Mary the Queen of Heaven

No it wasn't.. It was political church,, getting rid of some enemies. And creating a centrally controlled organization.
A world church. Though I think the beginnings of that were well before,, but, that is where it was codified.
All Churches and churches are political. Jesus is the King of all as well as head of the Church. God Establishing his presence on Earth through His son made the politics unavoidable. Yeshua's trial and crucifixion were HIGHLY political. The Jewish political and banking classes faced a great threat, philosophical and religious, in Jesus. The jews expected the Messiah to be a new David to rule and lead them-not someone who would die such a horrible death.

And just for a point of fact,, There are seven churches. There are seven Angels that are over the Seven Churches.

The One World Church is an error as old as,, and exactly like Nimrod.. The rule of men.

And there is one church ,, but it is made from all believers of all time,, All Seven Churches.

There is one Church. It is one, holy, catholic("universal", not post-schism Roman), and apostolic. The reason there are a variety of "types" of Orthodox parishes (Russian, Greek, etc) are for a number of reasons practical and historical. I don't have time to list them all ATM.

Though all believers are part of the Body Of Christ, the heterodox are not part of Christ's Church established by Him through the apostles.
 
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By the way friend, I was hoping you might answer these questions first:

And is the Holy Spirit God of God? Do you affirm the Holy Trinity? Are the Father, Son and Holy Spirit equal in honor, worship and glory?
 
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Did you know that bishops have no authority over any other bishops? Forget about the Roman Catholic errors you grew up with. There is no Supreme Leader of the Church apart from Christ. The Church is a centrally controlled organization only in that it's head is Christ and is controlled by the Holy Spirit, and not any man.

The Patriarch of Antioch for example has never had authority over the people of Jerusalem or what the Patriarch of Jerusalem did there or taught. Neither did the Patriarch of Rome have any authority over the people of Alexandria or Constantinople or any other see or their Bishops. So your ideas of centrally controlled organization is way off. What kept them central was the common faith and the common Eucharist.

And the fact that members of the Church entered into political like is not a surprise, it is the natural circumstance when the persecutions were lifted and people began to come out of hiding and were able to freely express their faith.

The Church is a dynamic organization which contends in this world and lives in the world, even as they pray for the next one. Of course people who were faithful entered into politics. Why? For the same reasons they do today! Some out of service for others or to make the nation a better place. Others for purely selfish and evil reasons, who have scandalized the Church because of their sins. No one is claiming the Church no sins have not been done by those is the Church. After all, it is a Church of sinners, so that is to be expected. There have been times of peace and prosperity when good and virtuous Christian men have been political leaders, and there have been horrible times of injustice and evil from other men who have called themselves Christians. Do not judge the good of the Church by the bad sins of the members of the Church, even though the bad is much more memorable on account of the hypocrisy.

[quote}A world church. Though I think the beginnings of that were well before,, but, that is where it was codified.

it is the error of Nimrod all over again.

That there is one Church, as there is one Jesus Christ, is biblical and apostolic teachings. This one Church, having spread around the world is indeed a world Church. This is not the error of Nimrod, this is the glory of God.



Can you please provide patristic support for this interpretation? I am not familiar with it. Can you point to where it is said that the Orthodox Church is an error like Nimrod's?[/QUOTE]
An excellent post^^ :)
 
Yes,,
though "the trinity" is not mentioned in scripture,, the concept is.

Knowing that the Holy Spirit is God just as the Father is God and the Son is God, of one essense, will, and power, when the day of Pentecost arrived and the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles and the Virgin who was present, was God abiding in them?
 
"Therefore write the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which will take place after these things. "As for the mystery of the seven stars which you saw in My right hand, and the seven golden lampstands: the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.
Scripture says Seven. And each has an Angel over it.
 
Knowing that the Holy Spirit is God just as the Father is God and the Son is God, of one essense, will, and power, when the day of Pentecost arrived and the Holy Spirit descended upon the Apostles and the Virgin who was present, was God abiding in them?

Yes . but this is not at all strange.

God breathed the breath of life into man.

Angels has procreated with Daughters of Man

Demons poses men. These are all known.

Yes, scripture teaches that the Spirit of God resides within us who believe.
 
I believe that the Holy Spirit enters into those who believe. That we are the vessels.

Not some lifeless work of our hands.






God Said Don't do it.

And again I ask you to check yourself,, because the teaching of man says do,, what God has said is DO NOT.

Very simple. No interpretations necessary.

Amen!
 
Yes . but this is not at all strange.

Not strange at all my friend. My point is that the chasm has been crossed and Christ is the bridge. Creation now has a real and living relationship with the divine. For this reason St. Peter's handkerchief healed the sick and raised the dead. It was the Holy Spirit working in the world performing these wonders, not the mere cloth and fabric. And even before Christ was born, the Holy Spirit was active in the world. For we read about the bones of Elisha having raised the dead. It was not the mere dried bones but the Holy Spirit of God acting through it which raised the dead. The same for Moses' staff. The list goes on and on.

And that is why Aaron's staff was venerated and placed in the Ark. That is why Manna was placed there as well and the Two Tablets of stone which God wrote His Commandments. For these are not just mere wood and stone, these have been conduits and vessels of the Holy Spirit of God, worthy to be placed in the very Holy of Holies and before the presence of God.

If these things happened before the Light of the World came and before the Holy Spirit descended down en masse into the world, how much more so is it true now!! How many more wonders can be possible now that Pentecost has arrived! And indeed, countless are the miracles which have occurred within the life of the Church whether through inanimate or animate objects. Countless are the demonstrations of God in the Holy Spirit working within the world! The lives of the saints are inexhaustive. The writings of the Fathers and the history of the Church are resplendent. And what has always been understood, what has always been proclaimed is that it is not the object or vessel in itself which is what is holy, but the Holy Spirit working in it or through it which is so and makes it holy. These objects are venerated, such as were the contents of the Ark, but it is God alone Who is worshiped. Thus Joshua could bow down before the Ark of the Covenant and be worshiping God in truth even as His very presence was contained in it. Likewise we venerate the icon because of who it is representing, but it is not the wood or the paint that is worshiped, but God and the Holy Spirit working within it.

God breathed the breath of life into man.

Angels has procreated with Daughters of Man

Demons poses men. These are all known.

Yes, scripture teaches that the Spirit of God resides within us who believe.

What good news! Indeed, THE good news! For God loved us so much that He has come down to save us since we could not do it ourselves having fallen under the rule of death and the power of satan. God came so that we too might have Him in us, so that we might be restored into the original blessedness for which we were created! We become by grace what Christ is by nature, that is a divine-human person, and sons and daughters of the Most High God in the image and likeness of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Conformed into His image, partaking of His divine nature, having the very Spirit of God within us, we too can rise in glory and ascend like Christ, from glory to glory as the Apostle proclaims as adopted co-heirs of the Kingdom of Heaven. This is the good news! God has not forgotten us! Our Father has not abandoned us! And by His love He has saved us and leads us to eternal life!

This has been made possible because God the Holy Spirit has come down, fulfilling the prophecy of Joel:


“ And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
And also on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.

This is the post Pentecostal life of the Church, whereby the world has experienced the coming down of God and where the members of the Church have become God-bearing vessels of the uncontainable God Himself. It is the reversal of Babel, for this reason we see the Apostles speaking and all the hearers of every language understanding it in their native tongues. It is the culmination of all the work of Christ in His ministry in offering us a new life reborn in the Spirit.

The saints have 'put on Christ' (Romans 13:14) and been empowered and transformed into the 'fullness and stature of Christ' (Ephesians 4:13) because the Holy Spirit is present within them. Whereby the Ark was once the meeting place for God and a sanctuary whereby He would dwell amongst men, in time this became fulfilled by the Holy Theotokos who is the living Ark of the Covenant, the New Covenant. For this New Covenant is based on the flesh of her own flesh, the Lord Jesus Christ, and through her obedience and willful offering has brought our humanity even greater glory by the power of God. For she became the meeting place whereby God would dwell in the world, having carried God within her for 9 months. She became the living Tabernacle, containing within her flesh the very infinite Creator of all. She became the Holy of Holies, enhousing within her womb the Most Holy and Almighty God. She became the Mother of God because God had chosen her to be so, for none had ever lived more perfect as her until the birth of her own Son and God.

But alas, this is not the only glory of God, but points to a deeper and more wondrous revelation. For Christ, taking upon Himself created substance through His incarnation and allowing the Holy Spirit to come down and fill all things, all people can share in this divine glory. His cosmic work on the Cross has made all of creation potential partakers of the divine nature. Thus God has made holy not only an Ark, or the Virgin, but all those who have been graced by the Holy Spirit of God.
 
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Your mistranslation and misinterpretation of this verse is part of the reason why you are incorrect and in fact only strengthens my case. You must have missed the post earlier in this thread which explained this.

First of all, the correct translation from the Greek is 'Even more so, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!'

This does not diminish his mother, this simply demonstrates that even more blessed then a womb or breasts is those people who hear the word of God and keep it. The Virgin Mary, whose whole life is in complete and total obedience to God (so much so that she was worthy in time to be a vessel for Him and give birth to Him), is not only amongst those blessed, but more reason to understand why she is most blessed. For having given not only a womb and milk and love, she gave humble obedience.

You're barking up the wrong tree, because I never argued that Mary was not blessed, in fact I made a point to state that she indeed was, at the end of post #189.

And I never said that she was diminished in that verse. I said that it was as if Jesus knew this issue of people focusing on Mary would be a problem, by taking that opportunity to teach the woman who said that (and by doing so, everyone) what was more important.

The person in the crowd was wrong because she said 'blessed is the womb' as if it was the womb that willed anything. And she was wrong that she said 'blessed is the breasts', as if dumb organs of fat, skin, and milk producing tissues is what obeyed Him. Had she said 'Blessed is your mother', He would have said, 'Blessed is not only her who has done my will and the will of the Father in Heaven, but all who listen to me and obey me!'

It sounds to me like you're trying to rationalize things with this verse. The woman used the words womb and breasts, but her adoration was not for fleshly organs, but for MARY. That is why Jesus replied the way He did.

If what you are saying is true, then He could have replied with, "No, it's not her organs that are blessed, but SHE is blessed."

But that's not what He said. He specifically made a point to lead her back to God in His reply, by stating that it is more blessed to hear the word of God and obey it.


It is funny that you bring this verse, because the entire chapter only more clearly demonstrates how much love and honor Christ has for His mother.

On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Now both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding. And when they ran out of wine, the mother of Jesus said to Him, “They have no wine.”

Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me? My hour has not yet come.

His mother said to the servants, “Whatever He says to you, do it.”​

And what did the Christ next do? He fulfilled the wish for His mother even though His hour had not yet come. Why, because the same God Who said 'Honor your father and mother' is the same God Who obeyed her out of love.

So you see, the verses you keep picking, when seen through the entire Bible, the entire witness and traditions and lens of the Church, gives the correct interpretation.

Once again, you're arguing something I never stated. Of course Jesus demonstrated love and honor to His mother. Jesus is sinless and wouldn't go against His own word... Of course it is right to honor our parents.

I posted that verse because I think it has a sort of second meaning, it's not merely about the wedding in Cana, but a reminder for ALL people who might take their focus off of God, to - as Mary put it - "Whatever He says to you, do it."

Because you say it is wrong does not make it so. The Church and the countless saints and martyrs would disagree with you and your innovative interpretation. This is not to be impolite, this is to be direct since you like direct and to the point. Your problem is not with me or my interpretation, your problem is with 2000 years of saints.


Which one are you talking about? I mentioned 3 or 4 things. If you can back those doctrines up biblically - not based only on one verse, and certainly not based only on the words of fallible men just because they were associated with a church... then please do so.

Where does the bible say that Mary is the new ark of the covenant? And where does the bible say that Mary is the Queen of Heaven? The only references to "Queen of Heaven" that I have seen in the bible are spoken about in a negative sense, in Jeremiah. And where does the bible say that we should pray to Mary?

I don't mean to put you on the spot... but you're the one who keeps insisting these things, and then telling others we are wrong.

It has to be based FIRST on the scriptures.... not on what some 7th century priests or church officials said. I'm interested in what the scriptures say, and if you could please post specific verses with the chapter and verse number, that would be helpful.
 
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It has to be based FIRST on the scriptures.... not on what some 7th century priests or church officials said. I'm interested in what the scriptures say, and if you could please post specific verses with the chapter and verse number, that would be helpful.
Why is that? The first gospel was not even written until ~64-70 AD! The Gospel was preserved by the Church in spoken and iconographic form until that time. There literally is no higher authority on the Gospels than the Church.
 
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It sounds to me like you're trying to rationalize things with this verse. The woman used the words womb and breasts, but her adoration was not for fleshly organs, but for MARY. That is why Jesus replied the way He did.

If what you are saying is true, then He could have replied with, "No, it's not her organs that are blessed, but SHE is blessed."

Lilly, you are the one prooftexting here. She said 'blessed is the womb and blessed are the breasts', and indeed blessed is the womb which contained Him and blessed are the breast which fed Him, for how could they not be having contained the pure and sinless Son of God and having been suckled on by the most pure lips of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The very hem of His garment has holy and cured the woman with the issue of blood. Even St. Peter's handkerchief rose the dead because of the Holy Spirit of God working within Peter. Of course the Virgin's womb and breasts were blessed, for that reason the women proclaimed it! He did not deny that the Virgin's womb was blessed. You are stuck on the modern mistranslation made by modern Protestants which turns the word into 'rather' to imply contradiction. But you are falsely understanding the passage because of this innovative distortion of the Scriptures.

Christ's actual answer according to the original Greek text was (paraphrasing) GREATER then the womb and the breasts is the one who does His will, so indeed the womb and breasts were blessed, and greatest is the woman who had this womb and who had these breasts, for her blessedness and holiness was not limited to these organs of life giving service, but on account of her own free will in perfect obedience to Him. Thus she is thrice blessed.

Once again, you're arguing something I never stated. Of course Jesus demonstrated love and honor to His mother. Jesus is sinless and wouldn't go against His own word... Of course it is right to honor our parents.

I posted that verse because I think it has a sort of second meaning, it's not merely about the wedding in Cana, but a reminder for ALL people who might take their focus off of God, to - as Mary put it - "Whatever He says to you, do it."

What you think means little in the overall existence of the universe Lilly, and this is not an insult. This is a humbling truth you need to acknowledge for your own spiritual well being. What you (who are fallible) thinks is in fact different from what the Fathers of the Church taught. Yes, they were fallible too, but they also contained within themselves the Holy Spirit of God. Are you right and they all wrong? Are you abiding in the Holy Spirit more then they? Do you even know anything about their lives to even make a real judgement to compare yourself with them? I implore you to read about the lives of the saints and then you can compare yourself to them and figure out who is the more holier and who the more illumined. And in doing so, you might learn some things which will not only greater strengthen your faith but fill your mind with even greater wonder at the majesty and power of God.

Going back to the verse about the wedding in Cana, Christ performed the wish of His mother, even whilst His hour had not come because of two reasons. Because He loves and honors His mother and this is the righteousness of God, and second because even after expressing His will that is was not time yet, He made a dispensation on account of her perfect obedience in her reply to the servants "Whatever He says to you, do it". She got her wish even when it was not the immediate will of her Son's because she answered in perfect obedience. Saying in effect what she said at the Annunciation 'Not my will, but His will be done', which too is the same thing Christ said in the Garden of Gethsemane.

This perfect and humble obedience and His response demonstrates the power of her intercessions towards her Son, that while we might be tumbling headlong into perdition, she can and does intercede on our behalf. Her prayers do availeth much. Indeed, more than anyone else who has ever lived except for Christ Who answers them. For this reason she is not just merely honored by every apostolic Church as being the greatest Saint, but the very Queen of Heaven, just as her adopted son St. John the Theologian described her in the Book of Revelation.

Which one are you talking about? I mentioned 3 or 4 things. If you can back those doctrines up biblically - not based only on one verse, and certainly not based only on the words of fallible men just because they were associated with a church... then please do so.

Where does the bible say that Mary is the new ark of the covenant? And where does the bible say that Mary is the Queen of Heaven? The only references to "Queen of Heaven" that I have seen in the bible are spoken about in a negative sense, in Jeremiah. And where does the bible say that we should pray to Mary?

I don't mean to put you on the spot... but you're the one who keeps insisting these things, and then telling others we are wrong.

It has to be based FIRST on the scriptures.... not on what some 7th century priests or church officials said. I'm interested in what the scriptures say, and if you could please post specific verses with the chapter and verse number, that would be helpful.

And would it matter if I posted more and more Scriptures? The ones I post to you now you scoff at and give your own interpretation and say what I write are just the musings of fallible 7th century priests, and then proceed to put your interpretation above them. If you wish to stick to the 27 books of the New Testament as the only source of knowledge about the innumerable wonders of God, then you are free to do so. But you are missing out of a lot my friend. Not saying it is not enough to find the Kingdom of God, but missing a lot nonetheless.

The Holy Spirit entering into the world in Pentecost comes in towards the end of the New Testament, but the workings of Him in the Church did not end in the last page of Acts. There is much you are ignoring unfortunately and multitudes of saints in the heavens right now whom you have placed yourself above, putting too much confidence in your own mind and your experience above the 2000 year old mind and experience of the Church. If you don't think you need the wisdom of the saints, or their prayers, or that such things are not beneficial, then that is your prerogative. But this great and holy cloud of witnesses stand before the altar of God, offering prayers and incense for the world (Rev 8:4), and do you not know that these same saints will judge the world? (1 Cor 6:2)
 
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a Queen and a King denote Marriage and share of power and responsibility. Jesus is not married to His earthly Mother, but He sure is married to the Bride, His Church. Jesus does not share anything including His power with anyone, living or dead.
 
a Queen and a King denote Marriage and share of power and responsibility. Jesus is not married to His earthly Mother, but He sure is married to the Bride, His Church. Jesus does not share anything including His power with anyone, living or dead.

You may have missed this from earlier in the thread:

In the Jewish culture, a Davidic King would have his mother as Queen rather than his wife, because he rarely had one wife, but many wives. Sharing power with many wives would be much too difficult, but he had only one mother and she was given the title of Queen. Almost every time a new king is introduced in 1 and 2 Kings, the king’s mother is mentioned. She was a member of the royal court, wore a crown, sat on a throne, and shared in the king’s reign (2 Kings 24:12, 15; Jer. 13:18–20). She acted as counselor to her son (Prov. 31), an advocate of the people, and as an intercessor for the citizens of the kingdom (1 Kings 2:17–20). Since Jesus is a King based on the order of David, it makes sense that His mother would be called Queen.

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BTW Kevin, Jesus does share His power and even His reign with those who do His will. That is the great news of our salvation as co-heirs and adopted sons of the Kingdom of God. We become by grace what Christ is by nature and grow forever from glory to glory into His image and likeness.
 
Israel never had a Queen. ( a Queen never ruled Israel) Though it did have some wicked women that attempted to do so.

There have been several Godly women that have had influence,, in several courts.
But they did not rule as Queen.
 
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The members of the royal family had power and reign and influence on the people (and even the King!) even as it was the King who was the supreme leader of the people. Now you are just being argumentative! No one is claiming that the queen or anyone else in the royal family was above the king, but to deny that there were no queens in the history of Israel is silly. The mothers of the kings were by definition queens by virtue of their sons being kings.
 
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Orthodox Christians commemorate the death (Dormition) of the Virgin Mary during the month of August (New Calendar, the 15th, Old Calendar, the 28th). For those for whom such feasts are foreign, it is easy to misunderstand what the Orthodox are about – and to assume that this is simply a feast to Mary because we like that sort of thing. Flippant attitudes fail to perceive the depths of the mystery of our salvation. The Dormition of the Mother of God is one of many doorways into that mystery – all of which are Christ – who alone is our salvation.


The Christian life, as taught by the Scriptures and the fathers, is grounded in the mystery and reality of communion. We do not exist alone, nor do we exist merely as a collection. Our lives are a communion of lives. We share one another in ways that permeate the whole of our being. I am unique, and yet I am also the child of Jim and Nancy, the husband Beth, etc. Though I am unique, so much of who I am and what I am is their lives and the lives of generations of human beings and culture – not just genetic relatives – but all of humanity. Without such knowledge (whether conscious or unconscious), we do not love as we should and will not live as we should. Your life is my life; God help us.


The belief that God became man in the Incarnation of Jesus Christ, makes no sense and has but little value apart from the reality of life understood as communion. It is thus crucial that the Creed confesses, “He took flesh of the Virgin Mary and was made man.” The womb of the Virgin was not “borrowed space” which God inhabited until His birth. The womb of the Virgin is also that place and that source by which God “took flesh of the Virgin Mary.”


There are many theological accounts of Christ and His work of salvation that center almost solely upon the idea of Christ as a sacrifice on the Cross, a payment for the penalty of our sins. This account tends to “stand on its own.” There is nothing inherent within Christ’s birth from a Virgin to such a view of the Atonement. Nor is the Virgin seen to have any inherent connection to the saving acts of God as made known to us in the Scriptures. Thus those who profess her virginity in such cases only do so because it is recorded in the Scripture – but they do not do so because they understand its true role in our salvation. They believe in the fact of her virginity, but do not understand its mystery.


Our salvation is not achieved by an objective payment (even if the image of payment may be found in the Scriptures). The unifying teaching of the Scriptures with regard to Christ is that our salvation is through union with Him, through true communion in His life.


His Incarnation (God-become-man) is thus a foundational reality of God’s restoration of our communion with Him. Christ becomes a partaker of our life, that we might become partakers of His. This reality is made profoundly clear in that God not only comes to dwell among us, but comes to do so as a man, having taken flesh of the Virgin Mary. He becomes “flesh of her flesh and bone of her bone” (Ge. 2:23). And yet another image: “And a sword will pierce your own soul also” (Lk. 2:35). Mary is united to Christ in the flesh, and mystically in her soul as well.


Her role in the salvation of the world (through union with Christ) is so profound that it is prophesied in the early chapters of Genesis (Ge. 3:15). She, and the Virgin Birth, are pre-figured repeatedly throughout the Old Testament (as interpreted by the fathers). There is a traditional hymn, sung during the vesting of a Bishop, that makes reference to just a small sample of such prefigurements:

Of old the Prophets aforetime proclaimed thee,
the Golden Vessel, the Staff, the Tablet, the Ark,
the Lampstand, the Table, the Uncut Mountain,
the Golden Censer, the Gate Impassible,
and the Throne of the King,
thee did the Prophets proclaim of old.​


Perhaps the greatest collection of such references can be found in the 6th century hymn called the Akathist to the Theotokos.


This prefigurement and its abundant use in the fathers, all flows from the fundamental understanding of salvation as communion. Thus she, as the Mother of God, belongs with Christ. She belongs with Him as the Golden Vessel belonged with the Manna (she is the vessel who contained the Bread of Heaven); she belongs with Him as Aaron’s Rod belongs with the buds which sprang forth (that He should be born from her virginal womb is like the life which springs forth from Aaron’s lifeless rod); she is the Tablet as Christ is the words inscribed; she is the lampstand as Christ Himself is the Light, etc.


As the Creed tells us, Christ died, in accordance with the Scriptures. This does not mean in “accordance with the Gospel writings”, but “in accordance with the Scriptures of the Old Testament” (we first see the phrase in 1 Corinthians 15:3). Through the eyes of the fathers and the Tradition of the Church we begin to see that “in accordance with the Scriptures” is more than the few references that can be found that refer to payment or sacrifice or that point to the Cross. The Gospel given to us includes a very holistic understanding of salvation and its story that unfolds from beginning to end.


The union with the flesh of the Virgin is the union with our humanity – indeed with the whole created order. What Christ takes to Himself in that action, He takes with Himself throughout His ministry, taking it into death and Hades and raising it again with Himself on the third day. Thus St. Paul can say:


Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin (Romans 6:4-6).


These comments on death and resurrection in the context of Baptism, in which “we have been united together,” only make sense in an understanding of salvation as communion.


The death of the Mother of God (for He who was born of her was truly God as well as truly man), commemorated in the Feast of the Dormition, is something in which all of creation shares. For the point of the Incarnation was not simply to take flesh of the Virgin, but to be united with the whole created order. And so creation itself “groans and travails” as it awaits the final completion of our salvation (Romans 8). Or as the Church sings:


All of creation rejoices in Thee, O Full of Grace,
the assembly of angels and the race of men.
O sanctified temple and spiritual paradise,
the glory of virgins,
from whom God was incarnate and became a child.
Our God before the ages,
He made thy body into a throne,
and thy womb He made more spacious than the Heavens.
All of creation rejoices in thee,
O Full of Grace, glory to thee!


Her Dormition is indeed a day the earth stood still – for the Mother of us all passes from death to life.
 
The members of the royal family

Stop right there.

Fuck your Royal Families. Israel was NEVER supposed to have a King. It was WRONG.

The people wanted a King to be like the Pagans. God allowed it, but gave a warning. It was a curse that the people invited on themselves.

They got a King because they rejected God. "Royal Families" are still a curse to this day.
 
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The members of the royal family /QUOTE]

Stop right there.

Fuck your Royal Families. Israel was NEVER supposed to have a King. It was WRONG.

The people wanted a King to be like the Pagans. God allowed it, but gave a warning. It was a curse that the people invited on themselves.

They got a King because they rejected God. "Royal Families" are still a curse to this day.

So King David was a curse to Israel? How about King Solomon? From my understanding, his was a time of great peace and when the Temple was constructed. Perhaps God should have waited for a libertarian society to accomplish this? And I always thought these kings of Israel were anointed, some by the hands of great and holy prophets!

Your hatred for monarchy blinds you from basic facts, to the extreme where you will deny the existence of queens in the history of Israel.
 
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