MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Lawyers for Ron Paul Lawsuit NOTE: Having the lawsuit not up 4 debate

[jemuf]

Noted.

The movement operates more effectively when we don't commit 10,000 man-hours to listening to a call that can be summed up in a few sentences.

Amen! What the hell is wrong with RDM?


I'm listening to the audio. So far the announcement to take over the campaign occured between the 5:35 and 6:50 minute marks.

Yep I found the conference call hard to listen to; I made it 1/2 way. The most common phrases are "uh..", "and..", "and, and...", "Oh, thank you for listening to our show. This is WTPN Network...."

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Since I am from Croatia and some people remind me on that when I get involved, in effort to avoid any "bad feelings" can someone else start "OFFICIAL THREAD" and update OP from time to time so that discussion is concentrated and all information can be found on 1 place? Here are all relevant informations so far:



All legal documents that have been filed with the Ninth Circuit Court are now available for perusal.

Here's the links:

http://www.toolsforjustice.com/3_CER...(JPRx).pdf

http://www.toolsforjustice.com/1_COM...(JPRx).pdf

http://www.toolsforjustice.com/3_CER...(JPRx).pdf

http://www.toolsforjustice.com/4_NOT...(JPRx).pdf

http://www.toolsforjustice.com/5_NOT...(JPRx).pdf


Case Number SACV 12-00927

- Address: Richard Gilbert & Associates, 950 W 17th St Ste C D & E, Santa Ana, CA 92706
- Law School: Western State Univ
- Date of State Bar Admission: 5/31/1979
- Telephone: (714) 667-1038

http://www.gilbertandmarlowe.com/dynamicattorneys.htm

Laws tied with this case:

Title 42 USC Section 1971:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1971

Title 42 USC Section 1983:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/1983

11 CFR 100.2 - Election (2 U.S.C. 431(1))
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/11/100.2

47 CFR 64.803 – Definitions
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/64.803

Morse v. Republican Party of Va. - 517 U.S. 186 (1995)
http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/517/186


Here's what PACER is showing so far (pertinent text):
8:12-cv-00927-DOC-JPR Delegates to the Republican National Convention et al v. Republican National Committee et al
David O. Carter, presiding
Jean P Rosenbluth, referral
Date filed: 06/11/2012
Date of last filing: 06/11/2012

Cause: 28:1343 Violation of Civil Rights
Docket report:
Date Filed # Docket Text
06/11/2012 1 COMPLAINT against all Defendants. Case assigned to Judge David O. Carter for all further proceedings. Discovery referred to Magistrate Judge Jean P. Rosenbluth.(Filing fee $350 Paid). Filed by all Plaintiffs.(lwag) (Additional attachment(s) added on 6/12/2012: # 1 Part 2) (lwag). (Entered: 06/12/2012)
06/11/2012 2 CERTIFICATION and Notice of Interested Parties filed by all Plaintiffs. (lwag) (lwag). (Entered: 06/12/2012)
06/11/2012 3 NOTICE TO PARTIES OF COURT-DIRECTED ADR PROGRAM filed.(lwag) (Entered: 06/12/2012)
06/11/2012 21 DAY Summons Issued re Complaint - (Discovery) 1 as to all Defendants. (lwag) (Entered: 06/12/2012)

ElectionFraudRemedy.com
http://wtpnetwork.com/

A group of attorneys have come together – “LAWYERS FOR RON PAUL” (https://www.facebook.com/groups/188334154612254/)

https://www.facebook.com/groups/188334154612254/members/
(WELCOME NEW MEMBERS! This group is STRICTLY FOR vote/delegate/election fraud reporting and remedies and related discussions. Off-topic posts will be deleted.)


Interview with people who are in charge:
http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/audioPop.jsp?episodeId=635553&cmd=apop
(it wouldnt be bad if someone would download it so we can have backup. That goes for documents too.)



FAQ:



FOR THOSE WHO DONT KNOW WHAT RON THINKS ABOUT THIS:
(listen to 0:43 )

When Ron Paul was asked about election fraud:"I think they have but i dont have the proof:Nevada there is pretty good evidence. I have heard so many stories about how the votes get manipulated but as far as evidence goes and as far as try to prove anything I am having another things to worry about. I am trying to stop another war with Iran now than pursuing that. I WISH SOME PEOPLE WOULD. THE ONES THAT KNOW ABOUT IT. THEY OUGHT TO PURSUE THIS AND THEN SEE IF THEY CAN, WHATEVER THEY CAN DOCUMENT"



Injustice and corruption anywhere harms everyone and everywhere.



You mean "our" lawyer and not judge? Right?

Maybe it would be better to collect some questions from this forum and then go to them and ask them how people here can help.


*Can someone point out my grammar mistakes in my unusually long first sentence(question)?

Thank you, Barrex.

 

[KingNothing]

No we're telling a private club that is the government that we run it.

No. This is not true. We are telling them to abide by contracts.

 

[KingNothing]

TO ALL THE NAYSAYERS AND DOOMSAYERS... this is important not from simply making sure cheating bastards are brought to justice, but also for the future to make sure they don't try this rubbish again. Also Ron and family might be held at gun point for all we know and powerless to do anything, so we DOING THE RIGHT THING, always prosecute the fraud, its like watching someone steal a grannies handbag and sitting back and saying, I don't think Ron Paul would aprove of us running after robber... yeah whatever dude.

ALSO WE NEED A RALLY CRY TO GATHER THE TROOPS, THIS IS IT, THIS IS CALLED NOT GIVING UP FIGHT TIL THE END, WAIT TILL THE PRESS PICK THIS UP THEN POEPLE WILL START GETTING INVOLVED AGAIN.

I mostly disagree with this entire premise. We don't need a rally cry. And there is no "end" to fight up to.

This is constant. We have to patiently preach liberty, push politicians who will work on our behalf and do our best to unseat those who won't. There is no climactic final battle. There's just the next opportunity and the next obstacle. Leave the drama, bombast, and unseemly emotion out of this. Proceed thoughtfully, optimistically and methodically. That's how win --- intelligence and persistence.

 

[No1butPaul]

It seems the MSM isn't going to pick this up and how can they really since they would be opening a can of worms for themselves because of their failure to report on a single allegation of fraud. Their lightening quick responses to certain campaign announcements prove they are aware, but just failing to report. To the extent it is possible, I hope there is an indictment of the media for collusion with the criminal deeds of the RNC and others during the RICO phase of litigation.

 

[freedomordeath]

This is constant. We have to patiently preach liberty, push politicians who will work on our behalf and do our best to unseat those who won't. There is no climactic final battle. There's just the next opportunity and the next obstacle. Leave the drama, bombast, and unseemly emotion out of this. Proceed thoughtfully, optimistically and methodically. That's how win --- intelligence and persistence.

yes everything you say is true, BUT TAMPA CONVENTIONS DON'T COME AROUND ALL THAT OFTEN, we still in a race remember and when runers are getting tired, fatigued we need that kick up the backside to getting poeple running again. I even heard of delgates that have siad they not going anymore THATS HOW HOW FCKED UP THIS SITUATION IS, your argument goes out the window if delgates we worked so hard for don't even pitch for the convention. We need good news to get morale up ahead of TAMPA, we NEED TO FINISH THE RACE LIKE THE GOOD DOCTOR TOLD US TO. We'll do all the slow patient team building after the convention, but TAMPA IS WHERE ITS AT THE MOMENT.. we need to start running towards the end, MANY RUN TO WIN not matter how unlikely the win is.

 

[ChristopherShelley]

No. This is not true. We are telling them to abide by contracts.

Yeah, ok. Sorry, I was just shooting my mouth off. Too much coffee.

The point is we need to defend the rights of the delegates. If it is their legal right to vote for whom they choose then that is the f ing law, as well as just common gd sense.

So define it however you want. Stick to the point. We need to take this shit over. I'm tired of this bullshit.

 

[Carlybee]

So are Lawyers for Ron Paul employed by Ron Paul? The name is throwing me and I havent had time to read all of this.

 

[soulcyon]

So are Lawyers for Ron Paul employed by Ron Paul? The name is throwing me and I havent had time to read all of this.

Just like this Forum, they are supporters of Ron Paul but they are not paid by Ron Paul or employed by him.

I'm also sure they are trying to 'take over' the official Ron Paul Campaign.

 

[RDM]

A message from Attorney Richard Gilbert as posted on the Lawyers for Ron Paul FB page:

I have received hundreds of e mails of support. Thank you. For those of you who wish to keep up with the lawsuit and my views you are welcome to join me at my twitter account @USA_Free_Press I and my twitter followers who are more than 300,000 Ron Paul supporters started preparing the strategy for the lawsuit last November. We believed the Campaign would file the case. When it became obvious the Campaign was not going to help the Delegates who were being systematically attacked, beaten, and subjected to fraud, State after State, we made the decision to file the case on our own. By fate I met the team at ToolsForJustice.com who have been an enormous and indispensible help. Together we formed a legal team to go forward. Jerry, David, and Hope are true Ron Paul volunteers taking real action to seek victory in Tampa.
Bonnie, Nicky and others have done a beautiful job creating this facebook room and maintaining it.
Yesterday some people, just a few, started behaving like the anonymous people on Daily Paul.
As you can see from my tweets to my 300,000 Ron Paul readers on Twitter below, those few from yesterday have a serious comprehension problem. @USA_Free_Press is where you can find me.

USA_Patriot_Press@USA_Free_Press

We will make every effort to convince Doug Wead to join the new campaign

 

[Indy Vidual]

...

Edit: To sum it up, their goal is to have every delegate unbound, which will effectively mean no candidate can claim any delegates going in to the convention.

Freedom!

 

[zachrbroussard]

Can we get an updated OP with the summation and other important information?

 

[Indy Vidual]

http://www.californiality.com/2012/06/ron-paul-civil-rights-lawsuit.html

'Lawyers for Ron Paul' has filed a federal civil rights lawsuit in California against the Republican National Committee and state GOP chapters for alleged voting rights violations, election fraud and other misconduct at GOP primaries and caucuses in 2012.

In the bombshell lawsuit, the group claims "overwhelming evidence" that the voting rights of Ron Paul Republican delegates and other voters were violated by "nearly every state GOP party and the RNC during the 2012 primary election phase, with utter and blatant disregard for any rule of law."

Other groups are reportedly lining up to join the coalition of lawyers, paralegals, and concerned citizens who filed the civil lawsuit against the GOP.

Case Number SACV 12-00927 was filed at the Ronald Reagan Courthouse in Santa Ana, California, Ninth Federal Circuit. Judge Carter is said to be assigned to the case.

The plaintiff group wants court action to protect delegates attending the 2012 Republican National Convention in Tampa this August, regardless of which presidential candidate each delegate intends to vote for.




Immediately, the petitioning group seeks a federal injunction clarifying that all GOP delegates can vote their conscience at the national convention, unbound."The pattern of abuse is guaranteed to get worse, to the extent that the delegates who attend the national convention will be subjecting themselves to legal and/or physical peril," said the group of attorneys who filed the lawsuit citing actions by the GOP as having "devolved into those of an organized criminal enterprise."

In addition to the civil rights lawsuit, the group also intends to file a RICO lawsuit to expose widespread election fraud and abuse across the nation.

Great numbers of Ron Paul supporters are quickly uniting behind the unprecedented federal lawsuit, as they believe that Congressman Ron Paul has been blatantly cheated out of a potential victory.

All legal services provided for all plaintiffs in the suit are pro bono, provided by Lawyers for Ron Paul. The following lawsuit FAQ video explains the federal civil rights lawsuit against the GOP in extended detail, including instructions on how to participate in the legal action.

Hope for America.

 

[devil21]

Sure wish people would notate the case number correctly. Searching PACER with case number "SACV 12-00927" will not return any case information, because it's wrong. The actual case number is "8:12-CV-00927".

 

[tlw]

I am listening to it right now (still have 4 min left) and in a nutshell, lawyers for Ron Paul want to make sure every delegate at the National Convention can vote for whoever they want on the first vote. They also have over 100 criminal cases built up against Romney campaign/RNC.

 

[KerriAnn]

//

 

[No1butPaul]

OK by me...we will defeat Obama if given the chance.

Excuse me ... when given the chance.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

It seems like the NEW meme on these forums as of late is: This movement is bigger and much more important than Ron Paul

Ron is responsible for that one anyway, circa 2007.

 

[MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2]

Is there a summary of whats going on in this thread? Some of us are at work and can't spend an hour to listen to something. (I don't even have audio)

lol. The first 7 pages were fighting about whether every person must listen to a one hour conference call to see what was said and decide inportance. It gets fuzzy after that. But someone in there, did provide a mini-summary finally.

 

[RDM]

Thought this was interesting:
While digging around the internet about the lawyers who started this lawsuit, I found some info about David Callahan.
According to wikipedia, he is the co-founder of a US think tank named "Demos", and guess who was a board member of that same small group? Obama!

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demos_(U.S._think_tank):

In the late 1990s, Demos was conceptualized by Charles Halpern, President of the Nathan Cummings Foundation (1989–2000). Halpern wanted to create a counter-argument to the growing influence of the many right-wing think tanks and establish a multi-issue organization that would focus on progressive policy development and advocacy. David Callahan, a Fellow at the Century Foundation, and Stephen Heintz, Vice-President of the EastWest Institute, joined Halpern in helping to found Demos. Founding Board members included Arnie Miller, of Isaccson Miller, an executive search firm; David Skaggs, a Colorado Congressman; and Barack Obama, an Illinois State Senator.



interesting.

It would be interesting if the David Calihan that is working with the Lawyers for Ron Paul were the David Callahan you are referencing.