Memorial Day Thread. (please bump)

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In memory and respect for all those that have taken the Oath.
To all Veterans. Present Service members and Patriots,
Happy Memorial Day.

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I don't support war, I don't support killing, I don't support the warrior, I do not support the troops.
 
Fredom101 said:
I don't support war, I don't support killing, I don't support the warrior, I do not support the troops.
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This is a Memorial Day thread. Please respect the topic:

"In memory and respect for all those that have taken the Oath.
To all Veterans. Present Service members and Patriots,
Happy Memorial Day."

Thanks Pete... for keeping your oath.
 
VegasPatriot said:
This is a Memorial Day thread. Please respect the topic:

"In memory and respect for all those that have taken the Oath.
To all Veterans. Present Service members and Patriots,
Happy Memorial Day."

Thanks Pete... for keeping your oath.
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Respect? On this board? It's unlikely.

It would also do for people to read the words on the picture that was posted in the OP. Perhaps people could stop being so harsh and high and mighty and ponder the impact that veterans recommitting themselves to the Constitution and to the freedom of the people has.

This movement is filled with very respectable veterans of various wars and peacetimes. Before another poster decides they want to use the opportunity to make a snide remark about "all the troops" and "soldiers in general," they would do well to remember that.

Thank you for this thread, Pete, and for so much more. I hope I'm proven wrong, and that from here on out only kind words are posted :)
 
While I have sympathy with the "harsh" posters, in that I'm not too keen on memorializing the state's enforcers, out of a deep respect I have for men like Pete, and Ron and Gunny and all the rest working to restore freedom rather than crush it out, Happy Memorial Day.

May there come a time when we won't have to have such a thing.
 
Isn't Memorial Day a celebration of the sacrifice and power in the modern world?

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Agorism said:
Isn't Memorial Day a celebration of the sacrifice and power in the modern world?
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No.
It is a day of remembrance for those that chose (for whatever reason) to serve their country and their fellow man.
 
Anti Federalist said:
While I have sympathy with the "harsh" posters, in that I'm not too keen on memorializing the state's enforcers, out of a deep respect I have for men like Pete, and Ron and Gunny and all the rest working to restore freedom rather than crush it out, Happy Memorial Day.

May there come a time when we won't have to have such a thing.
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Right on, man!
 
"Harsh" posters: To understand the pro-liberty people who are OK with Memorial Day, think of it as memorializing those who really did fight for liberty in the American Revolutionary War. I'm not saying that was a perfect war either, but it *was* justified, and fought on behalf of true libertarian/classical liberal principles. Or think of it as memorializing V from V for Vendetta. Or the Chinese man with the lunch bag standing in the way of the tanks in Tiananmen Square. That is how they think of it, I think -- as honoring true heroism in a noble cause.
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Like you, I don't really "support the troops" either, but I do support them as human beings who are part of humanity. I think it would be nice if they could stay alive instead of dying pointlessly for the schemes of evil men.

The war propaganda machine is strong and deeply culturally entrenched. Even many pro-liberty people are attracted to join the military. This is an attraction I do not share nor understand, but it exists just the same. It can turn to our advantage in things like the Kokesh for Congress campaign. Even the Ron Paul movement benefited from his involvement in the military, giving him credibility in some people's minds, leading to their minds being open to the message of liberty.
 
I support the troops, not because I support being lied into war and nation-building, but precisely because I don't. American soldiers have a right to their lives, and it is a violation of that right to send them to fight for any reason other than defense from external aggression.

"This Memorial Day, we must call for a stop to the sacrifice of our soldiers and condemn all those who demand it."

Stop the sacrifice of American soldiers.
 
An article I thought was funny.

http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/784/fuck-the-troops/

These are not the best we have to offer, although they may indeed be the most typical. I am speaking of the distinct, undeniably creeping stench of trash – po’ white trash above all, but all those who, under the guise of sacrifice and duty, sign away their lives because not even the local community college will accept someone so deficient in the intellectual arts. I simply refuse to salute anyone who has chosen a career path out of sheer desperation and the self-serving drive to fund that which is impossible to achieve by merit or scholarship. It isn’t Uncle Sam and the ghosts of our war dead that push our Jethros, our Jim Bobs, and our Crystals onto distant shores, it is the acquisition of job skills and a piece of parchment that will allow them to leave the double-wide behind forevermore.
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So while you attend your parades and place hand over heart, I will be immersed in my shame. Tho’ the uniforms be crisp and the boots be shiny, the skin beneath them houses the opportunist, the breeder, or the dropout. And if all you have to say to me is that I speak out of ignorance or the arrogance of a man too afraid to fight, I say that is no argument indeed. Of course I do not wish to be shot, and yes, I would be pissing my pants on the flight over, but I am honest enough to admit that I have no desire to defend the interests of those who do not represent the principles I hold dear. And neither do they, the soldiers, only they cannot speak openly about their naked self-interest. They cling to love of country, but it is nothing of the sort. The only alternative to selfish goals is a genuine ignorance; a willingness to accept the party line from the top brass. If that is the case, my point regarding their simple natures is proven. For no one with even a shred of decency or intellectual honesty would believe that our current engagements are in defense of liberty and justice for all. If it turns into Red Dawn, I’ll polish my rifle and meet you at the front. But until then, I won’t die for the soccer mom and her perceived right to drive a Hummer.
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I've got respect for people who join the military for noble reasons. Those that joined to serve their country and fellow man, I definitely respect them and the people who died trying to do what they believed was right. Often times I find military folk very knowledgeable about history, and have a fair sense in calling out BS when they see someone spewing it.

The only mixed feelings I have about Memorial Day is over an unfortunate few I've met who simply liked to kill. I don't respect that. I don't respect that people fight wars that they don't believe in or struggle to justify, though I understand that they have little choice otherwise.
 
Justinjj1 said:
An article I thought was funny.

http://www.ruthlessreviews.com/784/fuck-the-troops/
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The guy who wrote this has no clue about who enters the military.

The average soldiers is NOT from a poverty stricken family. Most are middle class. Very few come from wealthy families, but very few come from the "bottom of the barrel" either. Contrary to what Michael Moore would have you believe, extremely poor areas, whether inner-city ghettos or rural districts, are not good recruiting grounds because a large percentage of the people in those areas aren't good enough to get into the military.

Also, the average person in the military is more intelligent than the average American- that may seem counter-intuitive, but it's true.
 
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