MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT: Lawyers for Ron Paul Lawsuit NOTE: Having the lawsuit not up 4 debate

[sailingaway]

From the looks of Mr Gilbert's twitter page,...... it appears the delegates made a deal to vote for Romney in the 11th hour (before verdict on the lawsuit). There are some really pissed off people. If you read the last several hours of his twitter page.... it kind of tells the story. Starting with this one :

USA_Patriot_Press ‏@USA_Free_Press 8 hours ago.

Can we trust our delegates? There can be no party unity with Romney. We cannot negotiate terms of surrender http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...s-set-to-strike-deal-with-rnc/comment-page-1/ …

that isn't what happened. some of our delegates aren't being seated it is others who would be voting. Benton is negotiating this, as the campaign brought the delegate challenge they control settling it. However, that is one state, although one we have a majority in if the rules are followed. It isn't the entire picture.

 

[ChristopherShelley]

USA_Patriot_Press ‏@USA_Free_Press

I have only one plan left. To Win !!!

8:12 PM - 21 Aug 12 via web

thats what im mfin talkin about.

 

[CPUd]

From the looks of Mr Gilbert's twitter page,...... it appears the delegates made a deal to vote for Romney in the 11th hour (before verdict on the lawsuit). There are some really pissed off people. If you read the last several hours of his twitter page.... it kind of tells the story. Starting with this one :

USA_Patriot_Press ‏@USA_Free_Press 8 hours ago.

Can we trust our delegates? There can be no party unity with Romney. We cannot negotiate terms of surrender http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.co...s-set-to-strike-deal-with-rnc/comment-page-1/ …

They are 2 separate issues; what he's trying to do is lump their situation with his because he somehow sees a benefit to himself in doing so. This is exactly what he tried to do with the delegates from Mass. until enough people told him that wasn't cool.

 

[sailingaway]

They are 2 separate issues; what he's trying to do is lump their situation with his because he somehow sees a benefit to himself in doing so. This is exactly what he tried to do with the delegates from Mass.

He needs to leave our delegates alone. I back those who are plaintiffs in his suit but I back the others as well.

 

[ChristopherShelley]

They are 2 separate issues; what he's trying to do is lump their situation with his because he somehow sees a benefit to himself in doing so. This is exactly what he tried to do with the delegates from Mass. until enough people told him that wasn't cool.

Do you mean a benefit to himself or the case? I'm not being snarky here.

 

[Miss Annie]

that isn't what happened. some of our delegates aren't being seated it is others who would be voting. Benton is negotiating this, as the campaign brought the delegate challenge they control settling it. However, that is one state, although one we have a majority in if the rules are followed. It isn't the entire picture.

Well I am glad to be wrong in this situation!! I don't have a twitter and am not used to reading the pages - I pray to God that I misunderstood it!

 

[ChristopherShelley]

He needs to leave our delegates alone. I back those who are plaintiffs in his suit but I back the others as well.

I don't understand. You back delegates who make a deal to give up seats at the RNC?

 

[sailingaway]

I don't understand. You back delegates who make a deal to give up seats at the RNC?

No delegates made any such deal. Benton is negotiating the challenges because the campaign is the one that filed the challenge. The delegates have no say until they are seated IF they are seated.

 

[CPUd]

Do you mean a benefit to himself or the case? I'm not being snarky here.

It benefits Gilbert and Gilbert alone.

 

[ChristopherShelley]

No delegates made any such deal. Benton is negotiating the challenges because the campaign is the one that filed the challenge. The delegates have no say until they are seated IF they are seated.

Ok.

I had understood from reading threads here that we had given up seats just to get some of our delegates seated. But you're saying it all hasn't been determined yet.

So, you're saying that Richard is calling out these delegates BEFORE they have made the deal. IOW, how can he or anyone judge the deal until we know what it is?

That makes sense.

But if these people caved and sabotaged the lawsuit and we get less out of the "deal" then we would have had if we had won the case, I'm gonna be pissed.

That's a lot of ifs, which is part of the problem. The case might not have even been ruled on before the convention.

Sorry, I need more information. But the fact that this "deal" happened like this after the RNC could no longer make a motion to dismiss or whatever reeks like Denmark to me.

 

[ChristopherShelley]

It benefits Gilbert and Gilbert alone.

How will it benefit him if he looks like a complete ass? If this was all about him, he did a poor job of putting himself in a position to look good. The case, however, is still alive.

 

[The Shazad]

Ok.

I had understood from reading threads here that we had given up seats just to get some of our delegates seated. But you're saying it all hasn't been determined yet.

So, you're saying that Richard is calling out these delegates BEFORE they have made the deal. IOW, how can he or anyone judge the deal until we know what it is?

That makes sense.

But if these people caved and sabotaged the lawsuit and we get less out of the "deal" then we would have had if we had won the case, I'm gonna be pissed.

That's a lot of ifs, which is part of the problem. The case might not have even been ruled on before the convention.

Sorry, I need more information. But the fact that this "deal" happened like this after the RNC could no longer make a motion to dismiss or whatever reeks like Denmark to me.

This deal has absolutely nothing to do with Richard Gilbert, except to the extent that the lawsuit annoyed the RNC and they found the Paul campaign guilty by association (making them less likely to cooperate). They're not waiting on the edge of their seats to see what happens in the lawsuit. They are already considering it to have failed.

So far, the only "deal" that has been officially announced is that instead of 1 delegate in Louisiana, Ron Paul will have 17. Originally the Paul legal team had lost that challenge. It is not completely clear what the RNC has received in return, but both sides are talking as if they are happy with the compromise.

 

[ChristopherShelley]

This deal has absolutely nothing to do with Richard Gilbert, except to the extent that the lawsuit annoyed the RNC and they found the Paul campaign guilty by association (making them less likely to cooperate). They're not waiting on the edge of their seats to see what happens in the lawsuit. They are already considering it to have failed.

So far, the only "deal" that has been officially announced is that instead of 1 delegate in Louisiana, Ron Paul will have 17. Originally the Paul legal team had lost that challenge. It is not completely clear what the RNC has received in return, but both sides are talking as if they are happy with the compromise.

Ok, so so far, according to you we have 16 delegates more than we had yesterday, but we might have given up something (we don't know what that might be).

The rest of what you said was fluff.

 

[The Shazad]

Ok, so so far, according to you we have 16 delegates more than we had yesterday, but we might have given up something (we don't know what that might be).

The rest of what you said was fluff.

One thing that was given up was the hope of Louisiana being one of 5 states needed to nominate Ron Paul. If the Paul side got their way, Ron Paul would have had 27 delegates out of 46 and they would have been able to put his name up for nomination. If the Republican Party of Louisiana got their way, Paul would have had 1 out of 46. The compromise was 17. Obviously, that will not be a plurality. There was probably more to the deal, but this is one obvious thing that the Paul side conceded.

 

[CPUd]

How will it benefit him if he looks like a complete ass? If this was all about him, he did a poor job of putting himself in a position to look good. The case, however, is still alive.

Go look at his twitter feed; read the last 2500 entries or so, and think about what is going on. The ones who criticize him the most have 1 thing in common- they are all familiar with his full body of work.

I'm done talking about this guy until after the convention. Hopefully by then, he will have faded into obscurity.

 

[ChristopherShelley]

Go look at his twitter feed; read the last 2500 entries or so, and think about what is going on. The ones who criticize him the most have 1 thing in common- they are all familiar with his full body of work.

I'm done talking about this guy until after the convention. Hopefully by then, he will have faded into obscurity.

Ok. So you're saying I don't understand him or what he is about. Fair enough.

 

[ChristopherShelley]

One thing that was given up was the hope of Louisiana being one of 5 states needed to nominate Ron Paul. If the Paul side got their way, Ron Paul would have had 27 delegates out of 46 and they would have been able to put his name up for nomination. If the Republican Party of Louisiana got their way, Paul would have had 1 out of 46. The compromise was 17. Obviously, that will not be a plurality. There was probably more to the deal, but this is one obvious thing that the Paul side conceded.

Ok so we lost a possible plurality in favor of 17 delegates instead of 1. Who made that decision?

 

[The Shazad]

Ok so we lost a possible plurality in favor of 17 delegates instead of 1. Who made that decision?

Ron Paul, via a surrogate.

 

[ChristopherShelley]

Ron Paul, via a surrogate.

So the "surrogate" made it happen, but you know Paul told him/her to do it?

 

[sailingaway]

So the "surrogate" made it happen, but you know Paul told him/her to do it?

in his mind he does.