Mike Pence To Decide On 2012 Presidential Run After 'Seeking Counsel' From Lord

[Original_Intent]

I'm a Christian, I have no problem with his faith. But Jesus should not become a talking point. And now if (WHEN) he runs, he might as well put a big ol' ENDORSED BY JESUS button on his lapel. It's disgusting and I can't believe someone would parlay his spirituality like that.

I mean if he was questioned about his faith that is one thing, but to interject it into the discussion and essentially have it as a selling point - reminds me of money changers in the temple.

 

[Brett85]

How do you know he's a Christian and prays regularly? Do you know him personally? I'm not saying he's not, but some people do use Jesus for votes. Bush talked a good talk, but he was a big fake.

I take him at his word when he says that he's a Christian, and I would say the same of Bush. I think that Bush's presidency was a failure overall, but I'm not going to call him a fake and say that he's not a Christian.

 

[Brett85]

True, there's nothing wrong with him praying, but he doesn't need to announce it, either. Because it comes off as pandering.

I don't think he was trying to pander to anyone. I think he just answered the question honestly and said what came to mind.

 

[Bruno]

I'm a Christian, I have no problem with his faith. But Jesus should not become a talking point. And now if (WHEN) he runs, he might as well put a big ol' ENDORSED BY JESUS button on his lapel. It's disgusting and I can't believe someone would parlay his spirituality like that.

I mean if he was questioned about his faith that is one thing, but to interject it into the discussion and essentially have it as a selling point - reminds me of money changers in the temple.

Good point.

And concerning after this

Bush says that God told him to go to war. An American Jihad

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=267660&highlight=bush+god

 

[Sola_Fide]

I hope Pence runs for governor of Indiana. Keep him as far away from foreign policy decisions as possible.

 

[HOLLYWOOD]

A Psychopathic god

Pence is a true believer, emotionally addicted to his belief in the sacrosanctness of Israel/AIPAC as an outcome of a visit to Yad Vashem.
Mark Braverman described Yad Vashem as an indoctrination center Israel for American politicians. Take a guess where Marco Rubio went? Yeap


US Congressmen are trotted to Israel, taken to YV, and administered the injection; thereafter, they are hooked.
Worth noting that AIPAC managed to carve out a special exemption for their activities in taking US legislators on those trips, from the controls on gifts to congressmen.


a. The trips to Israel have to stop, NOW.
b. Israel lobby(S) AIPAC, etc, should come under the same regs as any other lobby for a foreign state — ie. abide by gift limits, register under FORA, National Security Risks

c. Congress shall make no law — and declare no war — until it has visited the country targeted for harm by the actions of the US government. I would add a few bucks to my tax bill if every congressman took a trip to Iran.

 

[sofia]

Ruben......Rubenstein......Rubio

Cuba once had a decent size jewish community. Perhaps Marco is returning to his roots.

 

[TC95]

I take him at his word when he says that he's a Christian, and I would say the same of Bush. I think that Bush's presidency was a failure overall, but I'm not going to call him a fake and say that he's not a Christian.

Well, I will say that Bush is a fake because I believe that he was involved in the inside job of 911 and a Christian just wouldn't do those things. Watch 911 in Plane Site (link in my sig) and The Master of Puppets. I will not take anyone's word for it that they are a Christian except for people I personally know, not some distant politician who talks a good talk.

 

[Jordan]

We can spam the interwebz, but can we spam the heavens?

 

[Slutter McGee]

Last I checked 'Seeking Counsel' implied a two way conversation. If he can speak with God, and God speaks to him that would make him Jesus or at the very least an apostle no? I am reminded of Sinclair Lewis at these times.

Oh give me a break. So the man believes in the power of prayer and following the will of God. He would make a bad objectivist, but why the hell are we bashing somebody for their religious views?

It sorta drives me nuts. Seems that everyone here is either some hardcore atheist who thinks all religions are for the weak and must insult anyone who has religious beliefs, or they are hardcore religious nutcases believing they should be able to force their morality on everyone else...(but only at the state level).

Why don't you all make some room for people who respect religious beliefs even if they don't have many themselves. Like me.

Slutter McGee

 

[speciallyblend]

Good point.

And concerning after this

Bush says that God told him to go to war. An American Jihad

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=267660&highlight=bush+god

exactly,some of the biggest war hawks are christians(not all of course). We have the same problem in this country with right-wingers as islam has with radical islam! We just use government to enforce instead of terrorists, Fight Gov Terrorism! end undeclared wars and wars on american citizens!!! Ron Paul 2012

 

[Yieu]

Oh give me a break. So the man believes in the power of prayer and following the will of God. He would make a bad objectivist, but why the hell are we bashing somebody for their religious views?

It sorta drives me nuts. Seems that everyone here is either some hardcore atheist who thinks all religions are for the weak and must insult anyone who has religious beliefs, or they are hardcore religious nutcases believing they should be able to force their morality on everyone else...(but only at the state level).

Why don't you all make some room for people who respect religious beliefs even if they don't have many themselves. Like me.

Slutter McGee

I see you... it would also be nice to see a bit more tolerance and acceptance of the equal legitimacy of the religious beliefs of those who are strongly religious (and not interested in forcing beliefs), but politely ascribe to a religion which is not Christianity. Not to say that many here would hold such quarrelsome intolerance, though.

 

[Southron]

I see you... it would also be nice to see a bit more tolerance and acceptance of the equal legitimacy of the religious beliefs of those who are strongly religious (and not interested in forcing beliefs), but politely ascribe to a religion which is not Christianity.

The Bible teaches that Jesus is the only way. So any kind of acceptance in that sense denies the fundamental teaching of scripture.

The fact that many people will only vote for "Christians", despite being marginal "Christians" themselves, is more of a cultural thing than a religious one I believe.

 

[Yieu]

The Bible teaches that Jesus is the only way. So any kind of acceptance in that sense denies the fundamental teaching of scripture.

The fact that many people will only vote for "Christians", despite being marginal "Christians" themselves, is more of a cultural thing than a religious one I believe.

We both worship the same God. Why do you refuse that we are brothers under God? We just have different preferences on how we worship Him. As this is LibertyForest.com, I'm sure we can look past our differences.

We could get along a lot better if you didn't give an intolerant ultimatum, and were less condescending. We both just want to try our best to love God, to the best of our understanding. That should be enough to set aside our differences, and be able to rationally talk about the similarities and kinship under God that our religions enjoy.

On your last point, yes it would be nice if someone like myself could run for office as a liberty candidate, but the public is not ready for it unfortunately.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I see you... it would also be nice to see a bit more tolerance and acceptance of the equal legitimacy of the religious beliefs of those who are strongly religious (and not interested in forcing beliefs), but politely ascribe to a religion which is not Christianity. Not to say that many here would hold such quarrelsome intolerance, though.

I don't accept the equal legitamacy of all religions...and I should have the full liberty of conscience to do that.

 

[LibertyEagle]

We both worship the same God. Why do you refuse that we are brothers under God? We just have different preferences on how we worship Him. As this is LibertyForest.com, I'm sure we can look past our differences.

We could get along a lot better if you didn't give an intolerant ultimatum, and were less condescending. We both just want to try our best to love God, to the best of our understanding. That should be enough to set aside our differences, and be able to rationally talk about the similarities and kinship under God that our religions enjoy.

On your last point, yes it would be nice if someone like myself could run for office as a liberty candidate, but the public is not ready for it unfortunately.

I do not agree that all religions do worship the same God. However, I do agree with you that we should be able to put that aside and work for liberty for all.

 

[Yieu]

I don't accept the equal legitamacy of all religions...and I should have the full liberty of conscience to do that.

I accept and respect your religion. I don't think it is too much to ask the same in kind. The opposite involves oppression and force. I tend to apply the non-aggression principle. I see you as a kind and loving brother who worships the same God as I do, and I would worship God beside you. I do not see the need for conflict or thinking of me as a "second class citizen" -- we share something special and sacred that is rather rare: the striving to love God in our hearts.

I don't mean to say you shouldn't be "free" to think quite so lowly of me, you certainly have that right. But there is no need for conflict either, we are so close yet pushed apart by artificial divisions.

 

[Yieu]

I do not agree that all religions do worship the same God. However, I do agree with you that we should be able to put that aside and work for liberty for all.

Well, I am sure there are countless thousands of religions, most of which might be local and involve some local demi-god of sorts. I can't say they all worship the same God. But as a Hindu, formerly Christian, I can tell you that I have worshiped the same God all my life, as there is only one God who is Supreme, and though others may wish to push me away, in my heart I know they are my brother under God. I just prefer to worship Him a little differently. I hope that does not anger or offend.

 

[speciallyblend]

The Bible teaches that Jesus is the only way. So any kind of acceptance in that sense denies the fundamental teaching of scripture.

The fact that many people will only vote for "Christians", despite being marginal "Christians" themselves, is more of a cultural thing than a religious one I believe.

religion is man-made and has the same agenda as dems and republicans before there were dems and republicans! I have a feeling many christians will be very dissapointed in the end game! When the truth that is not known to man is known by man!! It is about control and power just ask the vatican and any other religious leaders who control religious sects! they probably will not tell the truth
People should have more faith in a higher being or god or whatever label you want to attach to the creator to make you feel comfy then any controlled religion for power and control!!!! I have no faith in organized religions! God/Creator/Highe Being told me do not trust organized religions dems or republicans except Ron Paul! It is devine intervention that i am a registered republican! Right-wingers are some of the most biggov people alive in our country!!

I will continue fighting for Ron Paul 2012 but the gop will do everything in their power to make sure it doesn't happen! Being a registered republican,dealing with the gop in my eyes is like dealing with the devil!

We should not be focusing on obama but the failed gop leadership! The more i hear from the gop .The more i think i will have to vote 3rd party! The devil is running against the devil is not a reason to vote republican!! We will see what Rand does but i do not even trust rand! Ron Paul 2012 ps we are not only fighting neo-cons but right-winger nuts in the gop most of the time one in the same!!!!

 

[dean.engelhardt]

Pence will have to wait until after the football season. The Lord is to busy deciding football games.