MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Lawyers for Ron Paul Lawsuit NOTE: Having the lawsuit not up 4 debate

[matt0611]

Is there a summary of whats going on in this thread? Some of us are at work and can't spend an hour to listen to something. (I don't even have audio)

 

[torchbearer]

I just read an article on the suit. I think they can win it by this fact alone, the RNC recieves federal funds to hold its elections/convention, thus making it bound to federal election laws.
In the same way that the private university, Louisiana College, is bound to federal discrimination laws because it recieves federal funding through pell grants and student loans.

summary, an organization is no longer considered private once it recieves federal funding.

if anyone has contact info for the attorneys, i'd love to give them some ideas.

 

[torchbearer]

So, now we are for the government telling a private club/organization how they should be run?

see my post above.

 

[RDM]

I just read an article on the suit. I think they can win it by this fact alone, the RNC recieves federal funds to hold its elections/convention, thus making it bound to federal election laws.
In the same way that the private university, Louisiana College, is bound to federal discrimination laws because it recieves federal funding through pell grants and student loans.

summary, an organization is no longer considered private once it recieves federal funding.

if anyone has contact info for the attorneys, i'd love to give them some ideas.

- Address: Richard Gilbert & Associates, 950 W 17th St Ste C D & E, Santa Ana, CA 92706
- Law School: Western State Univ
- Date of State Bar Admission: 5/31/1979
- Telephone: (714) 667-1038

 

[Zarn Solen]

I mentioned this in another thread. I wasn't sure if it applied or not. Glad I wasn't the only one thinking it.

Edit: @Torchbearer

 

[TheGrinch]

I'm not saying don't do it. Go nuts and have fun if you think it's going to make you feel better or somehow, against astronomical odds, make Ron become POTUS.

While I'm with him on not taking fraud and disenfranchisement lightly, I'm with you on this about tempering expectations that this might somehow magically put us over the top. I don't think that's at all likely, so I hope that most people here view this as serving and publicizing justice (and maybe making the Tampa convention a little more interesting), but not an invitation to cause a most likely futile and damaging ruckus that goes against Ron's wishes.

I really don't like that they're stating getting Dr. Paul the nomination as a primary goal. If that were the result of unbounding delegates and exposing the corruption, then fine, but they should not be getting people's hopes up for another big letdown (and subsequent shitstorm here).

 

[torchbearer]

- Address: Richard Gilbert & Associates, 950 W 17th St Ste C D & E, Santa Ana, CA 92706
- Law School: Western State Univ
- Date of State Bar Admission: 5/31/1979
- Telephone: (714) 667-1038

email?


do they have a number for the suit so i can include it for reference?

 

[torchbearer]

I mentioned this in another thread. I wasn't sure if it applied or not. Glad I wasn't the only one thinking it.

Edit: @Torchbearer

well the Louisiana College example actually has a previous case attached to it which it makes it very important for this case.
they can show how courts have ruled in the past on this topic.

Louisiana College, many years ago, had a campus rule prohibiting interracial dating/relationships. this rule was overturned by the courts as they sited that since L.C. recieved federal funding it had to abide by federal rules regarding discrimination.

 

[SilenceDewgooder]

Contract enforcement in the loose sense, kind of like false advertising... I do not think that an actual contract is required for the participant, it has to do with the written rules that have been laid out by those in charge... Particularly when you have people pay to join, then just like advertising, sales, anything, you're bound to not misrepresent your product or service, under penalty of law... I mean, companies can't sell soda as fruit juice can they? Same thing in my view.

Moreover, when it comes to something having to do with the election process, you should expect that they should be bound to doing what they say they're going to do. Not to say the courts will agree, but they should...

In short, a contract, whether verbal or in writing, is a legally binding agreement enforceable in a court of law. However, not all agreements between two parties are legally binding contracts. For it to be considered a valid contract, certain elements must exist.

- An Offer
- Acceptance
- Consideration

Subfactors - competence (may be an issue ), consent and legality

 

[Elwar]

Is there a summary of whats going on in this thread? Some of us are at work and can't spend an hour to listen to something. (I don't even have audio)

In summary. You are lazy.

Not my opinion. Just the messenger.

 

[cheapseats]

...publicizing justice (and maybe making the Tampa convention a little more interesting)...

I really don't like that they're stating getting Dr. Paul the nomination as a primary goal. If that were the result of unbounding delegates and exposing the corruption, then fine, but they should not be getting people's hopes up for another big letdown (and subsequent shitstorm here).

Ron Paul Supporters SHOULD be able to moderate their OWN expectations by now...or they have learned NOTHING.

Recovery Circuit Wisdom: Expectations are disappointments waiting to happen.

The principled AND the practical reason not to attach this to Ron Paul's candidacy is because, gee whiz, it gives the impression that Justice only becomes an issue whereas it serves Ron Paul and his emotionally/financially invested support.

 

[ChristopherShelley]

So, now we are for the government telling a private club/organization how they should be run?

No we're telling a private club that is the government that we run it.

 

[Elwar]

So, now we are for the government telling a private club/organization how they should be run?

That private organization has already set up contractual rules and agreements with its members.

When that private organization violates those agreements, it is the right of those members to seek justice through the court system.

 

[FSP-Rebel]

That private organization has already set up contractual rules and agreements with its members.

When that private organization violates those agreements, it is the right of those members to seek justice through the court system.

Bam!

 

[jay_dub]

While I'm with him on not taking fraud and disenfranchisement lightly, I'm with you on this about tempering expectations that this might somehow magically put us over the top. I don't think that's at all likely, so I hope that most people here view this as serving and publicizing justice (and maybe making the Tampa convention a little more interesting), but not an invitation to cause a most likely futile and damaging ruckus that goes against Ron's wishes.

I really don't like that they're stating getting Dr. Paul the nomination as a primary goal. If that were the result of unbounding delegates and exposing the corruption, then fine, but they should not be getting people's hopes up for another big letdown (and subsequent shitstorm here).

I think you have to take some of what the attorney said as bluster. Nothing wrong with it....it shows confidence, but we shouldn't see that outcome as inevitable. We still have work to do and it's still a long shot. The work ahead does seem a little less futile, though.

I don't think this will lead to a convention ruckus. In fact, it may serve to prevent one as this will be seen as well....having our day in court.

The benefit I see to this is that we all...and I mean all Americans, may see a more fair process in the future from all this. It does no good to wake people up if the process is rigged.

Kind of OT, but I just finished watching "The Last Samurai" for the second time. Very inspiring...the parallels to our struggle are obvious.

 

[ChristopherShelley]

Take your opportunities as far as they will go. If it doesn't work, on to the next. There's no point in standing around picking scabs.

 

[jay_dub]

well the Louisiana College example actually has a previous case attached to it which it makes it very important for this case.
they can show how courts have ruled in the past on this topic.

Louisiana College, many years ago, had a campus rule prohibiting interracial dating/relationships. this rule was overturned by the courts as they sited that since L.C. recieved federal funding it had to abide by federal rules regarding discrimination.

Prior rulings must be given weight in decisions. The same basis (Federal funding) is why schools must comply with No Child Left Behind, though it has largely been a failure.

Really, on just a common sense basis, it's absurd to think a wholly private entity could conduct a public election.

 

[freedomordeath]

TO ALL THE NAYSAYERS AND DOOMSAYERS... this is important not from simply making sure cheating bastards are brought to justice, but also for the future to make sure they don't try this rubbish again. Also Ron and family might be held at gun point for all we know and powerless to do anything, so we DOING THE RIGHT THING, always prosecute the fraud, its like watching someone steal a grannies handbag and sitting back and saying, I don't think Ron Paul would aprove of us running after robber... yeah whatever dude.

ALSO WE NEED A RALLY CRY TO GATHER THE TROOPS, THIS IS IT, THIS IS CALLED NOT GIVING UP FIGHT TIL THE END, WAIT TILL THE PRESS PICK THIS UP THEN POEPLE WILL START GETTING INVOLVED AGAIN.

 

[Barrex]

Since I am from Croatia and some people remind me on that when I get involved, in effort to avoid any "bad feelings" can someone else start "OFFICIAL THREAD" and update OP from time to time so that discussion is concentrated and all information can be found on 1 place? Here are all relevant informations so far:

Twitter feed:
USA_Patriot_Press ‏@USA_Free_Press

All legal documents that have been filed with the Ninth Circuit Court are now available for perusal.

Here's the links:

http://www.toolsforjustice.com/3_CER...(JPRx).pdf

http://www.toolsforjustice.com/1_COM...(JPRx).pdf

http://www.toolsforjustice.com/3_CER...(JPRx).pdf

http://www.toolsforjustice.com/4_NOT...(JPRx).pdf

http://www.toolsforjustice.com/5_NOT...(JPRx).pdf
Latest letter to Reince Priebus:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/1P4j...XeTr2QbA_m479Q-FIGgVKaX1vX8F4zVwtT/edit?pli=1


Case Number SACV 12-00927

- Address: Richard Gilbert & Associates, 950 W 17th St Ste C D & E, Santa Ana, CA 92706
- Law School: Western State Univ
- Date of State Bar Admission: 5/31/1979
- Telephone: (714) 667-1038

http://www.gilbertandmarlowe.com/dynamicattorneys.htm

Laws tied with this case:

Title 42 USC Section 1971:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1971

Title 42 USC Section 1983:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1983

11 CFR 100.2 - Election (2 U.S.C. 431(1))
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/100.2

47 CFR 64.803 – Definitions
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/64.803

Morse v. Republican Party of Va. - 517 U.S. 186 (1995)
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/517/186


Here's what PACER is showing so far (pertinent text):
8:12-cv-00927-DOC-JPR Delegates to the Republican National Convention et al v. Republican National Committee et al
David O. Carter, presiding
Jean P Rosenbluth, referral
Date filed: 06/11/2012
Date of last filing: 06/11/2012

Cause: 28:1343 Violation of Civil Rights
Docket report:
Date Filed # Docket Text
06/11/2012 1 COMPLAINT against all Defendants. Case assigned to Judge David O. Carter for all further proceedings. Discovery referred to Magistrate Judge Jean P. Rosenbluth.(Filing fee $350 Paid). Filed by all Plaintiffs.(lwag) (Additional attachment(s) added on 6/12/2012: # 1 Part 2) (lwag). (Entered: 06/12/2012)
06/11/2012 2 CERTIFICATION and Notice of Interested Parties filed by all Plaintiffs. (lwag) (lwag). (Entered: 06/12/2012)
06/11/2012 3 NOTICE TO PARTIES OF COURT-DIRECTED ADR PROGRAM filed.(lwag) (Entered: 06/12/2012)
06/11/2012 21 DAY Summons Issued re Complaint - (Discovery) 1 as to all Defendants. (lwag) (Entered: 06/12/2012)

ElectionFraudRemedy.com
http://wtpnetwork.com/

A group of attorneys have come together – “LAWYERS FOR RON PAUL” (https://www.facebook.com/groups/188334154612254/)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/188334154612254/members/
(WELCOME NEW MEMBERS! This group is STRICTLY FOR vote/delegate/election fraud reporting and remedies and related discussions. Off-topic posts will be deleted.)


Interview with people who are in charge:
http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/audioPop.jsp?episodeId=635553&cmd=apop

http://player.vimeo.com/video/44236240
(it wouldnt be bad if someone would download it so we can have backup. That goes for documents too.)

Quote from that interview :
I wanna be very clear that I am accusing the Romney campaign of organized criminal acts. That includes: altering ballots, rigging voting machines etc.

FAQ:
[video=youtube;MPt2nlyfmfc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MPt2nlyfmfc[/video]


FOR THOSE WHO DONT KNOW WHAT RON THINKS ABOUT THIS:
(listen to 0:43 )
[video=youtube;TtHiA7TJUV0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TtHiA7TJUV0#![/video]
When Ron Paul was asked about election fraud:"I think they have but i dont have the proof:Nevada there is pretty good evidence. I have heard so many stories about how the votes get manipulated but as far as evidence goes and as far as try to prove anything I am having another things to worry about. I am trying to stop another war with Iran now than pursuing that. I WISH SOME PEOPLE WOULD. THE ONES THAT KNOW ABOUT IT. THEY OUGHT TO PURSUE THIS AND THEN SEE IF THEY CAN, WHATEVER THEY CAN DOCUMENT"



Injustice and corruption anywhere harms everyone and everywhere.

I think I'm going to visit this guy...after all, near me. We just really don't need the crazies approaching him...This man is not lesser of 2 evil. This man is evil.

You mean "our" lawyer and not judge? Right?

Maybe it would be better to collect some questions from this forum and then go to them and ask them how people here can help.


*Can someone point out my grammar mistakes in my unusually long first sentence(question)?

 

[ScrambleLight]

-1 for being obnoxious.