MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Lawyers for Ron Paul Lawsuit NOTE: Having the lawsuit not up 4 debate

[ord33]

And thusly, a possible motive for his actions in this case has been identified.

Mr. Gilbert, based on recent tweets, does appear to be losing hope of this all working out in time. It's unclear what his plan is at this point besides just waiting for the judge.

It appears he is doing everything he can under the law to expedite the case. In his most recent document it states:

"Subsection (e) of the Voting Rights Act provides guidance that the case should be expedited. The salient part of subsection (e) reads as follows:
"An application for an order pursuant to this subsection shall be heard within ten days, and the execution of any order disposing of such application shall not by stayed if the effect of such stay would be to delay the effectiveness of the order beyond the date of any election at which the applicant would otherwise be enabled to vote."

So it appears at this time, he is certainly trying to get it moved on as quick as possible. He is just at the mercy somewhat of the courts. I'd have to think that they'd be more likely to take closer to the ten days rather than the about 3 days we would have remaining.

 

[ChristopherShelley]

It appears he is doing everything he can under the law to expedite the case. In his most recent document it states:

"Subsection (e) of the Voting Rights Act provides guidance that the case should be expedited. The salient part of subsection (e) reads as follows:
"An application for an order pursuant to this subsection shall be heard within ten days, and the execution of any order disposing of such application shall not by stayed if the effect of such stay would be to delay the effectiveness of the order beyond the date of any election at which the applicant would otherwise be enabled to vote."

So it appears at this time, he is certainly trying to get it moved on as quick as possible. He is just at the mercy somewhat of the courts. I'd have to think that they'd be more likely to take closer to the ten days rather than the about 3 days we would have remaining.

You'd think with all of the legal experts we have on this board we would be able to take on the RNC ourselves.

Yet somehow, so many of these experts gave their analysis here in this thread and did nothing else.

I sure hope you guy(s) get together sometime and take on the injustices that our delegates suffered, and do it with as much passion as you had when you criticized this case (and babbled on about whatever other irrelevant stuff that came to mind, i.e. Richard Gilbert's appearance, his taste in music, or whatever).

Seems like so many of these people had so much time on their hands.

I don't like to waste time, mine or other people's.

I find it to be insincere.

 

[Barrex]

I am in that group too


All these information and we still dont know anything conclusive... Did someone gave up on 5 states to give Ron Paul nomination from the floor and 15 minute unedited speech?

I was always saying that we dont have 5 states secured even if we did win them fair and square....but I never imagined that someone from our own ranks would take them away in some sort of a deal... It is still unknown what is going on. All we know is that something is going on....

 

[MarcusI]

The deal with the Maine delegates was made at 9:45 PM. Jus' sayin.

Which deal?

 

[JK/SEA]

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[libertylastchance]

I'd rather we didn't just guess. I don't know how much Ron has turned this over to others or what he has been told. I have faith in Ron and I support our delegates, regardless of their decision regarding this suit. The are the ones who have to make the judgment calls.

Agreed, I trust Ron Paul.. there is no connection of events being tied to the lawsuit of RG and what the lawyers for Ron Paul are doing.. nor should there be a bashing of our delegates. What is going on with the RNC and the delegates is a stand alone issue and we need to support our delegate.

 

[libertylastchance]

Which deal?

By Ben Swann
An interesting development in the RNC delegate battle. The RNC/Romney campaign have been telling delegates in Maine that rather than viewing Maine as a stand alone state.. they are viewing delegates from Maine, Masschusetts, Oregon and Louisiana as a block.
Last night at 9:45 the Maine delegates were offered a deal.
Give Romney 7 slots in Maine and in return the RNC would seat 9 of the Massachusetts 17, the entire Oregon delegation and nearly all of the Lousiana delegates. As of late this afternoon the discussion was on-going but I have seen an update out of Louisiana that a number of liberty delegates WILL BE SEATED.
MORE TO COME

 

[cajuncocoa]

By Ben Swann
An interesting development in the RNC delegate battle. The RNC/Romney campaign have been telling delegates in Maine that rather than viewing Maine as a stand alone state.. they are viewing delegates from Maine, Masschusetts, Oregon and Louisiana as a block.
Last night at 9:45 the Maine delegates were offered a deal.
Give Romney 7 slots in Maine and in return the RNC would seat 9 of the Massachusetts 17, the entire Oregon delegation and nearly all of the Lousiana delegates. As of late this afternoon the discussion was on-going but I have seen an update out of Louisiana that a number of liberty delegates WILL BE SEATED.
MORE TO COME

17 of 46 delegates in Louisiana is not "nearly all"...I think torchbearer said we are supposed to have 27. That's only a little more than half of what we're supposed to have.

 

[DGambler]

That deal makes me sick and it makes me sick that we're capitulation to the RNC.

 

[cajuncocoa]

This is bullshit.

"I think it's a huge win for our campaign because it showed what happened in Louisiana was wrong," (RP campaign chair for Louisiana, Charlie) Davis said by phone from Tampa. "It's been a long uphill battle, but the overwhelming evidence was on our side."

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Source: http://reason.com/blog/2012/08/21/ron-paul-delegate-deals-reached-report-c

 

[sailingaway]

Which deal?

Last I heard Maine was not yet settled and they are saying they won't give anything. That was late last night (early morning EST I think).

 

[sailingaway]

17 of 46 delegates in Louisiana is not "nearly all"...I think torchbearer said we are supposed to have 27. That's only a little more than half of what we're supposed to have.

the point is we are supposed to have the MAJORITY, that is what counts in nominating Ron AND in bringing other motions before the assembly to do business generally.

 

[cajuncocoa]

the point is we are supposed to have the MAJORITY, that is what counts in nominating Ron AND in bringing other motions before the assembly to do business generally.

Yes, I know...that's what the RNC is trying to avoid. I understand what the RNC gets out of it, but I don't understand what WE get out of it. The campaign should never, never have agreed to this.

Is it possible that Ron no longer wants to be nominated from the floor??

 

[RonRules]

After the convention, I will start a new thread entitled: "The BIG lie".

Hope you like it.

 

[sailingaway]

Yes, I know...that's what the RNC is trying to avoid. I understand what the RNC gets out of it, but I don't understand what WE get out of it. The campaign should never, never have agreed to this.

Is it possible that Ron no longer wants to be nominated from the floor??

I think it is possible someone on his own team has convinced him he can't be, but no, he really wanted that speech and for the people to be able to pick. Why would that change?

 

[LibertyEagle]

I think it is possible someone on his own team has convinced him he can't be, but no, he really wanted that speech and for the people to be able to pick. Why would that change?

I don't suppose you have a verifiable source for that claim, do you?

 

[sailingaway]

I don't suppose you have a verifiable source for that claim, do you?

did you see the word 'think'? and 'possible'?

Perhaps you think it is impossible.

 

[LibertyEagle]

did you see the word 'think'? and 'possible'?

Perhaps you think it is impossible.

Anything is possible. But, you have repeated that claim almost like some kind of mantra. It's like you want everyone to believe that the campaign is some kind of sinister force and poor Dr. Paul doesn't know anything about it. We have no proof of that. Certainly not at this point.
What is to be gained by furthering this? The truth will come out in the end. How does jumping to conclusions at this point in time serve us?

And then there are these:

+ Positive energy should be used with content relating towards the achievement of our Mission Statement. Negative content should be approached with the goal of finding constructive solutions to existing problems.
+ Controversial informational claims should include a verifiable source of the information or note that the information is "unverified".

 

[cajuncocoa]

Anything is possible. But, you have repeated that claim almost like some kind of mantra. It's like you want everyone to believe that the campaign is some kind of sinister force and poor Dr. Paul doesn't know anything about it. We have no proof of that. Certainly not at this point.
What is to be gained by furthering this? The truth will come out in the end. How does jumping to conclusions at this point in time serve us?

Well, LE, look at everything that's transpired. 2+2 still equals 4!! I hate to bring up the newsletters, but this wouldn't be the first time someone has done something in Ron Paul's name that he was not aware of.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Well, LE, look at everything that's transpired. 2+2 still equals 4!! I hate to bring up the newsletters, but this wouldn't be the first time someone has done something in Ron Paul's name that he was not aware of.

I know, Cajun, but that kind of thing is typical with newsletters and I would imagine he learned from that too. You cannot believe that Ron isn't aware of what is going on with the delegates.

This whole blame game isn't doing anything to help us do what we need to get done. There will be plenty of time to do that later on, if need be. But, I will tell you one thing, the truth is usually not nearly as interesting as what people have dreamed up. Remember that whole thing about C4L and that candidate in Colorado? Remember the meltdown with so many people calling for heads to roll and that C4L had hid it from Dr. Paul and that they were all traitors? Oh, and the belief that our donations were used for the ad? We wanted to blast out to the entire world what we BELIEVED was going on. People were pissed off.

And then the truth came out when Dr. Paul called Michael Nystrom. NONE of what we thought was true. Not a bit of it.

These things take their toll on not only those of us involved, but the movement as a whole.

There will be a time for this. When we have all the facts. We do not have them now.