Maine Legislator Turncoat

[Rocco]

Just like Palin and Cain originally endorsed Newt, just like everyone who endorsed a GOP candidate before Romney did before Romney became the presumed nominee. This is so common that it's basically academic at this point, and whether or not you agree with that there's no doubt that it's done for a reason; party loyalty. It basically amounts to a loyalty pledge to the GOP to endorse the presumed nominee after you endorsed a losing opponent of his.

He endorsed Ron Paul and then stabbed him in the back. GTFO.

 

[kathy88]

EXACTLY! Thank you Kathy, that is my ENTIRE point! Why was Ron ostracized by the GOP? Because he never showed any loyalty at all to the GOP, he openly criticized GOP leaders and policies, and we wonder why the perception is we aren't "real" republicans. That matters to these people, being disloyal to the GOP to them is equal to being disloyal to the liberty movement for you. We want to create a NEW generation of leaders who will be able to accomplish legislative achievements because they aren't perceived as outsiders in the way Dr Paul is.

No, we want to push the GOP back to its original ideals they have strayed so far from. There is no room in that plan for supporting another cardboard cutout bankster shill. WE are the real Republicans. THEY are not. RON is a real Republican. We are taking the party back from THEM. We want to create a new generation of leaders that ACTUALLY practice what they PREACH without deals, games, lies and backstabbing. YOU don't get it.

 

[bluesc]

Just like Palin and Cain originally endorsed Newt, just like everyone who endorsed a GOP candidate before Romney did before Romney became the presumed nominee. This is so common that it's basically academic at this point, and whether or not you agree with that there's no doubt that it's done for a reason; party loyalty. It basically amounts to a loyalty pledge to the GOP to endorse the presumed nominee after you endorsed a losing opponent of his.

You're still preaching loyalty to the GOP. Are you even aware of what website you are posting on right now?

If you're even comparing him to Palin and Cain, how can you consider him a "liberty candidate"?

 

[lib3rtarian]

EXACTLY! Thank you Kathy, that is my ENTIRE point! Why was Ron ostracized by the GOP? Because he never showed any loyalty at all to the GOP, he openly criticized GOP leaders and policies, and we wonder why the perception is we aren't "real" republicans. That matters to these people, being disloyal to the GOP to them is equal to being disloyal to the liberty movement for you. We want to create a NEW generation of leaders who will be able to accomplish legislative achievements because they aren't perceived as outsiders in the way Dr Paul is.

What the fuck are you talking about? If Ron showed "loyalty" towards the GOP and was sucking the collective GOP cock every time, we wouldn't have THIS movement now. We have this movement exactly because we have an incorruptible spokesperson who stood against all odds and voted ALONE for the Constitution when the whole sellout GOP was inflating their wallets and selling this country out. I don't care about being disloyal to the GOP, I care about being disloyal to the Constitution! If your own party is being disloyal to the Constitution and the country, then you are just another tool in the shed if you stick with the party. We need people who will swim against the tide, not with the tide.

 

[69360]

Just like Palin and Cain originally endorsed Newt, just like everyone who endorsed a GOP candidate before Romney did before Romney became the presumed nominee. This is so common that it's basically academic at this point, and whether or not you agree with that there's no doubt that it's done for a reason; party loyalty. It basically amounts to a loyalty pledge to the GOP to endorse the presumed nominee after you endorsed a losing opponent of his.

Party loyalty would have been fine AFTER the convention. He backstabbed Ron the day before the Maine convention where Ron has a very real chance to take a plurality of delegates. That's a huge difference.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Don't email him. Destroy him.

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[Rocco]

I agree with all of that, the problem is we aren't going to push the GOP back to its ideals by taking out anybody who disagrees with our obstructionist approach. I support the caucus/delegate strategy, but there is no doubt that there are liberty people who would rather not try to create more enemies in the GOP by being obstructionist. We are going to do it by supporting ALL liberty candidates, regardless of tactic, because no matter who they endorse in races if they advocate for the principles of liberty in their legislation THAT is what matters.

No, we want to push the GOP back to its original ideals they have strayed so far from. There is no room in that plan for supporting another cardboard cutout bankster shill. WE are the real Republicans. THEY are not. RON is a real Republican. We are taking the party back from THEM. We want to create a new generation of leaders that ACTUALLY practice what they PREACH without deals, games, lies and backstabbing. YOU don't get it.

 

[rich34]

Party loyalty would have been fine AFTER the convention. He backstabbed Ron the day before the Maine convention where Ron has a very real chance to take a plurality of delegates. That's a huge difference.

Couldn't agree more! It's a shame that we have some here that still don't get it. I'm fine with differing opinions and that loyalty talk AFTER the convention, but the fact is we're still fighting it out to see who the nominee will be. If some have already given up and want to support Romney then GTFO!

 

[truthspeaker]

Guys, we can't have in-fighting over this. I understand what Rocco's saying.

With this elected official, the best thing to do is challenge him during the primary, Tea Party style. If he allied himself with the Tea Party, he should be ready for it.

However, I do agree with the statement that if Romney was the GOP nominee, that this official has to show party solidarity. That goes for any of us who becomes elected as anything from a precinct chair to a state committeeman. If we enter the GOP as GOP leaders, we have to follow it through. Otherwise, next time, they'll ignore the liberty movement worse than before by saying: "Oh, they only cared about Paul. They never helped us defeat Obama". Those of us who won positions must show that we are republicans, otherwise next time the Liberty Candidate will not have a chance. (Now, if you didn't run for positions, that doesn't apply to you--Paul-voters only included).

How much easier was it this time around when we had our own people elected in those types of offices?

Sure, that State rep. did something disappointing, but we cannot lose sight of our goals. Freedom, liberty, sound economics, peace.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

M.D. Harmon: Interview of Rep. Ryan Harmon

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He even has the establishment chub, no doubt from eating the scraps they toss him.

 

[Rocco]

The problem with that is the Maine GOP is in the process of being taken over by us. If he is attending the state convention, which I assume he is, he either has to side with those trying to overthrow the GOP or those currently in it. I love the conventions strategy, I wish he'd still be with us, but the political decision he made as a member of a STATE legislator (a leader in Maine GOP) to not burn bridges by siding with the "outsiders" who are trying to overthrow the GOP is something I think you should respect even if you disagree. I do disagree with him personally, I would have stuck w/ Paul too, but to say supporting the presumed nominee is "back stabbing" the only other candidate left (who no longer has a chance of winning the nomination) is indicative of an us vs them mentality that will get us nowhere in GOP politics.

Party loyalty would have been fine AFTER the convention. He backstabbed Ron the day before the Maine convention where Ron has a very real chance to take a plurality of delegates. That's a huge difference.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

A doughfaced doughboy.

Have you noticed a lot of establishment republican types are in that soft doughy mold? Remember that Kooky from Kentucky guy that attacked Rand Paul? He was another establishment doughboy. Isn't it enough to just listen to Rush Limbaugh, but do you have to be a gluttonous slob like him too?

 

[KCIndy]

given the way the votes came in, and Ron's went backwards some how in some areas due to others being lost in a spam filter (? we are talking raw numbers, not percentages going backwards) and that all of them STILL hadn't been posted last time I checked, I'm not even convinced Ron lost. And 70 of his delegates from Portland were disallowed because of a three person discrepancy in numbers between sign in and vote even though taking all three from Ron's delegate vote numbers wouldn't have changed the outcome.....

Isn't Maine the state where a couple of counties had to cancel their primary per the GOP's order (due to weather) when the Girl Scouts held their events *despite* the weather?

Yeah, I have serious doubts about the primary's outcome, too.

 

[Rocco]

Exactly what I've been trying to say. The funny thing is, I actually disagree with you. I don't think I (as a GOP county committeeman) should support Romney. I will be voting Gary Johnson. But just the fact that you came in here and made that argument proves my point, because my whole point is there ARE liberty people who think this way and we should not and cannot ostracize them.

Guys, we can't have in-fighting over this. I understand what Rocco's saying.

With this elected official, the best thing to do is challenge him during the primary, Tea Party style. If he allied himself with the Tea Party, he should be ready for it.

However, I do agree with the statement that if Romney was the GOP nominee, that this official has to show party solidarity. That goes for any of us who becomes elected as anything from a precinct chair to a state committeeman. If we enter the GOP as GOP leaders, we have to follow it through. Otherwise, next time, they'll ignore the liberty movement worse than before by saying: "Oh, they only cared about Paul. They never helped us defeat Obama". Those of us who won positions must show that we are republicans, otherwise next time the Liberty Candidate will not have a chance. (Now, if you didn't run for positions, that doesn't apply to you--Paul-voters only included).

How much easier was it this time around when we had our own people elected in those types of offices?

Sure, that State rep. did something disappointing, but we cannot lose sight of our goals. Freedom, liberty, sound economics, peace.

 

[kathy88]

Have you noticed a lot of establishment republican types are in that soft doughy mold? Remember that Kooky from Kentucky guy that attacked Rand Paul? He was another establishment doughboy. Isn't it enough to just listen to Rush Limbaugh, but do you have to be a gluttonous slob like him too?

Probably got offered a free year of Jenny Craig and hopped on it.

 

[lib3rtarian]

Party loyalty would have been fine AFTER the convention.

No, that's also not fine.

I agree with all of that, the problem is we aren't going to push the GOP back to its ideals by taking out anybody who disagrees with our obstructionist approach. I support the caucus/delegate strategy, but there is no doubt that there are liberty people who would rather not try to create more enemies in the GOP by being obstructionist. We are going to do it by supporting ALL liberty candidates, regardless of tactic, because no matter who they endorse in races if they advocate for the principles of liberty in their legislation THAT is what matters.

This guy is not a liberty person and nor is you. You don't turn your back on Ron Paul and call yourself a liberty person.

 

[69360]

The problem with that is the Maine GOP is in the process of being taken over by us. If he is attending the state convention, which I assume he is, he either has to side with those trying to overthrow the GOP or those currently in it. I love the conventions strategy, I wish he'd still be with us, but the political decision he made as a member of a STATE legislator (a leader in Maine GOP) to not burn bridges by siding with the "outsiders" who are trying to overthrow the GOP is something I think you should respect even if you disagree. I do disagree with him personally, I would have stuck w/ Paul too, but to say supporting the presumed nominee is "back stabbing" the only other candidate left (who no longer has a chance of winning the nomination) is indicative of an us vs them mentality that will get us nowhere in GOP politics.

He would not have been damaged politically in ME if he stuck with Ron. Ron did extremely well in ME, it isn't fringe or outsider to endorse Ron there.

Now if RP supporters take over the ME GOP he will be damaged for backstabbing Ron.

Bad choice.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

How many of you guys are hurting for money? What would you so if Romney cameup to you and offered you a blank check.. knowing you have a family to feed. Maybe this guy sold out for those reasons. Maybe he was forced to do this because they threatened his life or family members?

Whatever makes you sleep better.

 

[Intoxiklown]

Know what we call guys like that where I'm from? Girls.

Regardless of his reasoning, he's a sell out. Which means he can't be trusted. Saying to keep trusting him is like the wife who has a husband who wips her ass who says, "Well, you don't understand. He loves me".

Fuck him and his family. Vote him out. If you don't show zero tolerance to that, you encourage other politicians to keep doing it as well. No accountability means zero reliability. Quit defending the fat fuck.

 

[kathy88]

Exactly what I've been trying to say. The funny thing is, I actually disagree with you. I don't think I (as a GOP county committeeman) should support Romney. I will be voting Gary Johnson. But just the fact that you came in here and made that argument proves my point, because my whole point is there ARE liberty people who think this way and we should not and cannot ostracize them.

Fucked up on so many levels. He used us to win a seat and the DAY BEFORE THE state event came out for MITT. Fucking co-opted tea party fake asshole just like Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Rubio, etc... etc.... They all make me want to puke. They chant small government and in the end they just want a bigger piece of the big government pie. This dude's no different. I'll watch this clown with great interest. Anyone can take a Mises course. Not anyone apparently can stand by their principles. He did not have to endorse. He could have just kept his krispy kreme fat mouth shut.