Conza88
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LOL.. it pretty much appears you've done exactly that.
MEETUP Folks- Who is Tim Shaw?
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LOL.. it pretty much appears you've done exactly that.
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No, as I've stated repeatedly, I have no idea who this person is but it seems unlikely that it's council member from La Habra. It seems much more likely that it's one of the 3 people named Tim Shaw who are actually from Fairfield Iowa.
Pay attention will you.
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No, as I've stated repeatedly, I have no idea who this person is but it seems unlikely that it's council member from La Habra. It seems much more likely that it's one of the 3 people named Tim Shaw who are actually from Fairfield Iowa.
Pay attention will you.
I was, just wanted you to spell it out for everyone..
So what exactly is the self-interest of the other potential Tim Shaws...?
Besides the most compelling and obvious explanation.. that its the dude who belongs to the McCain & Romney camp... you don't think the GOP has been snooping out Ron Paul supporters plans.... argh, LOL.
What self-interest is there for the other Tim Shaw's? In all likelyhood the 19 yr old kid you mentioned is statistically more likely to be gunning for Obama.. What potential purpose or goal is there, in joining every single Ron Paul meetup possible?
Basically all the above is moot... irrelevent in the descision making process of what to do with him.
- Is he a local member? Has he actually attended a meetup?
- Has he contributed in anyway shape or form to the meetup?
- Is there any likely-hood he will in the future?
- No, No, No. = Boot.
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I was, just wanted you to spell it out for everyone..
So what exactly is the self-interest of the other potential Tim Shaws...?
Besides the most compelling and obvious explanation.. that its the dude who belongs to the McCain & Romney camp... you don't think the GOP has been snooping out Ron Paul supporters plans.... argh, LOL.
What self-interest is there for the other Tim Shaw's? In all likelyhood the 19 yr old kid you mentioned is statistically more likely to be gunning for Obama.. What potential purpose or goal is there, in joining every single Ron Paul meetup possible?
Basically all the above is moot... irrelevent in the descision making process of what to do with him.
- Is he a local member? Has he actually attended a meetup?
- Has he contributed in anyway shape or form to the meetup?
- Is there any likely-hood he will in the future?
- No, No, No. = Boot.
Yes, it's not relevant at all. I have booted him from my meetup and contacted quite a few other meetups to let them know. The only meetup that is aware of this situation and still hasn't booted him is the Fairfield group. He may actually be one of us, let him prove himself there before we start assuming he's a GOP plant.
I have a GOP plant in my meetup, and he's damned obvious, supports McCan't openly and I leave him there for the disinfo I can give him.
The big question is simply: Is he one of us?
Who knows but based on the performance of the Fairfield group I trust them to find out.
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Our guys identified someone in the wrong state, who happens to have the same name and is involved with GOP politics.
And of course it couldn't have been the other Tim Shaws in the donor lists - like the Democratic Pastor or The manager of a recycling center - who also live in the wrong state.
He tried joining 2 of my groups and left the following profile:
"I am working for a non-profit organization that wants to provide constitution education to Americans. We hope to help keep the Ron Paul revolution alive. I would like to give some information to your members. We do not spam or ask for donations."
his location is listed as: Fairfield, IA
Maybe it's this one:
Timothy S & Marilyn S Shaw
home
507 Fairview Ave
Muscatine, IA 52761-4933
(563) 263-0143
http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindPerson?firstname=Tim&name=Shaw&city_zip=Muscatine&state_id=IA
And this page lists 25 entries, mostly for 2 Tim Shaw's that live in IA, and it looks like they move a lot - and one is 28/29 and the other 40 - but there are:
Tim Shaw
Tim J Shaw
Tim M Shaw
Timothy Shaw
Timothy J Shaw
Timothy L Shaw
Timothy M Shaw
Timothy P Shaw
and
Timothy Perry Shaw
(Probably 4 Tim Shaws here, and I bet at least some are related...)
and that's only the ones in the Internet White pages! - If someone has access to commercial databases, and cal look up unlisted numbers, you would probably find about 50 Tim Shaws in Iowa.
Better than the CIA my ass! - that's the kind of sloppy "Intelligence" that got us into the Iraq war.
But yeah - there is still the point that he is joining all these Ron Paul groups and what the hell is he up to as well as who is he?
-n
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Looks like others caught the "Tossing darts for a guilty looking Tim Shaw" before I did, as I didn't read all 9 pages of this thread before posting.
One thing is obvious, and that is that he's joining under a number of Meetup Account names. I'm guessing that Meetup cuts you off on eithor the total number of Meetups you can join with one account or the total number per month. So it's probably a Meetup Limitation and not an attempt at deceit.
Meetups with open admission can expect spam as soon as he finishes his group joining spasms...
-n
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We have between 1,450 and 1,500, depending on which count you believe. We are loosing 80 a month.
People have done mass joining projects, one out of this forum - they got help but did most of it themselves. It took them over a week and that was when we had half the Meetups. It was to promote a RP project.
He's stated he wants to post some message. and he's mostly getting into the open join groups, and getting booted from the private ones. If he was just here to monitor he'd do something like: Google: KEYWORD site:ronpaul.meetup.com/####/messages/ and some additional syntax for date ranges.
but he probably doesn't know that, and it doesn't work for private groups, which he's mostly not getting into anyway.
OTOH: google does put some limitations on how many queries you can do a day and I don't think they collect all of our traffic, but searching a site should trigger the spider to scan it more throughly.
There are also freeware spiders out there that will do this, as any open group is open read for our mail spools.
As I recall, Meetup also offers some RSS features, so he may be trying to get traffic mailed to him for data mining, but really - he's probably wanting to spam his message to us - whatever that is.
As he claims to be from a "conservative group" has anyone tried contacting JBS or tax protest groups in IA to inquire about him?
What ever he's up to, he's not being very smart about how he's going about it.
If you are an organizer, you can post about it on Meetups organizer forum.
-n
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OK, after finally reading this whole thread, here are the logical conclusions
that I've come to...
At first I thought his welcome message was suspicious but on second
thought, why would an infiltrate say that he wants to promote a non-profit
and won't spam and ask for money? If it was an infiltrate, then he more than
likely would stay far, far away from mentioning anything about 'not sending
spam' and 'not asking for money'.
The more I think about it, the more I see that this 'Tim Shaw' is probably
just signing up for all the meetups so that he can send emails to promote
whatever non-profit business it is. It may very well be a 'for profit'.
Either way, see if we can find out the non-profit.
...How about just sending him an email asking him why he signed up
to all of the meetups? To simple maybe? (or send it when deleting him)
Hunter
p.s. Tim Shaw is a very common name. So maybe none of these 3 Tims are the right one!
p.p.s. What was the very first meetup that he signed up for? That may shed some light
on where he's from.
that I've come to...
At first I thought his welcome message was suspicious but on second
thought, why would an infiltrate say that he wants to promote a non-profit
and won't spam and ask for money? If it was an infiltrate, then he more than
likely would stay far, far away from mentioning anything about 'not sending
spam' and 'not asking for money'.
The more I think about it, the more I see that this 'Tim Shaw' is probably
just signing up for all the meetups so that he can send emails to promote
whatever non-profit business it is. It may very well be a 'for profit'.
Either way, see if we can find out the non-profit.
...How about just sending him an email asking him why he signed up
to all of the meetups? To simple maybe? (or send it when deleting him)
Hunter
p.s. Tim Shaw is a very common name. So maybe none of these 3 Tims are the right one!
p.p.s. What was the very first meetup that he signed up for? That may shed some light
on where he's from.
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that's what I was just saying
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WHOA! - I just got the real scoop on this "Tim Shaw" - yep, went to Google Images and out of the 65,000 images found I scanned the first few pages and discovered:
He's 16, and 40 and around 55
He's an artist - does stained glass and sculpture (some of it obscene)
He lives in England
He's a caucasion, but sometimes he's black.
He's bald, has a crew cut, long hair, and black, brown and red hair
He plays professional football
he's a musician
He's a CEO
etc.
Damb, this guy gets around!
-n
He's 16, and 40 and around 55
He's an artist - does stained glass and sculpture (some of it obscene)
He lives in England
He's a caucasion, but sometimes he's black.
He's bald, has a crew cut, long hair, and black, brown and red hair
He plays professional football
he's a musician
He's a CEO
etc.
Damb, this guy gets around!
-n
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I wonder if his "conservative group" has a Meetup/website/name of it's own.
"I am working for a non-profit organization that wants to provide constitution education to Americans. We hope to help keep the Ron Paul revolution alive. I would like to give some information to your members. We do not spam or ask for donations."
If it is a non-profit tax-exempt group, we should be able to find it.
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LoL. An email sent to an Atlanta meetup organizer, who queried. Think I stipulated this early on. Question though is whats the non-profit organization?.... and wouldn't he have actually mentioned the organization..? I mean, paranoia has a slippery slope, hahah. But these are all valid questions. And if we follow the valid and legitimate answers - we can get to the bottom of this and the truth.
So this process has been rather needed regardless. QFT.
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http://www.amazon.com/Restoring-Heart-America-Return-Government/dp/1886656096
This is the only relevant info I could find for "Restoring the Heart of America." There's no obvious connection between this book and Tim Shaw. I'm no super-sleuth, though.
This is the only relevant info I could find for "Restoring the Heart of America." There's no obvious connection between this book and Tim Shaw. I'm no super-sleuth, though.
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Searched here:
http://www.guidestar.org/
I found nothing about "Restoring the Heart of America". I don't have a premium account so I could only search by name, keyword, city, or state....but I found nothing.
Note: If a non-profit makes less than $25,000 I don't think they have to file a tax return...but they should still be registered somewhere as a non-profit, right?
http://www.guidestar.org/
I found nothing about "Restoring the Heart of America". I don't have a premium account so I could only search by name, keyword, city, or state....but I found nothing.
Note: If a non-profit makes less than $25,000 I don't think they have to file a tax return...but they should still be registered somewhere as a non-profit, right?
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Pretty good detective work! The endorsements on the cover of this book (published in 2002) include this one from Ron Paul "A well articulated and very positive description of what will happen when we return to the fundamental and eternally valid principles upon which this country was founded".
It's written by Fairfield's Clyde Cleveland and Ed Noyes who are among our strongest Ron Paul supporters and helped us win the only county in Iowa for Ron Paul this year. In my precinct we won with a staggering 79%.
I'm the organizer for the Fairfield Ron Paul Meetup and I don't know Tim Shaw but know Clyde and Ed well and I can assure you their project relating to their book ReStoring the Heart of America has the very best of intentions for all in the Ron Paul Revolution. I don't know much about it and I suggest you ask Tim through your meetup groups what it's all about.
Brian Horsfield,
Fairfield Iowa Ron Paul Meetup
Tim Shaw running for office in LaHabra
Tim just made a mass-exodus from Meetup.com totally.
[Please do not post personal info here- thanks- rph]
rph, its not personal, it was on his home page for his public campaign which is probably cached at Google now.
http://www.timshaw2008.com/
Tim just made a mass-exodus from Meetup.com totally.
[Please do not post personal info here- thanks- rph]
rph, its not personal, it was on his home page for his public campaign which is probably cached at Google now.
http://www.timshaw2008.com/
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There is no evidence that the Tim Shaw you're referring to is the Tim Shaw from all our meetups. I have removed him from mine and anyone who is concerned should feel free to do the same. However, the meetup organizer from Fairfield is aware of this (see above) and there is a possibility, however small, that this guy is an overzealous RP supporter.
That being said, I would suggest that we leave the guy from La Habra alone until we can prove, without a doubt, that he is the one behind this.
