MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Lawyers for Ron Paul Lawsuit NOTE: Having the lawsuit not up 4 debate

All that may be true....BUT...we (Louisiana) had a caucus on April 28. I, and many other voters like me, voted for Ron Paul delegates. Ron Paul delegates won.

Others attended an infamous convention in Shreveport in June. The delegates chose someone other than Roger Villere to head the LAGOP, a Ron Paul supporter who was later assaulted. We were due even more delegates from that convention as I understand it.

I am fighting to have my vote count. I may even pursue this as a legal matter if those delegates don't get seated. IMO, that is an issue that is bigger than Ron Paul or even the whole Liberty Movement. Maybe they think they can just come along and wipe out the whole election process and do what they want. Maybe they can, but I'm not going to stop fighting until all resources are exhausted. Got it?
I hoe you do if that's what it takes. Never let them push us out or make us give up. I'd think one of the main goals of the LA liberty contingent would be to make an example out of Villere at the next state convention. We did the same thing with our former state chair up here in MI who wanted Ron outta the debates last time around. He got his ass handed to him in the race for national committeeman last may and was beat by a guy that eventually endorsed Bentivolio BEFORE the primary.
 
The most troubling thing about this movement is that so many people live and die on every single "battle" -- everything is Apocalyptic. "THIS IS IT! WE MAKE A STAND HERE! WE WILL WIN THIS, THEN WIN THE NOMINATION! BEEYYYAAAAH!"

That's just not how this is going to shakeout, and it isn't how it should shakeout. This -"this" being the Liberty movement- is going to take our entire lives to resolve; certainly it will take longer than one man's presidential campaign.

Sure, fine, pursue legal action where possible. Fight everywhere you can. There's nothing wrong with that. But getting so dejected and depressed that you create absurd conspiracy theories or rush to place blame on anyone other than the RNC and neocons is fruitless. It's just silly.

Ok, sounds like you know exactly what you want to do. Why are you wasting your time in this thread not taking your own advice?

Go spread liberty
 
Hey, someone who has PACER access, see if you can find this:

PROCEEDINGS: (IN CHAMBERS): ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE WHY THIS
CASE SHOULD NOT BE DISMISSED FOR FAILURE TO STATE A CLAIM AND
DISCHARGING PRIOR ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE
This Court previously ordered Plaintiffs to show cause why this Court should not construe Plaintiffs’ notice of appeal as a desire to stand upon the First Amended Complaint and treat the August 7, 2012, Order as a final judgment divesting this Court of jurisdiction.
See August 20, 2012, Order (Dkt. 43). As the Court explained, Plaintiffs “cannot pursue an appeal from the Court’s order and simultaneously treat this matter as ongoing by filing [a] second amended complaint.” Id. (quoting Ingram v. Warden, CIV.A. 10-4151 NLH, 2011 WL 318300, *1 (D.N.J. Jan. 24, 2011)).

In their Response, Plaintiffs state that they did not intend to file an appeal and, instead, they wish to continue to litigate with the Second Amended Complaint as the operative pleading. See Response (Dkt. 44). Thus, the Court DISCHARGES the August 20, 2012, Order to Show Cause and will treat the Second Amended Complaint as the
operative pleading.

Because Plaintiffs maintain that they have not filed an appeal, the Court retains jurisdiction to rule on Plaintiffs’ Second Ex Parte Application (Dkt. 37). The Court DENIES the Ex Parte Application.

However, in the spirit of Plaintiffs’ Ex Parte Application, this Court will seek to expedite the resolution of this case. “Something labeled a complaint but written more as a press release, prolix in evidentiary detail, yet without simplicity, conciseness and clarity
as to whom plaintiffs are suing for what wrongs, fails to perform the essential functions of a complaint.”
McHenry v. Renne, 84 F.3d 1172, 1179-80 (9th Cir. 1996) (upholding dismissal for “failure to say which wrongs were committed by which defendants”). Here, the Court dismissed Plaintiffs’ First Amended Complaint because the vast majority of the pleadings were unintelligible and Plaintiffs’ sole intelligible allegations failed to state a claim. In Plaintiffs’ Second Amended Complaint, they appear to have removed all
factual pleadings and instead request an impermissible advisory opinion from this Court about the scope of the Voting Rights Act. U.S. Nat. Bank of Oregon v. Indep. Ins. Agents of Am., Inc., 508 U.S. 439, 446 (1993) (“[A] federal court [lacks] the power to render
advisory opinions.”).

Thus, the Court ORDERS Plaintiffs to SHOW CAUSE why this case should not be dismissed with prejudice for failure to comply with Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 8, failure to state a claim under Rule 12(b)(6), or for violation of a court order pursuant to Rule 41(b). See Hearns v. San Bernardino Police Dep’t, 530 F.3d 1124, 1131 (9th Cir.
2008) (explaining that a complaint that is so confusing that its “true substance, if any, is well disguised” may be dismissed sua sponte for failure to satisfy Rule 8); Omar v. Sea- Land Serv., Inc., 813 F.2d 986, 991 (9th Cir. 1987) (“A trial court may dismiss a claim
sua sponte under Fed.R.Civ.P. 12(b)(6).”); Nevijel v. N. Coast Life Ins. Co., 651 F.2d 671, 673 (9th Cir.1981) (“A complaint which fails to comply with [Rule 8] may be dismissed with prejudice[.]”).

Plaintiffs shall electronically file a Response on or before August 23, 2012. If Plaintiffs fail to do so, this Court shall dismiss with prejudice. In addition, if Defendants wish to file a Reply to Plaintiffs’ Response, they must do so on or before 1 p.m. on
August 24, 2012.
 
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This is the part that sticks out to me.

Thus, the Court ORDERS Plaintiffs to SHOW CAUSE why this case should not be dismissed with prejudice for failure to comply with Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 8, failure to state a claim under Rule 12(b)(6), or for violation of a court order pursuant to Rule 41(b). See Hearns v. San Bernardino Police Dep’t, 530 F.3d 1124, 1131 (9th Cir.
2008) (explaining that a complaint that is so confusing that its “true substance, if any, is well disguised” may be dismissed sua sponte for failure to satisfy Rule 8); Omar v. Sea- Land Serv., Inc., 813 F.2d 986, 991 (9th Cir. 1987) (“A trial court may dismiss a claim
sua sponte under Fed.R.Civ.P. 12(b)(6).”); Nevijel v. N. Coast Life Ins. Co., 651 F.2d 671, 673 (9th Cir.1981) (“A complaint which fails to comply with [Rule 8] may be dismissed with prejudice[.]”).

Plaintiffs shall electronically file a Response on or before August 23, 2012. If Plaintiffs fail to do so, this Court shall dismiss with prejudice. In addition, if Defendants wish to file a Reply to Plaintiffs’ Response, they must do so on or before 1 p.m. on
August 24, 2012.
 
I have a question, it's off topic so sailing away don't get mad at me... This thread is the one with all the attention so that's why I'm posting the question in it.... Do you guys and gals remember when there was soo much talk about our shadow delegates? And how many we could possibly have??? Do you guys think that it could be possible that they cut that deal in la because we have shadow delegates there that would give us a plurality in that state screwing the GOP over at rnc to give Ron his 5 states?? How awesome would that be??? Anyone thin this Is a real possibility?
 
This is what I thought what would happen.

What Judge Carter is doing is the following:

* Hold the case in his court.
* He believes the case as pleaded is unintelligible (Rule 8), lacks merit (Rule 12(b)(6) and the amendment was in direct defiance of the Court's order (in that it failed to plead sufficient facts).
* He intends to dismiss -- permanently.
* To comply with due process, he is giving Gilbert a chance to file a response (basically a justification) -- but not to amend yet again.

It is over.
 
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This is what I thought what would happen.

What Judge Carter is doing is the following:

* Hold the case in his court.
* He believes the case as pleaded is unintelligible (Rule 8), lacks merit (Rule 12(b)(6) and the amendment was in direct defiance of the Court's order (in that it failed to plead sufficient facts).
* He intends to dismiss -- permanently.
* To comply with due process, he is giving Gilbert a chance to file a response.

I don't think anyone is confused about what he is doing. It is great how you know his thoughts and intentions, though.
 
sailingaway --

I don't have to do any mind-reading. The Judge was crystal clear when he dismissed the complaint before. If you track the rule references, he is being very direct.

And, he spells out his intention. An order to show cause states the Court's intention and gives a party one last chance (for due process) to try and overturn that intent.
 
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It appears our Trial Judge does not wish to Rule on the merits of the case. I expect the Judge to likely dismiss the case on Friday.
 
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It appears our Trial Judge does not wish to Rule on the merits of the case. I expect the Judge to likely dismiss the case on Friday.

he would have to make a case against the technicals of the trial with the appellate court, and i don't see anything proceduraly wrong. dude bet on the wrong horse. big time.
i would contribute to an attorney who will pick up the louisiana case against Villere. i was defrauded, damaged. my qualifying fees were taken under false pretenses of a fair election. crimes have been committed. i think a louisiana chipin could happen for a lawyer capable.
 
he would have to make a case against the technicals of the trial with the appellate court, and i don't see anything proceduraly wrong. dude bet on the wrong horse. big time.
i would contribute to an attorney who will pick up the louisiana case against Villere. i was defrauded, damaged. my qualifying fees were taken under false pretenses of a fair election. crimes have been committed. i think a louisiana chipin could happen for a lawyer capable.

Yeah, I'd really like to see the multistate fraud outed. A RICO suit seems appropriate, actually.
 
There is one new item on Pacer today:

08/22/2012 47 RESPONSE filed by Plaintiffs Alabama Resident Jason Williams, Alabama Resident Michael Ramzy, Alaska Delegate Barbara Andersen, Alaska Delegate Daryl Lanzonto Minutes of In Chambers Order/Directive - no proceeding held, Terminate Hearings, Set/Reset Deadlines,,,,,, 46 (Gilbert, Richard) (Entered: 08/22/2012)

Here's a link to the document. It's a revised version totally different version from the previous response.
https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D150257_4054156_7579656

The end sounds pretty desperate: "In the quiet solemnity of Chambers, Plaintiffs request ...

I don't see anything from the judge.

I don't think we'll see anything from the RNC.
 
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There is one new item on Pacer today:

08/22/2012 47 RESPONSE filed by Plaintiffs Alabama Resident Jason Williams, Alabama Resident Michael Ramzy, Alaska Delegate Barbara Andersen, Alaska Delegate Daryl Lanzonto Minutes of In Chambers Order/Directive - no proceeding held, Terminate Hearings, Set/Reset Deadlines,,,,,, 46 (Gilbert, Richard) (Entered: 08/22/2012)

Here's a link to the document. It's a revised version of the previous response.
https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D150257_4054156_7579656

I don't see anything from the judge.

translate?
 
The problem from the beginning here has been a lack of facts in the complaint, ie. who did what to whom and when and where. Mr. Gilbert failed to give the Judge anything that could be evaluated. Thus, the result. This is simply a failure of following some very basic procedural guidelines.
 
I'm going to give Gilbert a nod. His just filed response to the Court's Order to Show Cause is actually pretty well written. I suspect it is not enough, given the Court's current direction. But, it is somewhat better than what I've seen up to this point.
 
Can't we have a money bomb and do this the right way with a real federal attorney??? As many of you hate Stevet, the guy has been dead fkn accurate as to the holes in the case and what the judge would rule!!!! Sailing away let's put together a money bomb And do this the right way!!!! Gilbert is a jackass he really is and I should of known this the day that he blocked me on twitter simply because I had asked him to look at the ideas in this thread!!!! I'm all in for a money bomb done by a powerful attorney the way we want it done!!!!
 
"A reasonable person would not conclude that a fair reading ofthe Second Amended
Complaint reads like a press release within the meaning of the McHenry v. Rene case.

Plaintiffs' Second Amended Complaint is not unintelligible and clearly sets forth the
Federal Question for the Court to rule upon.
It is clear in the Second Amended Complaint that Defendants are refusing to follow any of
the U.S. laws cited within the Second Amended Complaint as set forth above. Defendants have
admitted in oral argument as well as in their written documents the same.
Plaintiffs respectfully disagree that the Federal Question before the Court is impermissible.

The language of the Voting Rights Act itself makes it permissible and, indeed, mandatory that the
District Court act to resolve the claim presented on the merits."
 
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