Malaysia Airlines passenger jet reportedly shot down in Ukraine

[GunnyFreedom]

Then that is an opinion, not a definitive statement, as you phrased it.

It's definitive enough for me.

 

[Danke]

It's definitive enough for me.

O.K.

 

[squarepusher]

First thing I read this morning while checking my e mail is a story from Yahoo from a senior Ukranian Officer who said the bodies on the plane were not fresh, as in dead well before the alleged "shoot down" took place.

I called this first on this forum, and I stand by it. This was the missing Malaysian flight from weeks ago. The passengers died from the high altitude and the plane was flown to a facility with cold storage; to be used just for this type of false flag incident to beat the war drums.

 

[PRB]

First thing I read this morning while checking my e mail is a story from Yahoo from a senior Ukranian Officer who said the bodies on the plane were not fresh, as in dead well before the alleged "shoot down" took place.

I called this first on this forum, and I stand by it. This was the missing Malaysian flight from weeks ago. The passengers died from the high altitude and the plane was flown to a facility with cold storage; to be used just for this type of false flag incident to beat the war drums.

cool story bro. how about some evidence.

I guess somebody just made up the HIV/AIDS researchers part huh?

 

[AngryCanadian]

cool story bro. how about some evidence.

I guess somebody just made up the HIV/AIDS researchers part huh?

On the Canadian news media outlets they arent even mentioning that part, expect a Canadian died to on the plane
For tragedy Canadian news media outlets always spew out there nationalism first.

 

[AngryCanadian]

To this day there has being still ZERO Evidence that Russia was behind it or that even an Missile was fired at it.

 

[56ktarget]

Yes, Im sure it just blew up on its own.

 

[PRB]

To this day there has being still ZERO Evidence that Russia was behind it or that even an Missile was fired at it.

but there's plenty of evidence Israel benefitted the most from this.

 

[PRB]

On the Canadian news media outlets they arent even mentioning that part, expect a Canadian died to on the plane
For tragedy Canadian news media outlets always spew out there nationalism first.

so by this logic, which country's media would likely report that MH17 is the same MH plane lost last time?

 

[AngryCanadian]

so by this logic, which country's media would likely report that MH17 is the same MH plane lost last time?

Deflecting the issue nice try you didn't realize i knew what you trying to do with that post? by your logic which country's media had reported a downed helicopter and reported as an Ukrainian helicopter?

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Well we could always go by Hellary's logic. The missile was of Russian design, so that means Russia did it

 

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Yes, Im sure it just blew up on its own.

It was good enough for TWA 800....

 

[dannno]

Yes, Im sure it just blew up on its own.

Are you insinuating planes are not capable of blowing up on their own?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Relevant reading... Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission well...if one tends to be curious about why all of the problems with Malaysian airplanes all of a sudden. Is someone mad at Malaysia for something?


Aside - Russia's 10 Questions to Ukraine that we won't see reported on Faux, See BS or any other western media... Malaysia MH17 crash: 10 questions Russia wants Ukraine to answer

1. Immediately after the tragedy, the Ukrainian authorities, naturally, blamed it on the self-defense forces. What are these accusations based on?

2. Can Kiev explain in detail how it uses Buk missile launchers in the conflict zone? And why were these systems deployed there in the first place, seeing as the self-defense forces don’t have any planes?

3. Why are the Ukrainian authorities not doing anything to set up an international commission? When will such a commission begin its work?

4. Would the Ukrainian Armed Forces be willing to let international investigators see the inventory of their air-to-air and surface-to-air missiles, including those used in SAM launchers?

5. Will the international commission have access to tracking data from reliable sources regarding the movements of Ukrainian warplanes on the day of the tragedy?

6. Why did Ukrainian air traffic controllers allow the plane to deviate from the regular route to the north, towards “the anti-terrorist operation zone”?

7. Why was airspace over the warzone not closed for civilian flights, especially since the area was not entirely covered by radar navigation systems?

8. How can official Kiev comment on reports in the social media, allegedly by a Spanish air traffic controller who works in Ukraine, that there were two Ukrainian military planes flying alongside the Boeing 777 over Ukrainian territory?

9. Why did Ukraine’s Security Service start working with the recordings of communications between Ukrainian air traffic controllers and the Boeing crew and with the data storage systems from Ukrainian radars without waiting for international investigators?

10. What lessons has Ukraine learned from a similar incident in 2001, when a Russian Tu-154 crashed into the Black Sea? Back then, the Ukrainian authorities denied any involvement on the part of Ukraine’s Armed Forces until irrefutable evidence proved official Kiev to be guilty.

Malaysia Airlines MH17 plane crash in Ukraine LIVE UPDATES

 

[AngryCanadian]

Remember the Iraqi soldiers take babies out of incubators that was used in an testimony as an excuse to invade Kuwait? here's a modern dead bodies version of it.

MH17 victims put into refrigerated train bound for unknown destination

International monitors arrive in Torez to inspect wagons accompanied by convoy of heavily armed and nervous rebels

The US and other powers have said the plane was probably brought down on Thursday by a surface-to-air missile fired from rebel territory.

Three Days now still no evidence provided by the west.
Seems Westren Propaganda isn't stopping.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

They have in the recent months taken down a few low flying aircraft,, all with shoulder fired AA missiles.

And as yet,,despite all the hype, there is no evidence of it being a missile.. Though it is likely.
And there has been no evidence of where it was fired from (if it was a missile) the ground or air..

Those are all accusations without proof as yet.

This. Eyes on the established facts, not the government claimed ones. The "separatists accidentally shot down a high-altitude passenger plane" view is the the most high probability scenario IF they had the means, which is not established. The factions that ARE established to have such equipment are Russia, Ukraine, and the West (the latter---DIA/CIA, MI6, Mossad?---could do so as part of a black or false flag op).

The only faction known to have those means, AND known as a fact to be in the area, is the Kiev military---which makes getting the ATC, radar and related trajectory data about the incident a priority. Oh wait, Kiev authorities have grabbed all that data, so no independent review of it is available. Aw, shucks!

Why would they [Israel] need to infiltrate a war zone, steal an anti aircraft gun, divert a passenger jet without them knowing it, and then shoot that jet down as a distraction from an activity that nobody has ever bothered to care about before?

Perhaps they are about to do something far worse, and need cover. Or the US is about to participate in an expanded Mid-east military action, and they needed cover. Who says Israel needs to steal anti-aircraft equipment they already are known to have? And most likely, the shootdown and scapegoating benefits the Western master plan that requires that Russia be bogged down in the Ukrainian mess, so they can't stop the US/Israel when they attack Syria, Iran, etc.

 

[AngryCanadian]

This. Eyes on the established facts, not the government claimed ones. The "separatists accidentally shot down a high-altitude passenger plane" view is the the most high probability scenario IF they had the means, which is not established. The factions that ARE established to have such equipment are Russia, Ukraine, and the west (the later---DIA/CIA, MI6, Mossad?---could do so as part of a black or false flag op).

The only faction known to have those means, AND known as a fact to be in the area, is the Kiev military---which makes getting the ATC, radar and related trajectory data about the incident a priority. Oh wait, Kiev authorities have grabbed all that data, so no independent review of it is available. Aw, shucks!



Perhaps they are about to do something far worse, and need cover. Or the US is about to participate in an expanded Mid-east military action, and they needed cover. Who says Israel needs to steal anti-aircraft equipment they already are known to have? And most likely, the shootdown and scapegoating benefits the Western master plan requires that Russia be bogged down in the Ukrainian mess, so they can't stop the US/Israel when they attack Syria, Iran, etc.

You nailed it pretty much this why they want to drag Russia into an war with Ukraine, they are still desperately wanting another round to go at it in Syria and like you said to take Iran down as well.


Don't forget in recent weeks the Ukrainian military had faced a number of losses they needed a boost and i think this will be for a while as i think like the other Malaysia Airliner it will be forgotten.

 

[pcosmar]

Yes, Im sure it just blew up on its own.

I am sure it impacted the ground.. How and why are still open questions.

It is quite clear that it did not blow up at 30,000 ft. It remained intact until impact..

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Washington’s propaganda machine is in such high gear that we are in danger of losing the facts that we do have.

One fact is that the separatists do not have the expensive Buk anti-aircraft missile system or the trained personnel to operate it.

Another fact is that the separatists have no incentive to shoot down an airliner and neither does Russia. Anyone can tell the difference between low-flying attack aircraft and an airliner at 33,000 feet.

The Ukrainians do have Buk anti-aircraft missile systems, and a Buk battery was operational in the region and deployed at a site from which it could have fired a missile at the airliner.

Just as the separatists and the Russian government have no incentive to shoot down an airliner, neither does the Ukrainian government nor, one would think, even the crazed extreme Ukrainian nationalists who have formed militias to take the fight against the separatists that the Ukrainian army is not keen to undertake–unless there was a plan to frame Russia.

It's a pretty good synopsis:

More at: http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archive.../what-happened-to-the-malaysian-airliner.aspx

Also stated in the article:

Contrast the US government’s support for Israel’s war crimes with the propaganda onslaught against Russia based on lies. We are living all over again “Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction,” “Assad’s use of chemical weapons,” “Iranian nukes.”

Washington has lied for so long that it can’t do anything else.

 

[UWDude]

This. Eyes on the established facts, not the government claimed ones. The "separatists accidentally shot down a high-altitude passenger plane" view is the the most high probability scenario IF they had the means, which is not established.

The rebels seized an airfield with SAM missiles capable of shooting down an airliner.