Malaysia Airlines passenger jet reportedly shot down in Ukraine

[Brian4Liberty]

Does anyone else find it rather coincidental that "the big bad Rooskies shoot down a civilian airliner" the very moment that Israel starts to really come under severe international scrutiny regarding its actions in Palestine?

Yep. Very coincidental. Connected or cause and effect? I doubt it.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

No, Putin has basically nothing to do with this. A group of rebels who happen to like Russia accidentally shoot down a passenger jet that had strayed into hotly contested air space, the shooters having expected some kind of military supply/weapons run from the de facto Ukraine gov. At best they can blame Putin for not telling the separatists to go home sit down and shut up.

Even if the Ukraine had jets on this contact (the myth of Reagan strikes again? lol), you would not know if it was being predated or escorted, neither would either scenario speak to the identity of a missile launched from the ground. Given a(n entirely speculative) scenario where the Ukraine had fighters on the contact, they could have just been investigating the aircraft, when a missile site on the ground see a large contact with two small escorts, and voila, this has to be our target. (RADAR is no longer 'just a blip')

Agree. That's the highest probably scenario.

 

[juleswin]

I like flying when I sit next to the pilot. Apart from that it's a lottery thing to me, luckily I never win lotteries.

How the hell do you sit anywhere near the pilot on an international flight? Even on small domestic flights, the closest strapped to the seat passenger is sitting at least 3 feet away from the cockpit. I cannot think of how that can be of any comfort to someone scared of dying from a plane crash

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

How the hell do you sit anywhere near the pilot on an international flight? Even on small domestic flights, the closest strapped to the seat passenger is sitting at least 3 feet away from the cockpit. I cannot think of how that can be of any comfort to someone scared of dying from a plane crash

I used to sit in the third seat (there's no flight engineer on MD11's) behind the captain (my father) and co-pilot. Best seat ever. These were usually cargo flights, so lots of freedom. I have only flown a couple times while seated in regular seats. My experience of flying was so good when I was younger that I don't really appreciate commercial flying anymore.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Even if the Ukraine had jets on this contact (the myth of Reagan strikes again? lol), you would not know if it was being predated or escorted, neither would either scenario speak to the identity of a missile launched from the ground. Given a(n entirely speculative) scenario where the Ukraine had fighters on the contact, they could have just been investigating the aircraft, when a missile site on the ground see a large contact with two small escorts, and voila, this has to be our target. (RADAR is no longer 'just a blip')

Yeah, I have not seen any confirmation of Ukrainian fighter escorts. Does anyone have any links confirming them?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Yeah, I have not seen any confirmation of Ukrainian fighter escorts. Does anyone have any links confirming them?

I don't even think they were rumored...I think the gentleman I was responding too got confused with the Reagan stuff.

 

[Danke]

No, Putin has basically nothing to do with this. A group of rebels who happen to like Russia accidentally shoot down a passenger jet that had strayed into hotly contested air space, the shooters having expected some kind of military supply/weapons run from the de facto Ukraine gov. At best they can blame Putin for not telling the separatists to go home sit down and shut up.

And just how the blank do you know?

 

[GunnyFreedom]

And just how the blank do you know?

The judicial application of Occam's Razor and the application of deductive reasoning. Of note, the utter lack of a significant and clear beneficiary.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The judicial application of Occam's Razor and the application of deductive reasoning. Of note, the utter lack of a significant and clear beneficiary.

I would add that we also have some (not completely verified) evidence that the separatists very briefly celebrated shooting down a Ukrainian transport of some kind...

 

[PRB]

The judicial application of Occam's Razor and the application of deductive reasoning. Of note, the utter lack of a significant and clear beneficiary.

I already gave you a clear beneficiary.

ISRAEL IS BOMBING THE SHIT OUT OF GAZA AND NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.

 

[pcosmar]

I would add that we also have some (not completely verified) evidence that the separatists very briefly celebrated shooting down a Ukrainian transport of some kind...

They have in the recent months taken down a few low flying aircraft,, all with shoulder fired AA missiles.

And as yet,,despite all the hype, there is no evidence of it being a missile.. Though it is likely.
And there has been no evidence of where it was fired from (if it was a missile) the ground or air..

Those are all accusations without proof as yet.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

I already gave you a clear beneficiary.

ISRAEL IS BOMBING THE SHIT OUT OF GAZA AND NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.

Nobody ever gives a shit when Israel bombs the shit out of Gaza. Why would they need to infiltrate a war zone, steal an anti aircraft gun, divert a passenger jet without them knowing it, and then shoot that jet down as a distraction from an activity that nobody has ever bothered to care about before?

 

[PRB]

Nobody ever gives a shit when Israel bombs the shit out of Gaza.

Wrong, protesters do, but sometimes people can't if they wanted to, because this time we're too fucking busy looking at who shot down a plane. Coincidental timing.

Why would they need to infiltrate a war zone, steal an anti aircraft gun, divert a passenger jet without them knowing it, and then shoot that jet down as a distraction from an activity that nobody has ever bothered to care about before?

The same reason Russians would, people care more about Gaza than they do about Ukraine. So it's much more likely Israel is benefiting than anybody else in the area.

 

[Dianne]

First thing I read this morning while checking my e mail is a story from Yahoo from a senior Ukranian Officer who said the bodies on the plane were not fresh, as in dead well before the alleged "shoot down" took place.

I called this first on this forum, and I stand by it. This was the missing Malaysian flight from weeks ago. The passengers died from the high altitude and the plane was flown to a facility with cold storage; to be used just for this type of false flag incident to beat the war drums.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Does anyone else find it rather coincidental that "the big bad Rooskies shoot down a civilian airliner" the very moment that Israel starts to really come under severe international scrutiny regarding its actions in Palestine?

I already gave you a clear beneficiary.

ISRAEL IS BOMBING THE SHIT OUT OF GAZA AND NOBODY GIVES A SHIT.

So you guys think Igor Kolomoisky shot down the plane?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

First thing I read this morning while checking my e mail is a story from Yahoo from a senior Ukranian Officer who said the bodies on the plane were not fresh, as in dead well before the alleged "shoot down" took place.

I called this first on this forum, and I stand by it. This was the missing Malaysian flight from weeks ago. The passengers died from the high altitude and the plane was flown to a facility with cold storage; to be used just for this type of false flag incident to beat the war drums.

Don't tell that to all of the dead AIDS researchers.

 

[Zippyjuan]

First thing I read this morning while checking my e mail is a story from Yahoo from a senior Ukranian Officer who said the bodies on the plane were not fresh, as in dead well before the alleged "shoot down" took place.

I called this first on this forum, and I stand by it. This was the missing Malaysian flight from weeks ago. The passengers died from the high altitude and the plane was flown to a facility with cold storage; to be used just for this type of false flag incident to beat the war drums.

Temperatures have been over 80 degrees in the day and lows only near 60 and it has been at least a couple days so yeah, they probably are starting to smell a bit.

http://www.weather.com/weather/today/Donets'k+Ukraine+UPXX0011

 

[Dianne]

Temperatures have been over 80 degrees in the day and lows only near 60 and it has been at least a couple days so yeah, they probably are starting to smell a bit.

http://www.weather.com/weather/today/Donets'k+Ukraine+UPXX0011

The bodies didn't stay there for stays... These were accountings which came in within a couple of hours after the alleged incident. There was no blood in the bodies.

Think what you will, but you don't find coincidence it was the same make, model as the missing aircraft?

 

[Zippyjuan]

Link to claim that there was no blood in the bodies? Were they vampires?

GRABOVO, Ukraine — Incongruously, given that the plane fell from more than 30,000 feet, many of the bodies strewn about in the smoldering wreckage of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 were largely intact. A woman in a black sweater lay on her back, blood streaming from her face, her left arm raised as if signaling someone. Another victim, naked except for a black bra, lay on the field, her gray hair mixing with the green grass, one leg broken and her body torn.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/w...rlines-plane-leaves-trail-of-debris.html?_r=0

Some were burned along with parts of the plane burned and fuel so I am sure it did smell even immediately.

"an acrid smell filled the air".

The people with friends and relatives on the flight will be happy to hear their loved ones are not really dead though.

 

[Danke]

The judicial application of Occam's Razor and the application of deductive reasoning. Of note, the utter lack of a significant and clear beneficiary.

Then that is an opinion, not a definitive statement, as you phrased it.