marriage

[BetterCallSaul]

I did bitch slap Pauly D once in Brooklyn, but that was a long time ago, and no.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

And I think that my wife is proud of our sex life, and see nothing disrespectful about saying that we still get it on like teenagers. You are the one with the issue here mama? lol

 

[otherone]

oh...I thought that role models entrench themselves as behavior patterns in childhood and adolescence.

Now, no. I know few men that I admire even a little bit.

I suspected as much, which is why I asked. You are still a young man, and you are trying to navigate the world around you by wits alone without a compass. I had no role model at your age either, other than business contacts who believed the only morality was profitability. Trust me when I tell you, the most absolutely vital possession you will EVER have in your life is your integrity. And if you've made mistakes in the past, don't worry, everyday is a new opportunity to do the right thing.
Reread Aurelius.

 

[cajuncocoa]

disrespectful to who? It's in the Off-Topic forum, so not you or other posters. No one is being misled or tricked or harassed. You just need to loosen up baby girl lol

OMG, now you've done it. You'd better duck, son.

 

[Seraphim]

Tell ya what bud,

Let's test that theory.

Since you seem so keen on charming other women...give me 10 minutes in a room with your wifey so we can see how quick I can make her weak in the knees.

Seems consistent for her to flirt if you get to as well.

Well her trust is hers. It is based on her own upbringing and relationships, not my behavior. That's why shitbags who run around fathering children with other women are still trusted, while well-house-broken and domesticated caring husbandly types can still be NOT trusted.

and yeah, "possession" is a good word; when I met her, and still today, the thought of her with another man literally makes my throat vibrate like when a dog growls threateningly. I would use my teeth to keep suitors away.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

That's not trolling though huh? lol

yep loser and coward. Talk about Marriage as an institution that grew from the ruling class's demands and their tiered land-ownership structure, and I might start to doubt my initial impression.

 

[Seraphim]

You're merely deflecting from YOUR beef with marriage because it's not what YOU thought it would be.

That's not trolling though huh? lol

yep loser and coward. Talk about Marriage as an institution that grew from the ruling class's demands and their tiered land-ownership structure, and I might start to doubt my initial impression.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

I suspected as much, which is why I asked. You are still a young man, and you are trying to navigate the world around you by wits alone without a compass. I had no role model at your age either, other than business contacts who believed the only morality was profitability. Trust me when I tell you, the most absolutely vital possession you will EVER have in your life is your integrity. And if you've made mistakes in the past, don't worry, everyday is a new opportunity to do the right thing.
Reread Aurelius.

I appreciate this line of advice, but I am at the point where I am weighing and questioning the notion of "integrity." Does one have integrity if he habitually denies the real messages that his body and mind are sending, in favor of a concept that he spoke long in the past, as another man? Or is that a dressed up word for "cowardice?" That's where I am at.

 

[otherone]

I appreciate this line of advice, but I am at the point where I am weighing and questioning the notion of "integrity." Does one have integrity if he habitually denies the real messages that his body and mind are sending, in favor of a concept that he spoke long in the past, as another man? Or is that a dressed up word for "cowardice?" That's where I am at.

"Integrity" is where your behavior is in concert with the promises you have made.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

I suspected as much, which is why I asked. You are still a young man, and you are trying to navigate the world around you by wits alone without a compass.

truth and wisdom. But, maybe exactly because of my marriage, I reject all compasses; nowhere on earth do I see men and women in any state of affairs that I believe desirable, so, obviously all of the leadership of the past has only led us into those contemptible situations. I am off the road and in uncharted territory.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

"Integrity" is where your behavior is in concert with the promises you have made.

haha in that case, I have no claim to any integrity whatsoever. To even get a job, for example, you necessarily have to take fake oaths. To be an american citizen, you have to make fake promises.

But I reject the idea of having made these promises at all, if some information necessary to make an informed decision is never whispered by anyone and not available to me at the time of said promise. I also don't believe that me now and me years and years ago are the same man at all, and have no feelings of obligations to live up to the fantasies of that asshole.

 

[otherone]

truth and wisdom. But, maybe exactly because of my marriage, I reject all compasses; nowhere on earth do I see men and women in any state of affairs that I believe desirable, so, obviously all of the leadership of the past has only led us into those contemptible situations. I am off the road and in uncharted territory.

This is Nietzsche. But if you wish to create your own morality, you have to discard the fake morality you've shackled yourself to. Divorce your wife, and live as the ubermensch you envision. Just don't break someone's heart who believes in you. If you truly 'want' her, you need to curb your libido. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

 

[otherone]

haha in that case, I have no claim to any integrity whatsoever. To even get a job, for example, you necessarily have to take fake oaths. To be an american citizen, you have to make fake promises.

But I reject the idea of having made these promises at all, if some information necessary to make an informed decision is never whispered by anyone and not available to me at the time of said promise. I also don't believe that me now and me years and years ago are the same man at all, and have no feelings of obligations to live up to the fantasies of that asshole.

GRANTED. False promises are no measure of integrity. REAL promises are. Are you saying you can't be held accountable to your wedding vows? Does your wife feel the same way? Do you believe in fairness?

 

[BetterCallSaul]

But I want my wife to be my wife. The way I figure morality, the way that I want that makes it absolutely correct.

lll this got way personal because no one has really addressed like, poverty, taxation, inheritance, "legitimate" children, etc. I just meant to argue that the institution of marriage is ambiguous and scam'y, and that it is a means of manipulating people into subordinated economic positions.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

GRANTED. False promises are no measure of integrity. REAL promises are. Are you saying you can't be held accountable to your wedding vows? Does your wife feel the same way? Do you believe in fairness?

well only she vowed obedience

I hear you though- I take that vow seriously. Thus the discussion. I am saying, I like being my wife's husband, but, the way the thread has gone, you can see that what that means is debatable and no clear consensus exists.

 

[otherone]

But I want my wife to be my wife. The way I figure morality, the way that I want that makes it absolutely correct.

lll this got way personal because no one has really addressed like, poverty, taxation, inheritance, "legitimate" children, etc. I just meant to argue that the institution of marriage is ambiguous and scam'y, and that it is a means of manipulating people into subordinated economic positions.

It got personal because you made it so. Start a new topic with the question whether the institution of marriage is a tool of the State.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Which leads me to fear that marriage is a total scam, and that I am doomed. Not that the wife is anything but lovely, but the institution itself truly feels like a means for the ruling class to farm out enforcement to unpaid agents who are nevertheless invested in my conformity to its dictates.

What do you folks think of it?

first post

haha then the haters circled with their knives flashing and tongues hanging

 

[BetterCallSaul]

Where is Easton? This would be way better with alcohol in person. Do you ever come to Philadelphia?

 

[otherone]

well only she vowed obedience

I hear you though- I take that vow seriously. Thus the discussion. I am saying, I like being my wife's husband, but, the way the thread has gone, you can see that what that means is debatable and no clear consensus exists.

Seriously, dude...when TSHTF, how valuable is it that someone's REALLY got your back....if your wife has put up with your nonsense for seven years, she's a treasure you need to cleave to, bra'. Forget what society says about marriage. Think about being joined to the woman you wake up to every morning.

 

[BetterCallSaul]

What does TSHTF mean?