Middle-class fleeing California invasion.

[catdd]

When black people tell me they can't get ahead because of the white man I tell them to look at all the successful black people and how they got ahead. I then tell them to stop worrying about shit they can't control, stop whining and do something with their lives. I've had that conversation more than once in my old neighborhood.

Do I really need to have it with you? Do you really not see successful white people all around you? Suck it up and stop whining. No one is oppressing you for being white.

I hate when black people do it but at least they could make a reasonable argument. How could anyone take a look around this world and say "man it's so hard to be white and get ahead... I mean all the rich people are minorities"... Seriously dude?

Are you on stinking drugs? Do you see me wallowing in despair and sucking up government funds? I work hard and make a decent living asswipe.
You pretend that groups like the NAACP, La Raza, SPLC, and ADL do not have whites in their crosshairs and that only proves you are ether ignorant or living in lala land with your good friends.
Having that conversation a few times in your old neighborhood isn't getting anything done NOW - is it?
You'd be much better served convincing blacks to stop sucking the government's tit than trying to convince me that I should ignore things like the MIAC report and the erosion of the 1st Amendment.
The ADL and the SPLC are not some unimportant groups that will go away if you ignore them; they are powerful groups with close ties to The Dept. of Homeland Security.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Cali is not the only state losing people:

http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/108478/biggest-losers-where-americans-are-not-moving

 

[BlackTerrel]

Are you on stinking drugs? Do you see me wallowing in despair and sucking up government funds? I work hard and make a decent living asswipe.

Awesome.

You pretend that groups like the NAACP, La Raza, SPLC, and ADL do not have whites in their crosshairs and that only proves you are ether ignorant or living in lala land with your good friends.

What have these groups done to you?

 

[Dunedain]

When black people tell me they can't get ahead because of the white man I tell them to look at all the successful black people and how they got ahead.

Do you also tell them that institutional racism does not apply to blacks at all but does to whites? Do you mention that it is they, blacks, that benefit from these legislative handicaps and that they need to take advantage of them while they are available? Do you mention that all they don't need to have the same level of competence as a white person to obtain and keep a similar job? Do you mention to your black friends, that this is one of the only opportunities that ever occurred in society where the social rules favor something who is less qualified to do the job?

I would mention all of these things to your friends and urge them to take advantage of this opportunity, before nature rights itself again.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Do you also tell them that institutional racism does not apply to blacks at all but does to whites? Do you mention that it is they, blacks, that benefit from these legislative handicaps and that they need to take advantage of them while they are available? Do you mention that all they don't need to have the same level of competence as a white person to obtain and keep a similar job? Do you mention to your black friends, that this is one of the only opportunities that ever occurred in society where the social rules favor something who is less qualified to do the job?

I would mention all of these things to your friends and urge them to take advantage of this opportunity, before nature rights itself again.

Your hatred will kill you man.... could you expand on what you mean "nature rights itself again"? I am pretty sure I know what you mean but I'd like it out here in the open.

 

[Dieseler]

Your hatred will kill you man.... could you expand on what you mean "nature rights itself again"? I am pretty sure I know what you mean but I'd like it out here in the open.

Well say it then lol.
Tell us how you really feel.

 

[MelissaWV]

I don't think it's nature righting itself. I think that, ultimately, the discrimination gets tipped so far that people can't afford to subsidize it anymore. It happens with more than race. It takes a really, really long time, though, and there are loud and influential voices that will yell until they are blue in the face that the "help" is still needed.

Race-based organizations that cannot achieve their goals in a self-contained manner should take a flying leap. If you want to run a charity for a certain "kind" of person, go for it. If you want to advocate for a certain "group," go for it. Just stop trying to make policy with the Affirmative Action, Hate Crime, Gay Rights, Women's Rights, blah blah blah legislation. Maybe the only exception out there should be for those with diminished capacity (the elderly, children, mentally disabled, etc.) who might (just might) need some legislation tailored to their specific situations. Race, religion, gender, height, weight, eye color, hair color, left-handedness... shouldn't determine your worthiness for protection under the law.

As for the California "invasion," the biggest problem is that people don't just stop at the actual problem. There's a distinct element that goes past the issue at hand, and zooms right to hating all brown people, or all Mexicans, or all Spanish-speakers, or whatever else. The speech drips with it. Instead of having a problem with the subset that's actually crafting the situation, it's lazy and easy to extend it to everyone.

 

[Dunedain]

Race-based organizations that cannot achieve their goals in a self-contained manner should take a flying leap. If you want to run a charity for a certain "kind" of person, go for it. If you want to advocate for a certain "group," go for it. Just stop trying to make policy with the Affirmative Action, Hate Crime, Gay Rights, Women's Rights, blah blah blah legislation. Maybe the only exception out there should be for those with diminished capacity (the elderly, children, mentally disabled, etc.) who might (just might) need some legislation tailored to their specific situations. Race, religion, gender, height, weight, eye color, hair color, left-handedness... shouldn't determine your worthiness for protection under the law.

Identity politics is very useful for the group. If I form a group of blacks that ipush for special rights we are more likely to be granted those rights than acting independently. The success rewards those who belong to such groups. That is why 1,000 blacks in the NAACP are more effective in getting their political will realized than 1,000 blacks that are not organized.

The problem is minorities are the only groups that are allowed free association.

As for the California "invasion," the biggest problem is that people don't just stop at the actual problem. There's a distinct element that goes past the issue at hand, and zooms right to hating all brown people, or all Mexicans, or all Spanish-speakers, or whatever else. The speech drips with it. Instead of having a problem with the subset that's actually crafting the situation, it's lazy and easy to extend it to everyone.

good point. We can't get hung up on hating Mexican's for stealing our resources. It is our government that is handing over the country to Mexico. it is they that deserve to feel our wrath.

 

[Lord Xar]

What have these groups done to you?

Stop being stupid BT. In the face of many truths, you act the ignorant noble - One doesn't need direct negative experience with something to see the awful destruction it creates.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Dunedain could you explain what you mean by "nature rights itself again"?

 

[Bman]

Dunedain could you explain what you mean by "nature rights itself again"?

I think he's a little off with "nature". I think he intends to say that government intervention won't last forever, and that when things operate without government interference that thay are natural(?). Although I wouldn't go that far and call it nature. I'd call it personal freedom to do business how you see best.

 

[Dunedain]

Dunedain could you explain what you mean by "nature rights itself again"?

Can't you answer my questions first? Do you explain to your friends and family that they should take advantage of free money while they have the chance? Society unnaturally favors those with the right skin color for handouts nowadays....

When nature rights itself, people who are on welfare will be cut off because welfare is unnatural = evil. Worse they will have spent their years learning how to live off others and be double screwed. Nature gives a finger to those who are so weak they must live off others and expect the productive to give to the unproductive. I'm sure you know what i mean. Nature requires people to fend for themselves or be unfit for survival. How embarrassing for you that you had to ask me twice what this means. Don't you know yourself? Perhaps you also live off the public dole, or have family that does? Talk to the hand....not the handout.

 

[BlackTerrel]

Can't you answer my questions first? Do you explain to your friends and family that they should take advantage of free money while they have the chance? Society unnaturally favors those with the right skin color for handouts nowadays....

When nature rights itself, people who are on welfare will be cut off because welfare is unnatural = evil. Worse they will have spent their years learning how to live off others and be double screwed. Nature gives a finger to those who are so weak they must live off others and expect the productive to give to the unproductive. I'm sure you know what i mean. Nature requires people to fend for themselves or be unfit for survival. How embarrassing for you that you had to ask me twice what this means. Don't you know yourself? Perhaps you also live off the public dole, or have family that does? Talk to the hand....not the handout.

I'll be just fine with nature Dunedain. I work my ass off and seek to make a living the best way I know how. I don't blame others for my problems and take responsibility for my successes and failures.

You're in a small small minority, the vast majority of all people disagree with you. Remember that.

 

[cheapseats]

Take action; fax Congress for free at

I am asking seriously, not rhetorically. Does writing/faxing/phoning/emailing Congress constitute taking action? I spent lotsa money and more time carefully crafting thoughtful albeit angry letters, with plethoras of cc's, only to receive patronizing THANK YOU FOR CONTACTING ME! and I RECOGNIZE YOUR CONCERNS bullshit non-answers. I have made phone calls only to talk with apologists whose loyalty to crappy Civil Servants puts food on their tables.

I sense that only Civil Disobedience has an effect. And violence, of course. But you know how we abhor violence.

Aside from being surveilled, curtailed and archived, I sense that ALL COMMUNICATION is viewed as Weakness -- literally, as signal that complacent and cowardly Americans are still sitting in their chairs, doing as they're told.

Power Brokers don't CARE if peons and proletariat grumble, so long as Little People DO as they are bidden.

 

[MelissaWV]

I am asking seriously, not rhetorically. Does writing/faxing/phoning/emailing Congress constitute taking action? I spent lotsa money and more time carefully crafting thoughtful albeit angry letters, with plethoras of cc's, only to receive patronizing THANK YOU FOR CONTACTING ME! and I RECOGNIZE YOUR CONCERNS bullshit non-answers. I have made phone calls only to talk with apologists whose loyalty to crappy Civil Servants puts food on their tables.

I sense that only Civil Disobedience has an effect. I fear that aside from being surveilled, curtailed and archived, ALL COMMUNICATION is viewed as Weakness, literally, as signal that complacent and cowardly Americans are still sitting in their chairs, doing as they're told. Power Brokers don't CARE if peons and proletariat grumble, so long as Little People DO as they are bidden.

Letter/fax/email/call campaigns generate statistics, so in that sense they do work. They are greatly filtered before they ever reach their intended addressee, but if, say, the volume of mail increases greatly in reaction to an issue being in the news, then it's considered a "hot" issue. Is it "hot" with constituents? That makes it even more important. Do the constituents who wrote in feel overwhelmingly one way or another? Something more to consider. Are these angry constituents in a likely voting group?

If there's a stack of mail from concerned citizens, they'll receive the cookie-cutter response, but the numbers MAY make a difference. It just can't be the ONLY thing done.

 

[cheapseats]

Letter/fax/email/call campaigns generate statistics, so in that sense they do work. They are greatly filtered before they ever reach their intended addressee, but if, say, the volume of mail increases greatly in reaction to an issue being in the news, then it's considered a "hot" issue. Is it "hot" with constituents? That makes it even more important. Do the constituents who wrote in feel overwhelmingly one way or another? Something more to consider. Are these angry constituents in a likely voting group?

If there's a stack of mail from concerned citizens, they'll receive the cookie-cutter response, but the numbers MAY make a difference. It just can't be the ONLY thing done.

Americans OVERWHELMINGLY objected to Hank the Bank's TARP scheme. It mattered not ONE BIT.

Do you think the stacks of mail and statistics connoting a "hot" issue actually cause Public Sycophants to legislate in line with the people's wishes? Or do you think Officials have ALREADY established their agendas, and that degree of flak affects pace, implementation and Loop Holes/Exemptions?

Selling American ports to the United Arab Emirates -- THAT, I'll grant, WAS torpedoed by good ol' American OVER MY DEAD BODY.

 

[Pericles]

Back when I was seriously involved in politics, I also had some resources to bring to bear to check on what was going on.

Example: We took FEC reports and fed them into a computer and cross referenced it with PACs, contributers, and their positions on issues.

Results: If a Representative got over $136K in contributions that represented a position on an issue, that is how the vote went. For Senators, it was about $259K.

I expect in the subsequent 15 years since my study, votes have gotten more expensive to buy.

 

[andrewh817]

Take action; fax Congress for free at

http://www.NumbersUSA.com

Unless you're sending a multi-million donation your message will not come up on their radars

 

[Carson]

Unless you're sending a multi-million donation your message will not come up on their radars

I think they have been noticing the Numbers USA faxes. I would think that many would be hard to miss.

Seven million this year.

 

[romacox]

The meaning of the word "Naturalization in 1828 as per Websters dictionary.

Displaying 1 result(s) from the 1828 edition:

NATURALIZATION, n. [See Naturalize] The act of investing an alien with the rights and privileges of a native subject or citizen. Naturalization in Great Britain is only by act of parliament. In the United States, it is by act of Congress, vesting certain tribunals with the power.
http://machaut.uchicago.edu/websters