Martin Luther King III (Socialist) vs. Alveda King (Capitalist)

[FrankRep]

Martin Luther King's son, Martin Luther King III, and King's niece, Dr. Alveda
King, found themselves on opposing sides when it came to the Glenn Beck rally.



Family Feud Erupts Over Martin Luther King's Legacy


AOL News
Aug 28, 2010


WASHINGTON (Aug 28) -- A day of activism and protest in the nation's capital today featured two prominent members of the King family laying very different claims on the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s legacy.

Addressing a massive crowd gathered at the Lincoln Memorial for Glenn Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally, King's niece, Dr. Alveda King, tied the civil rights icon's legacy to the themes of honor, patriotism, service and faith that were highlighted at the gathering.

"Today, we are here to honor special men and women, who like my uncle Martin are blessed with servants' hearts," she said. "Though they gave their service in ways very different from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., like him they are people who are not afraid to give their lives for the freedom of others. If uncle Martin could be here today, he would surely commend them."

Beck chose to hold his rally on the 47th anniversary of Martin Luther King's "I Have A Dream Speech," in the same spot on the National Mall where King and other civil rights leaders made an impassioned plea for equal rights in 1963. The rally showcased Sarah Palin and a diverse cast of speakers and honorees on stage, including a number of African-American pastors and entertainers. But Politics Daily notes that the large crowd was mostly white.

Martin Luther King III, King's son, participated in a counter-rally organized by the Rev. Al Sharpton dubbed "Reclaiming the Dream." King delivered a rebuke to the free market policies embraced by conservatives like Beck and Palin, reminding the crowd that his father's final years were spent fighting for economic justice.

"This is not about a left side or a right side," King said. "This is about God's side in terms of doing what's right for all of America. That's what Martin Luther King's dream is about.

"We have made great strides. We have made strides in race relations. But we still have not made enough strides around economics," he said. "Everybody in this nation of vast wealth can have a decent job. Everybody in this nation of vast wealth can have a decent home. Everybody in this nation should have the best education possible. Everybody should have decent health care. Everybody in the Unites States should be able to have justice."

At Beck's rally, Alveda King connected her uncle's hope with the conservative commentator's call to help restore traditional American values: "Forty-seven years ago, uncle Martin compared our nation's promise of equal protection to a check marked 'insufficient funds.' Today, in more than one sense, America is nearly bankrupt," she said.

"Yet we are not without hope. Faith, hope and love are not dead in America," she said. "We put our trust in God."

A few scattered protesters unfurled a sign along D.C.'s Independence Avenue that proclaimed King was a "Dream" while Beck was a "Nightmare."

But the biggest counter protest to the Beck rally was the "Reclaiming the Dream" event a few miles away, in Washington's historically black Shaw neighborhood. Beginning in Shaw, the protesters marched to the future site of the Martin Luther King Jr. memorial.

"The structural breakdown of a strong national government, which is what they're calling for, is something that does not serve the interests of the nation and it's something that Dr. King and others fought against," Sharpton said on C-SPAN, explaining the need for the rally.

To CBS News, Sharpton said, "Glenn Beck is coming here to ask government to leave us alone, so he's trying to reverse what King did and there are those of us who are not going to allow that to happen."


SOURCE:
http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/family-feud-erupts-over-martin-luther-kings-legacy/19612128

 

[FrankRep]

Shocking Racism at Al Sharpton's Martin Luther King Anniversary Rally
YouTube - Shocking Racism at Al Sharpton's Martin Luther King Anniversary Rally

Martin Luther King Jr.'s Niece, Alveda King, Compares Glenn Beck to Her Uncle
YouTube - Martin Luther King Jr.'s Niece, Alveda King, Compares Glenn Beck to Her Uncle

 

[BlackSand]

To CBS News, Sharpton said, "Glenn Beck is coming here to ask government to leave us alone, so he's trying to reverse what King did and there are those of us who are not going to allow that to happen."

Correct me if Im wrong...But werent the Jim Crowe Laws enforced by the government?

 

[Sola_Fide]

Correct me if Im wrong...But werent the Jim Crowe Laws enforced by the government?

Of course.


Also, MLK was not a shining example of libertarianism. He called for reparations, he called for affirmative action, and he was a fellow traveler with the Communists of his day

Just sayin....

 

[djdellisanti4]

I don't understand how people came to blame capitalism for racism.

Nazi Germany was no where near capitalism and look what happened. The government had so much power that it was able to exterminate millions of people for their race and beliefs. When you allow the government to get as big as a socialist government would require, you've just built the foundation for racist government leaders to take control and implement their racist agenda.

 

[FrankRep]

I don't understand how people came to blame capitalism for racism.

The Communists exploited the Civil Rights movement to push their anti-Capitalist agenda. Listen to the interview below.


1968: Black Constitutionalist, Freeman Yearling, Takes on the Establishment

In this clip: Joe Pyne hosts a crazy 1968 discussion of black issues between Rev. E. Freeman Yearling of the John Birch Society and L. C. Wheeler of the militant and anti-Zionist Black Cat's Bone organization.​

YouTube - Channel Ø #13 4/8 Joe Pyne: John Birch's Rev. Yearling Vs Black Cat's Bone's L.C. Wheeler

YouTube - Channel Ø #13 5/8 Joe Pyne: John Birch's Rev. Yearling Vs Black Cat's Bone's L.C. Wheeler

YouTube - Channel Ø #13 6/8 Joe Pyne: John Birch's Rev. Yearling Vs Black Cat's Bone's L.C. Wheeler


The Effectiveness of The John Birch Society

Black American Speakers. Several courageous black American JBS members helped bring an end to the violence and strife of the 1960s and 1970s. The work of such heroic individuals as Julia Brown, Lola Belle Holmes, Freeman Yearling and others, plus the writing of George Schuyler, brought a truly American message to large audiences especially in the South. Numerous demonstrations and their planned riots were canceled when the truth about the communist influence behind these operations was provided to Americans of all races.

 

[FrankRep]

Correct me if Im wrong...But werent the Jim Crowe Laws enforced by the government?

The Jim Crow laws were state and local laws in the United States enacted between 1876 and 1965.


John Birch Society on the Jim Crow laws:

On the Civil Rights movement...Yes, we did end up on the losing side of trying to stop the expansion of federal government control over our lives under that banner. However, The John Birch Society never endorsed segregation. The John Birch Society argued that the federal government should stay within its constitutionally defined restrictions of power. It argued for Jim Crow laws to be repealed at the state level.

Admittedly, that route would likely have taken longer and left the many victims of Jim Crow laws wanting. And yes, we admit that most of the leaders of The John Birch Society not being directly affected by the worst elements of segregation, could more freely choose to stand on the principle that the Federal government, restricted by the U.S. Constitution, had no authority to enact the civil rights laws.


SOURCE:

Rachel Maddow Lavishes Christmas Presents on John Birch Society
http://www.jbs.org/us-constitution-blog/5791
​

 

[FrankRep]

Ted Hayes Debates Rev. Eric Lee on Glenn Becks Restoring Honor Rally in Washington DC

YouTube - Ted Hayes Debates Rev. Eric Lee on Glenn Becks Restoring Honor Rally in Washington DC

 

[johngr]

To paraphrase Larry Auster, "[Tea Partiers who use Uncle Tom blacks as tokens] degrade both their own dignity and that of the black people whom they treat as badges..." Meanwhile, the liberals are ROTF. This kind of shit scores no points with them. Not only is it degrading to all parties involved, it's a losing rhetorical battle as well.

Again, tell people who call you racist, "so the Tea Party is overwhelmingly majority white. And? Your point?"

 

[jmdrake]

Of course.


Also, MLK was not a shining example of libertarianism. He called for reparations, he called for affirmative action, and he was a fellow traveler with the Communists of his day

Just sayin....

Links please? I know for a fact that the communist charge is suspect or just plain bogus. It's based on a southern pro segregation newspaper claiming that the founders of "Highlander Research and Education Center" were communist but that charge was never proven and the founders deny it to this day. People claim that Ron Paul is racist too.

Just sayin....

Edit: Did my own search and all I could find was people taking an excerpt from MLK's "I have a dream speech" where he talked about America writing a check to blacks that was returned marked "insufficient funds" and taking that to mean "reparations". That could mean a lot of things. But it's ironic that Alveda King used that same language in the article FrankRep posted. So do "libertarians" like that language or not? Also are libertarians against reparations in general or just when they're going to black people? For example, the Japanese reparations agreement for WW II internment went not only to survivors but also to heirs of survivors. And we also paid reparations to Ford and GM for bombing their Nazi plants in Germany. I'm not a big proponent of reparations. But I find it odd that (some) people only get upset over slave reparations.

 

[jmdrake]

The Jim Crow laws were state and local laws in the United States enacted between 1876 and 1965.


John Birch Society on the Jim Crow laws:

On the Civil Rights movement...Yes, we did end up on the losing side of trying to stop the expansion of federal government control over our lives under that banner. However, The John Birch Society never endorsed segregation. The John Birch Society argued that the federal government should stay within its constitutionally defined restrictions of power. It argued for Jim Crow laws to be repealed at the state level.

Admittedly, that route would likely have taken longer and left the many victims of Jim Crow laws wanting. And yes, we admit that most of the leaders of The John Birch Society not being directly affected by the worst elements of segregation, could more freely choose to stand on the principle that the Federal government, restricted by the U.S. Constitution, had no authority to enact the civil rights laws.


SOURCE:

Rachel Maddow Lavishes Christmas Presents on John Birch Society
http://www.jbs.org/us-constitution-blog/5791
​

14th amendment:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
....
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Now maybe the JBS debates the validity of the 14th amendment. Ok.

Article IV

Section 4 - Republican government

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

People in the liberty movement love to point out how superior a republic is to a democracy because a republic protects the rights of the minority. Here's what Ron Paul had to say on the subject.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul76.html

A constitution in and by itself does not guarantee liberty in a republican form of government. Even a perfect constitution with this goal in mind is no better than the moral standards and desires of the people. Although the United States Constitution was by far the best ever written for the protection of liberty, with safeguards against the dangers of a democracy, it too was flawed from the beginning. Instead of guaranteeing liberty equally for all people, the authors themselves yielded to the democratic majority’s demands that they compromise on the issue of slavery. This mistake, plus others along the way, culminated in a Civil War that surely could have been prevented with clearer understanding and a more principled approach to the establishment of a constitutional republic.

I submit that "yielding to the democratic majority's demands for forced segregation" was a similar "mistake". In fact that's why it was democrats who for allowing slavery and later for allowing segregation and republicans who initially worked to dismantle both institutions.

 

[FrankRep]

Links please? I know for a fact that the communist charge is suspect or just plain bogus.

Martin Luther King, Jr., Man or Myth?
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=8646



The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Which Only Wicked Oppressors Could Oppose, and For No Good Reason)
http://www.thomasewoods.com/blog/th...pressors-could-oppose-and-for-no-good-reason/





Thomas E. Woods Jr: The Civil Rights Act was UnConstitutional, Statist, and a Failure


Lecture by Thomas E. Woods Jr. presented at the Ludwig von Mises Institute's "History of Liberty" seminar held at the Institute in Auburn, Alabama, June 24-30, 2001. This Instructional Seminar of 23 lectures is modeled on the Mises University and presents a reinterpretation of the history of liberty from the ancient world--an ambitious agenda but a wonderfully successful conference.

http://www.mises.org/

YouTube - Civil Rights and Statism [Thomas E. Woods, Jr.]

 

[jmdrake]

FrankRep, You have a knack for posting links that have NOTHING to do with the question being asked!

I asked for proof that King associated with communists. You posted information from Tom Woods (who I personally think is an idiot) about his views on the civil rights act. I ask for an apple, you give me an orangutan. I guess I should have expected that.

Edit: Ok. The first link is helpful in answering the question of whether King supported reparations. He didn't support direct payments but rather government programs. Of course such programs have already happened (LBJ's "great society") and many believe them to have been a failure anyway. I'm not sure why reparation opponents don't simply point that out.

Martin Luther King, Jr., Man or Myth?
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=8646



The Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Which Only Wicked Oppressors Could Oppose, and For No Good Reason)
http://www.thomasewoods.com/blog/th...pressors-could-oppose-and-for-no-good-reason/





Thomas E. Woods Jr: The Civil Rights Act was UnConstitutional, Statist, and a Failure


Lecture by Thomas E. Woods Jr. presented at the Ludwig von Mises Institute's "History of Liberty" seminar held at the Institute in Auburn, Alabama, June 24-30, 2001. This Instructional Seminar of 23 lectures is modeled on the Mises University and presents a reinterpretation of the history of liberty from the ancient world--an ambitious agenda but a wonderfully successful conference.

http://www.mises.org/

YouTube - Civil Rights and Statism [Thomas E. Woods, Jr.]

 

[LibertyEagle]

Jmdrake, use the search facility. Remember back during the campaign when we were talking about having a moneybomb on MLK Day? There were more than a few sources cited and links provided that addressed your query.

 

[jmdrake]

Jmdrake, use the search facility. Remember back during the campaign when we were talking about having a moneybomb on MLK Day? There were more than a few sources cited and links provided that addressed your query.

And most of them were crap just like the ones FrankRep provided. Yes I remember all of the nonsense that people put up during moneybomb day that helped undermine the moneybomb Ron Paul asked for and made us look like kooks. Trying to forget that. Doing my own research I've found that the "communist charge" against King is about as well founded as the "white supremacist charge" against Ron Paul.

 

[FrankRep]

I asked for proof that King associated with communists.

Martin Luther King: The Celebration of a Myth
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index...-martin-luther-king-the-celebration-of-a-myth


Martin Luther King, Jr., Man or Myth?
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=8646



Dr. Martin Luther King talks about Socialism
YouTube - Dr. Martin Luther King and Socialism

 

[jmdrake]

Martin Luther King: The Celebration of a Myth
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index...-martin-luther-king-the-celebration-of-a-myth

Tell me this Frank. Why are you ok with the idea that slave owners should have been paid for their "property" but that their slaves should not have been paid back wages?

Side note: Have you gone back and read the 14th amendment yet, or do you still think that overturning Jim Crowe was unconstitutional?

Also, your link just proves that MLK supported the same "great society" that LBJ supported. No proof that King hung with "communists". I know you and the JBS don't make a distinction. Even Eisenhower supposedly was a commie.

 

[FrankRep]

....

Have you watched this yet?


Dr. Martin Luther King talks about Socialism
YouTube - Dr. Martin Luther King and Socialism

 

[jmdrake]

Have you watched this yet?


Dr. Martin Luther King talks about Socialism
YouTube - Dr. Martin Luther King and Socialism

Sure. I don't disagree with the sentiment. I don't think wealth should be redistributed by the government, but I'm working to redistribute economic power every day through other means. Ending the federal reserve will cause a massive redistribution of economic power. Going to "peer lending" as opposed to banks will redistribute economic power. And the Ron Paul movement itself seeks to redistribute political power away from those who have it now. King was right that something needed to be done. He might have been wrong about what that something was (great society was a failure) but certainly right that something needed to be done.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Palin supports the Free-Market...don't make me laugh! Hahaha. Same with Beck. Both phonie balogne Fascists.

As for MLK...troubled man in a troubled society who held anti-liberty views. If you are going to hold up a staunch defender of civil-liberties in regards to the problems faced by blacks, look to someone like Lysander Spooner, and other Abolitionists. They didn't support non-sense like reperations to be paid by society, a society in which a great many people never had, or never wanted slaves. Why the fuck should I be punished for what someone else did?