Massie: This Summer Trump’s ‘Indictments Are Going to Ripen into Convictions’

[acptulsa]

Seems all of the people that Trump endorsed was even responsible for passing that pathetic bill.

But Trump's endorsement couldn't possibly have made any of those primary races go the other way. Just because Trump can do anything doesn't mean he should try now and then.

 

[PAF]

Less than Massie?

The only thing preventing him from trashing Massie is the fact that everybody here would kick him off the board if he did. No doubt [MENTION=65299]Swordsmyth[/MENTION] is looking in every cupboard and every crack in the board, trying to come up with something tangible - to no avail.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Trump has not uttered a single word about the money being given to NGOs even though some of us in the know know all about it. Instead, he wants to do what he does best - spend more, more, more money without addressing the underlying problem. Seems all of the people that Trump endorsed was even responsible for passing that pathetic bill.

I'll never know why you think blatant lies work.


Trump claimed, without any supporting evidence, that Democrats were behind the caravan, and raised conspiracy theories that the Central Americans had been paid to come to the United States for political reasons.
“Now we’re starting to find out – and I won’t say it 100%, I’ll put a little tiny question mark at the end. But we’re probably not going to need it, but we have the fake news back there,” he told the crowd, adding a familiar jab at news reporters covering his campaign appearances.
“A lot of money’s been passing through people to come up and try to get to the border by election day, because they think that’s a negative for us. Number one, they’re being stopped. And number two, regardless, that’s our issue.”
Trump appeared to be referring to a video posted by the Florida representative Matt Gaetz, which he claimed showed women and children being given cash to “storm the US border @ election time”. He suggested without evidence that the source could be “Soros? US-backed NGOs?” referring to George Soros, an American billionaire who is the frequent subject of rightwing conspiracy theories.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...avan-mexico-border-democrat-blame-no-evidence


Former President Donald Trump has said that during his presidency, he cut federal funding to three Central American countries in order to "punish" them. He said he wanted to punish them immigrants kept coming from their countries to seek entry into the United States.


During a Thursday night interview with Fox News host Laura Ingraham, Ingraham played a clip of Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. In the clip, Pelosi said that Trump had withdrawn funding from Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador—three countries that make up a region called the Northern Triangle—in order to punish them.
Ingraham asked, "Mr. President, did you withdraw money from Central America to punish them?"
"Absolutely. That's right," Trump replied.
"We were paying them $500 million a year," Trump told Ingraham. "Nobody knew what they were doing with the money, and they were sending criminals to our country."


"They abused us in so many different ways," Trump continued. He then accused the countries' leaders of refusing to accept murderers and members of the violent MS13 gang that had been caught at the southern U.S. border by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Protection.
"They wouldn't take them. I stopped paying the $500 million that we were wasting when giving it to them," Trump continued.


At the end of March 2019, the Trump Administration announced that it was cutting nearly $450 million in direct funding to the countries because of their failure to stop emigration.
The Northern Triangle is the primary source of migrants to the United States. The immigrants largely flee their region to escape high murder rates, gang violence, low employment as well as a lack of access to food, necessities and social services. Recent droughts and hurricanes have worsened conditions in the region.
The direct funding cut off by Trump had sought to stem migration from the region by helping the countries politically and economically stabilize in an effort to reduce migration caused by violence and corruption.


The program paid millions to dozens of local and international nongovernmental organizations (NGOs). These organizations conducted development and humanitarian programs on the U.S. government's behalf.
However, because the countries had failed to reduce migration, Trump cut off the funds as a punishment. When the funding ended, many NGOs had to scale back their programs or end them prematurely, closing offices and laying off staff, according to NPR.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-tru...erica-over-immigration-they-abused-us-1578913

 

[Swordsmyth]

Less than Massie?

Massie is one member of Congress, Congress is a collective entity and Massie doesn't always vote with the majority.
But he does when they need him to let the Debt Ceiling increase out of committee.

 

[acptulsa]

When the funding ended, many NGOs had to scale back their programs or end them prematurely, closing offices and laying off staff, according to NPR.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-tru...erica-over-immigration-they-abused-us-1578913

Or rather, they would have had to cut back if Trump hadn't signed off on budgets that funded the NGOs directly.

It never ceases to amaze me how you can use the very sources when they're convenient to your narrative that you sneer at and dismiss as fake news otherwise.

 

[acptulsa]

But he does when they need him to let the Debt Ceiling increase out of committee.

Oh, look. Another random allegation without a source.

And which of these committees or subcommittees are you alleging could have held a change to the debt ceiling up?

https://massie.house.gov/legislation/committees-and-caucuses.htm

 

[Swordsmyth]

Or rather, they would have had to cut back if Trump hadn't signed off on budgets that funded the NGOs directly.

It never ceases to amaze me how you can use the very sources when they're convenient to your narrative that you sneer at and dismiss as fake news otherwise.

Budgets were passed by Congress with veto proof margins.
And yet he did decrease their funding as best he could and they did have to cut back.

When the enemy is forced to make admissions against their interests it's actually a pretty good source.
When I cite friendly media you claim that's not credible, so I used your side's media.

 

[Invisible Man]

Bunk.
Trump bears the least responsibility.

Trump bears the most responsibility of anyone in the world. Bar none.

And the invasion costs an insane amount, not just in the money Biden is spending to facilitate it, but in the direct costs of the welfare and other ways the invaders take our money, and then there are the massive crime costs.

Then how come that cost isn't reflected in a significant increase in the money supply?

 

[acptulsa]

...so I used your side's media.

You seesaw between one set of baldfaced liars and another, then claim that one of those sets of liars must be my liars.

You've never seen me say one kind thing about Newsweek, and there's plenty of evidence of what I think about the current state of NPR for anyone who cares to open their blind eyes and look.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Oh, look. Another random allegation without a source.

And which of these committees or subcommittees are you alleging could have held a change to the debt ceiling up?

https://massie.house.gov/legislation/committees-and-caucuses.htm

Massie’s ‘yes’ vote key to passing of debt limit bill

https://linknky.com/politics/2023/06...bt-limit-bill/

Massie’s vote just days earlier in the House Rules Committee, however, proved crucial to the Fiscal Responsibility Act moving to a House floor vote, where it passed Wednesday night. It then passed the Senate on Thursday.
The 99-page bill suspends the $31.4 Trillion debt limit until January 2025. It cuts federal spending by $1.5 trillion over the next decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office, which includes $11 billion returned from COVID-19 pandemic funding.
The Rules Committee voted 7-6 on a rule that governed debate over the debt bill, which ensured the bill reached the House and would pass the lower chamber — Massie’s ‘yes’ vote gave the rule a narrow margin that allowed the bill to pass by the June 5 deadline to avoid default.

 

[acptulsa]

Massie’s ‘yes’ vote key to passing of debt limit bill

https://linknky.com/politics/2023/06...bt-limit-bill/

Massie’s vote just days earlier in the House Rules Committee, however, proved crucial to the Fiscal Responsibility Act moving to a House floor vote, where it passed Wednesday night. It then passed the Senate on Thursday.
The 99-page bill suspends the $31.4 Trillion debt limit until January 2025. It cuts federal spending by $1.5 trillion over the next decade, according to the Congressional Budget Office, which includes $11 billion returned from COVID-19 pandemic funding.
The Rules Committee voted 7-6 on a rule that governed debate over the debt bill, which ensured the bill reached the House and would pass the lower chamber — Massie’s ‘yes’ vote gave the rule a narrow margin that allowed the bill to pass by the June 5 deadline to avoid default.

The Lewis County Republican has been called “Mr. No” but voted in favor of the rule only after he highlighted a provision to the bill that cuts discretionary spending by one percent unless Congress passes the mandatory 12 spending bills by the end of the calendar year.

The 1% cut would apply to all spending, including military and veteran programs — Medicare and Social Security would be exempt.

“There is one way this bill got better, and it is this one percent cut,” Massie said during the Rules Committee meeting, noting that Democrats and Republicans agreed to the cuts if they can’t pass the required appropriation bills.

Often, Congress jams all 12 bills into an “omnibus” spending bill that must pass by the end of the year to avoid a government shutdown. Massie said in the Rules Committee meeting that he expects the House to get to the required spending bills.

We've been trying to put a stop to omnibuses and get the things they contain debated separately for years. Omnibuses are what turns Congress into a rubber stamp. Installing rules that make House leadership pay a price for doing it is a good thing. A very good thing.

 

[CaptUSA]

Budgets were passed by Congress with veto proof margins.

That is such a lame excuse. Pathetic, really. There is no such thing as "veto-proof". Presidents can veto anything they don't like. It doesn't matter what the margin was on the initial vote, the president can still veto it. Sure, there could be a subsequent vote to over-ride the veto, but that's a whole other matter. A REAL President would veto and test if the margins really held up. Force them to over-ride his veto!

But no, we get pathetic little cry babies pretending they did the best they could.

 

[acptulsa]

That is such a lame excuse. Pathetic, really. There is no such thing as "veto-proof". Presidents can veto anything they don't like. It doesn't matter what the margin was on the initial vote, the president can still veto it. Sure, there could be a subsequent vote to over-ride the veto, but that's a whole other matter. A REAL President would veto and test if the margins really held up. Force them to over-ride his veto!

It is pathetic.

Make your enemies earn a victory. Make them work for it. How idiotic is any other kind of warfare?

At the very least, throw in a real battle once in a while, to see if their pants are down...

 

[Swordsmyth]

We've been trying to put a stop to omnibuses and get the things they contain debated separately for years. Omnibuses are what turns Congress into a rubber stamp. Installing rules that make House leadership pay a price for doing it is a good thing. A very good thing.

Raising the debt ceiling is a very bad thing, very very bad.
If you stop the debt the omnibus spending stops dead.

Congress can and will stuff everything they want into smaller spending bills and ram them through, unless you stop the debt.

 

[acptulsa]

If you stop the debt the omnibus spending stops dead.

Congress can and will stuff everything they want into smaller spending bills and ram them through, unless you stop the debt.

...something something the perfect is the enemy of the good something...

 

[Swordsmyth]

That is such a lame excuse. Pathetic, really. There is no such thing as "veto-proof". Presidents can veto anything they don't like. It doesn't matter what the margin was on the initial vote, the president can still veto it. Sure, there could be a subsequent vote to over-ride the veto, but that's a whole other matter. A REAL President would veto and test if the margins really held up. Force them to over-ride his veto!

But no, we get pathetic little cry babies pretending they did the best they could.

Pretending that they might not use their super majorities to override, or that the media wouldn't crucify him with the aid of every RINO, or that he wouldn't create an even greater resentment and determination to not cooperate and try to do things like impeach and remove is just naive.

There was 0 benefit to issuing vetoes that would 100% be overridden.

 

[acptulsa]

Pretending that they might not use their super majorities to override, or that the media wouldn't crucify him with the aid of every RINO, or that he wouldn't create an even greater resentment and determination to not cooperate and try to do things like impeach and remove is just naive.

There was 0 benefit to issuing vetoes that would 100% be overridden.

...something something giving up before you even try is good for something something...

 

[Swordsmyth]

...something something the perfect is the enemy of the good something...

LOL
Massie actually votes for increasing the debt and gets a bag of air in return and you act like he did a good thing.
But Trump is 100% responsible for veto proof spending bills?

 

[acptulsa]

Interesting what you consider to be a bag of air.

The bills would cut funding from several federal agencies, including a $977 million reduction to the Environmental Protection Agency; a $654 million cut for the Federal Bureau of Investigation; a $150 million reduction to the National Park Service; and a $122 million cut to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

https://missouriindependent.com/202...sed-to-pass-a-huge-chunk-of-federal-spending/

 

[Swordsmyth]

Interesting what you consider to be a bag of air.



https://missouriindependent.com/202...sed-to-pass-a-huge-chunk-of-federal-spending/

Is the debt still going up?
Is total spending still going up?
Are these actual cuts and not "less money than we planned to increase by"?


The article also lists lots of spending increases.

He got a bag of air.