First, the "top climate diplomat" was from the previous administration. I assume Milei will fire them, but we'll see, maybe there's some political calculus that makes that difficult.

Second, this "top climate diplomat" ran off from Argentina during Milei's inauguration and announced, apparently on their own cognizance, all this crap about the Paris Agreement. If I had to guess, this is a stunt being pulled by Milei's opposition to make him appear unable to rein in his own government, thus making him look weak. If he were to openly contradict this diplomat, yet is unable to force him out of office due to political maneuvers, then he appears powerless, and this can be exploited to topple him. But if he allows the diplomat's words to go unchallenged, you get these stupid brainwashed propaganda news articles as above.
 
I don't understand why conservatives/libertarians so easily fall for this obvious propaganda...

This is an old headline being recycled.

First, the "top climate diplomat" was from the previous administration. I assume Milei will fire them, but we'll see, maybe there's some political calculus that makes that difficult.

Second, this "top climate diplomat" ran off from Argentina during Milei's inauguration and announced, apparently on their own cognizance, all this crap about the Paris Agreement. If I had to guess, this is a stunt being pulled by Milei's opposition to make him appear unable to rein in his own government, thus making him look weak. If he were to openly contradict this diplomat, yet is unable to force him out of office due to political maneuvers, then he appears powerless, and this can be exploited to topple him. But if he allows the diplomat's words to go unchallenged, you get these stupid brainwashed propaganda news articles as above.

Well, I hope you're right and I'm not inclined to go digging into it. Why would he include cap & trade in his omnibus bill, though, and not pull out of the Paris accord right off the bat?
 
Well, I hope you're right and I'm not inclined to go digging into it. Why would he include cap & trade in his omnibus bill, though, and not pull out of the Paris accord right off the bat?

You might find this episode helpful to sift through the propaganda:

 
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