Master Cleanse (maple syrup, lemon/lime juice, red pepper & water)

I broke my fast on the start of day 9 mainly due to nausea from the salt water flush. I'd do the flush at night and when I still felt like throwing up the next morning I called it quits. (I hate throwing up.) The nausea had been building from about day 3. The flush also gave me headaches. Any chance the cleanse would work if you didn't do the salt water flush?

My tongue also got all white and weird feeling. I thought the enamel on my teeth was coming off.

While on the cleanse I really enjoyed preparing food for the family and arranging the food on the plates.

I did lose 12 pounds though.

This was the longest fast I've ever done. I'd like to try it again without the salt water.

Thank you Lucius for all your helpful advise and comments.
 
ehh what end did those stones come out of?? That is a bit fascinating to see that came out of your liver LOL WOW I am curious to see what would come out of mine.
 
I broke my fast on the start of day 9 mainly due to nausea from the salt water flush. I'd do the flush at night and when I still felt like throwing up the next morning I called it quits. (I hate throwing up.) The nausea had been building from about day 3. The flush also gave me headaches. Any chance the cleanse would work if you didn't do the salt water flush?

My tongue also got all white and weird feeling. I thought the enamel on my teeth was coming off.

While on the cleanse I really enjoyed preparing food for the family and arranging the food on the plates.

I did lose 12 pounds though.

This was the longest fast I've ever done. I'd like to try it again without the salt water.

Thank you Lucius for all your helpful advise and comments.

Way to go! My wife had a lot of trouble with the salt water flush and the cleanse in general; she quit at day three. I keep prodding her to give it another go and to stay in bed if she needs to. She just went through another round of antibiotics with Zmax--I am pretty sure that the 'miracle' of modern western medicine is going to loose it's shine for her sooner or later--reoccurring pneumonia.

I would give it another try and just use the senna leaf tea at bed and maybe in the morning--experiment with it, I also plan to try this with the wife.

I like cooking too for my family while fasting; I gleaned some very interesting dispassionate observations from it.

Many thanks to people like Joe Naab, youngbuck, Nija Homer etc... who got me going down this path as well. :)
 
ehh what end did those stones come out of?? That is a bit fascinating to see that came out of your liver LOL WOW I am curious to see what would come out of mine.

After the Epsom salts start kicking-in the next morning: they rocket out of your tail end. :o
 
Yes, I could feel the stones moving, also all the noises and churning--a unique experience; I found it somewhat enjoyable and definitely fascinating. The juice/Epsom salts and the juice/olive oil were not that distasteful; I was preparing for a major gag-reflux and there was none. I feel much calmer after the cleanse, but I was tad-bit angry during, but mostly at the wife who was trying to get me to get up and do "honey do's/chores", nobody goes to bed at 10 pm around here. I can feel the energy building already. Next Liver Flush, after the movements stop, I will chug a liter of distilled water with two teaspoons of non-iodized sea salt as an added flush. And yes, I have some oxy-powder that I will start tonight.

Yeah, definitely a unique experience. There's no doubt in my mind that stones were coming out of my liver. The olive oil mix isn't that bad, but then again, I learned how to slam down about any liquid in college. I just use water with epsom salt, and it isn't that bad at first, but by the end of the flush I start to dread having more of the bitter aftertaste. I imagine it's better mixed with grapefruit juice.

The stuff I have learned in this heath-form has been the most beneficial for me in this Ron Paul experience. I really feel like the clock has been rolled back 20 years--incredible high energy levels/spirits.

ps: Many thanks again, that book and the general info is great. I am new to all this and thank goodness I was able to apply my skepticism to established medical orthodoxies, or I would probably be dead right now, and certainly not out running in the morning, like now. Also, before I stumbled into this health forum, I was 130 lbs obese, on several types of maintenance prescriptions for high blood pressure, migraines, cholesterol etc.--now I take none, with no migraines and my blood pressure is 110/69, 68pr. I will do a complete lipid profile in a few weeks and will post any changes.

My pleasure. There aren't enough Ron Paul Republicans yet, so we gotta keep the current ones healthy. ;)

Taking control of your own health is truly a life changing and empowering experience.

For me, it started with a fecal impaction. I'd never even been constipated before, and the doctor wanted to do surgery and remove the piece of me that was impacted. I said I'd think about it and left, even though they wanted to do the surgery right then and there and didn't want me to leave. I did some searching on the internet for a couple hours, found curezone.com, found some possible solutions, and sent my wife out to do some shopping. She came back with a mix of herbs to make stool softening tea, and a home enema kit (she was NOT happy standing in the check-out line with that, but God bless her, she did it for me because I was in pain at the time).

About 5 hours later, after letting the herbs do their trick, and spending some much-too-personal time with my new enema kit, it had all passed, no surgery required. It wasn't the most fun thing in the world, but I'm sure it was a lot better than recovering from surgery, and my digestive system was still intact.

It turns out what caused the impaction was some Jello no-bake orange dream cake. My digestive system didn't break it down right, so instead it solidified, as gelatin is want to do. There was literally big chunks of orange Jello in the toilet. Sorry for the bad image, but it is what it is.

I spent a lot more time reading at curezone.com, and figured out what the main problem was. I was having problems with heartburn for years, and would treat it with antacids. I started taking Prilosec a few weeks before the impaction. Well, I found out that when you take antacids or Prilosec to treat heartburn, you don't get enough acid in your stomach to digest food properly. The proper way to treat heartburn is to take more acids. I started taking betaine hcl pills (acid derived from beets) daily, and then some raw apple cider vinegar with every meal. After a couple weeks I no longer had any heartburn at all, I stopped taking the betaine hcl, and I haven't had heartburn since. For anybody that's riding the heartburn/antacid roller coaster, one of the healthiest easiest changes they can make is to treat it with more acid rather than antacid. You just can't be healthy without stomach acid, because you won't get the nutrients the body needs.

From there, I learned about all the different cleanses, and I've been much healthier since. It has become a passion of mine. I truly enjoy taking my health into my own hands, and helping other people do the same.

Remember, you are NOT what you eat; you are what doesn't come out! :D
 
After the Epsom salts start kicking-in the next morning: they rocket out of your tail end. :o

Hahaha Just what I thought. I was talking to my mom about this earlier and we may give it a go together. Thanks for the detailed journal on your success! :D
 
The next best method for cleansing toxins from one's body besides a strict distilled-water fast is a adaptation of a broad all-raw food diet that covers all areas of a human being's nutrition needs: Fruits, Vegetables, Melons, Nuts, & Seeds. It is a courageous start towards a disease-free and optimum-health lifestyle. :)

Is raw fish considered bad because it has toxins? What about raw organic meats? Solves some potential protein dilemmas. There is raw organic milk available in some of the local stores here (I live near Berkeley,CA). The raw milk proponents criticise vegans for not getting ample fats.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYDK6HBHvfs&feature=related
 
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Meh. I don't support this diet at all. At least 2/3 of the weight loss on a program such as this will be lean body mass. Maybe if you were morbidly obese and had no muscle mass to begin with would this be a diet even worth considering. You cannot live on this diet, and it looks like you will invariably end up with "skinny-fat" syndrome frequently found in yo-yo dieting.

As someone else also said, a raw food diet is much, much better. Get rid of anything processed, anything with nitrates. You really don't need organics. The real evil villians in human health are insulin and cortisol, hence I don't like high carb diets much either. I'd much rather recommend an iso-caloric diet, where you get about equal amounts of fats/carbs/protein, the fats coming from good sources(lean meats especially fish, olive/canola oil, and nuts) and the protein coming from whatever the hell you want and the carbs largely from vegetables and other low glycemic sources. And grains = processed food as far as I'm concerned. Switch your salt shaker from sodium to potassium if you are a salt lover like me.
 
I didn't read the whole thread, but just wanted to mention that I've known three people who were significantly overweight who went on extreme diets--all three ended up needing to have their gall bladder removed within a year of starting the extreme diet. I believe two of them went on a raw food diet and the other went on a no fat diet. Of course, this is only three people, but there seems to be a connection.

Apparently gall bladder attacks are about as painful as kidney stones. So be careful.
 
Meh. I don't support this diet at all. At least 2/3 of the weight loss on a program such as this will be lean body mass. Maybe if you were morbidly obese and had no muscle mass to begin with would this be a diet even worth considering. You cannot live on this diet, and it looks like you will invariably end up with "skinny-fat" syndrome frequently found in yo-yo dieting.

As someone else also said, a raw food diet is much, much better. Get rid of anything processed, anything with nitrates. You really don't need organics. The real evil villians in human health are insulin and cortisol, hence I don't like high carb diets much either. I'd much rather recommend an iso-caloric diet, where you get about equal amounts of fats/carbs/protein, the fats coming from good sources(lean meats especially fish, olive/canola oil, and nuts) and the protein coming from whatever the hell you want and the carbs largely from vegetables and other low glycemic sources. And grains = processed food as far as I'm concerned. Switch your salt shaker from sodium to potassium if you are a salt lover like me.

You're right, the Master Cleanse isn't a good diet. But it isn't supposed to be. It's a cleanse to remove toxins from the body. Most people who go on the Master Cleanse will have read the book, and know that they'll lose some muscle mass and be a little fatigued while on it (along with a lot of fat loss). Most people report that they gain weight back after the cleanse, but they gain a lot less fat than they lost (if they were overweight to begin with). Also, people are able to gain muscle a lot faster, just because without all the toxins interfering the body just works a lot more efficiently.

Really, no temporary diets are good for you. Every one of them will result in a yo-yo effect. What people really need is a permanent change in diet.
 
I didn't read the whole thread, but just wanted to mention that I've known three people who were significantly overweight who went on extreme diets--all three ended up needing to have their gall bladder removed within a year of starting the extreme diet. I believe two of them went on a raw food diet and the other went on a no fat diet. Of course, this is only three people, but there seems to be a connection.

Apparently gall bladder attacks are about as painful as kidney stones. So be careful.

That's common when people go on a no/low fat diet for a while, then suddenly stop and have a big greasy meal. When you don't ingest any fat, the body never releases any bile, so it builds up a little pressure. When you have a big fatty meal, the pressure of the bile releasing pushes out some stones, and they get stuck in the bile duct and it hurts like hell.

I've never had a kidney stone attack to compare to, but I've had a gallbladder attack... not fun. Some people have said that a gallbladder attack is more painful than childbirth, but I guess I'll never know.

The best way to treat a gallbladder attack is to drink a solution of 1 tablespoon epsom salt and 1 cup water. Wait about half an hour and if the pain hasn't gotten any better, drink another solution (but not more than 2). If the pain comes back in a few hours you can do it again. The epsom salt contains magnesium, which relaxes muscles, including the bile duct, and it makes the bile duct nice and stretchy so that the stones can pass through it easily. The epsom salt also acts as a laxative, so it flushes everything out pretty quickly.

Using the epsom salt, you may have to suffer through a day of occasional sharp pain, but it's a lot better than going the rest of your life without your gallbladder. If you do gallbladder/liver flushing (posted earlier in this thread) you get gallstones out without the pain, so you don't have to worry about gallbladder attacks.
 
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Meh. I don't support this diet at all. At least 2/3 of the weight loss on a program such as this will be lean body mass. Maybe if you were morbidly obese and had no muscle mass to begin with would this be a diet even worth considering. You cannot live on this diet, and it looks like you will invariably end up with "skinny-fat" syndrome frequently found in yo-yo dieting.

As someone else also said, a raw food diet is much, much better. Get rid of anything processed, anything with nitrates. You really don't need organics. The real evil villians in human health are insulin and cortisol, hence I don't like high carb diets much either. I'd much rather recommend an iso-caloric diet, where you get about equal amounts of fats/carbs/protein, the fats coming from good sources(lean meats especially fish, olive/canola oil, and nuts) and the protein coming from whatever the hell you want and the carbs largely from vegetables and other low glycemic sources. And grains = processed food as far as I'm concerned. Switch your salt shaker from sodium to potassium if you are a salt lover like me.


You're right, the Master Cleanse isn't a good diet. But it isn't supposed to be. It's a cleanse to remove toxins from the body. Most people who go on the Master Cleanse will have read the book, and know that they'll lose some muscle mass and be a little fatigued while on it (along with a lot of fat loss). Most people report that they gain weight back after the cleanse, but they gain a lot less fat than they lost (if they were overweight to begin with). Also, people are able to gain muscle a lot faster, just because without all the toxins interfering the body just works a lot more efficiently.

Really, no temporary diets are good for you. Every one of them will result in a yo-yo effect. What people really need is a permanent change in diet.

Here is the Master Cleanser Book in pdf to download: http://www.scribd.com/doc/5406361/Stanley-Burroughs-The-Master-Cleanser-Detox-Great-Ocr
 
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Meh. I don't support this diet at all. At least 2/3 of the weight loss on a program such as this will be lean body mass. Maybe if you were morbidly obese and had no muscle mass to begin with would this be a diet even worth considering. You cannot live on this diet, and it looks like you will invariably end up with "skinny-fat" syndrome frequently found in yo-yo dieting.

As someone else also said, a raw food diet is much, much better. Get rid of anything processed, anything with nitrates. You really don't need organics. The real evil villians in human health are insulin and cortisol, hence I don't like high carb diets much either. I'd much rather recommend an iso-caloric diet, where you get about equal amounts of fats/carbs/protein, the fats coming from good sources(lean meats especially fish, olive/canola oil, and nuts) and the protein coming from whatever the hell you want and the carbs largely from vegetables and other low glycemic sources. And grains = processed food as far as I'm concerned. Switch your salt shaker from sodium to potassium if you are a salt lover like me.

Wow, this is a completely ignorant statement.

First of all, you CAN live on this diet. Grade B and C maple syrup contain all the nutrients one needs to live. The diet typically only lasts 10 days, but you could easily go a lot longer like the OP.

Second of all, most of the weight you lose is not fat, but the shit that has built up in your intestines over your life time. Cleaning out all of this material not only fires up your metabolism so that you can burn real weight with ease once you go off the diet, but it also releases a lot of the toxins, parasites and bad bacteria that have been rotting in your intestines. This gives you significantly more energy, like you're a kid again. This diet is the fountain of youth, and your dumbass says you can't live on it?!! It's 10 days!! You could fast for 10 days safely, I'll bet, with just some water!!

I've read your posts from some other threads, I really suggest you think through your posts logically before posting, because they are mostly completely illogical.
 
After the Epsom salts start kicking-in the next morning: they rocket out of your tail end. :o


What if I did fruit juice and water only without the other items (cayenne, maple syrup, epsom salts, lemon juice, etc.)?
 
What if I did fruit juice and water only without the other items (cayenne, maple syrup, epsom salts, lemon juice, etc.)?

It won't have the effect of cleansing your intestines. That is what the cayenne and lemon juice are for. The maple syrup (organic grade B or C) gives you nutrition to sustain yourself. I didn't do the salt flushes, but I did take other things like pills that clear the mucus from your system, anti parasite pills, etc. The salt flushes sound like they really clean everything out. This diet is like drinking a bunch of drano and literally cleaning your pipes. You don't eat anything, but you poop out all the stuff in your intestines for 10 days. Then you can do a colon cleanse. Think of it as brushing your top teeth first, then bottom teeth, or rinsing the soap off the top of your car, then going down.

Read my above post to Zuras, this diet isn't about losing fat in the short term, this diet is about cleansing your system so that your body is in a more healthy youthful state, lower metabolism, etc. The reason people, as they begin to get older, start gaining weight and have a hard time shedding it is because their digestive tract is full of crap, their metabolism is shot to shit, and all the toxins and chemical crap has built up and makes you crave fast food and more chemical laden food. After doing the lemonade diet, you won't crave these types of food. You will crave real food with real nutrition. You are training your body to recognize real nutrition, because chemicals have tricked it throughout the years.
 
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It won't have the effect of cleansing your intestines. That is what the cayenne and lemon juice are for. The maple syrup (organic grade B or C) gives you nutrition to sustain yourself. I didn't do the salt flushes, but I did take other things like pills that clear the mucus from your system, anti parasite pills, etc. The salt flushes sound like they really clean everything out. This diet is like drinking a bunch of drano and literally cleaning your pipes. You don't eat anything, but you poop out all the stuff in your intestines for 10 days. Then you can do a colon cleanse. Think of it as brushing your top teeth first, then bottom teeth, or rinsing the soap off the top of your car, then going down.

Read my above post to Zuras, this diet isn't about losing fat in the short term, this diet is about cleansing your system so that your body is in a more healthy youthful state, lower metabolism, etc. The reason people, as they begin to get older, start gaining weight and have a hard time shedding it is because their digestive tract is full of crap, their metabolism is shot to shit, and all the toxins and chemical crap has built up and makes you crave fast food and more chemical laden food. After doing the lemonade diet, you won't crave these types of food. You will crave real food with real nutrition. You are training your body to recognize real nutrition, because chemicals have tricked it throughout the years.

Thanks for the reply. I see alot of stuff on the internet promoting the cleansing of the body with "juice fasting," however. What do yo think?

http://www.vegsource.com/talk/raw/messages/20067.html

http://www.naturalhealthtechniques.com/CoachingCorner/JuiceFastMusings.htm

etc., etc...
 
Wow, this is a completely ignorant statement.

First of all, you CAN live on this diet. Grade B and C maple syrup contain all the nutrients one needs to live. The diet typically only lasts 10 days, but you could easily go a lot longer like the OP.

No, you can't live on this diet. You can exist for a short while. Nonetheless, no protein for 10 days is still a bad, unhealthy idea. There are plenty of other "cleanse" programs out there to waste your time and money on without such a draconian-- and frankly completely stupid-- dietary intake. Like the aforementioned raw foo diets. And as a bonus, you will hopefully learn healthier eat habbits so you wont ever have the need for a "cleanse", which the fast majority of resolably healthy people have no need of anyway.

Second of all, most of the weight you lose is not fat, but the shit that has built up in your intestines over your life time. Cleaning out all of this material not only fires up your metabolism so that you can burn real weight with ease once you go off the diet, but it also releases a lot of the toxins, parasites and bad bacteria that have been rotting in your intestines. This gives you significantly more energy, like you're a kid again. This diet is the fountain of youth, and your dumbass says you can't live on it?!! It's 10 days!! You could fast for 10 days safely, I'll bet, with just some water!!

I know most of the weight isn't fat. It's mostly water weight and lean body mass. Your body NEEDS protein. If you do not get it, the body will start to canabalize the other muscles in your body, including vital organs. Your body is perfectly adept at taking care of all those mostly bogus things you listed, but your body doesn't do too hot afterwards when at some point you have to start eating real food. I can bet anyone who is on this diet for more than 2 weeks will have severe "issues" after going off it, since they will have killed most good gut flora off. Frankly, I don't care what you do, but I do care if you are preaching it to others who may be foolish enough to believe everything they read.

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I've read your posts from some other threads, I really suggest you think through your posts logically before posting, because they are mostly completely illogical.
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You might read plenty but understand little.
 
...I know most of the weight isn't fat. It's mostly water weight and lean body mass. Your body NEEDS protein. If you do not get it, the body will start to canabalize the other muscles in your body, including vital organs. Your body is perfectly adept at taking care of all those mostly bogus things you listed, but your body doesn't do too hot afterwards when at some point you have to start eating real food. I can bet anyone who is on this diet for more than 2 weeks will have severe "issues" after going off it, since they will have killed most good gut flora off. Frankly, I don't care what you do, but I do care if you are preaching it to others who may be foolish enough to believe everything they read...

My initial fast was for 45 days. The fasting rational is that your body intelligently scavenges damage tissues first for protein, while utilizing the idle digestive tract for rest/repairs--I think this is what I experienced with scar tissues. Every place where I had orthopedic surgeries (and I had many) I experienced localized pain during this fast. After the fast, I have regained amazing range of motion/flexibility; after two and half decades, I am out running again--pretty good for a man who was told he would never walk again unaided (I had a malfunction on a jump and had many surgeries/relearned how to walk again). The fasting part is easy; it is all systematic; the real work begins after the fast as you rebuild. Lot of good stuff in this thread, mostly copied from a mod named Pepe from the curezone.com

I broke this fast over a period of several weeks with initially probiotics, fresh squeezed orange juice augmented with maple syrup--transitioned quickly to a complete raw food diet, which I have maintained. Took two days to be back to regular movements. This is certainly not for everybody, but I experience some amazing results with chronic aliments--feels like it rolled back my biological clock 20 years.
 
My initial fast was for 45 days. The fasting rational is that your body intelligently scavenges damage tissues first for protein, while utilizing the idle digestive tract for rest/repairs--I think this is what I experienced with scar tissues. Every place where I had orthopedic surgeries (and I had many) I experienced localized pain during this fast. After the fast, I have regained amazing range of motion/flexibility; after two and half decades, I am out running again--pretty good for a man who was told he would never walk again unaided (I had a malfunction on a jump and had many surgeries/relearned how to walk again). The fasting part is easy; it is all systematic; the real work begins after the fast as you rebuild. Lot of good stuff in this thread, mostly copied from a mod named Pepe from the curezone.com

I broke this fast over a period of several weeks with initially probiotics, fresh squeezed orange juice augmented with maple syrup--transitioned quickly to a complete raw food diet, which I have maintained. Took two days to be back to regular movements. This is certainly not for everybody, but I experience some amazing results with chronic aliments--feels like it rolled back my biological clock 20 years.

Is the raw food diet you transitioned into a vegan raw food diet, or are you including raw animal products? i.e. sashimi, raw milk, steak tartare, raw eggs, etc.?
 
Is the raw food diet you transitioned into a vegan raw food diet, or are you including raw animal products? i.e. sashimi, raw milk, steak tartare, raw eggs, etc.?

I include raw animal products: raw eggs, cheese, sea cucumbers, sashimi etc... would drink raw milk if I could find it.
 
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