Maine Legislator Turncoat

[Tudo]

What a piece of dog shit. A traitor.

 

[Rocco]

If this movement ultimately fails, the attitudes shown in this thread will be the reason why.

Honestly, take off your RP glasses for two seconds and look at this from his shoes. You have a presumptive nominee who has been endorsed by the RNC, YOUR party. This presumptive nominee has the task of going against the most hated (by republicans) president since Carter and maybe even since FDR. If you are in this legislators position, and your entire state party is in upheaval as this great division of the party is taking place right before you are taking on the most hated president in the last 80+ years, you don't sacrifice all of your political capital by siding with the "divisive" group who doesn't care about beating Obama. To do so would alienate you from the state GOP for years. Have you ever considered the possibility that, just maybe, the guy's actually a republican and would rather see Romney then Obama, and wishes to unite the party to defeat him? Siding with Ron Paul divides the party and hurts their chances of beating Obama, like it or not that is true. Therefore, any republican who does divide the party by supporting Paul after the RNC called it for Romney is hurting republican efforts to beat Obama. I personally acknowledge and have no problem with this, beating Obama is not my priority, restoring liberty is. But if I were holding office I don't know that I would create all these bad feelings amongst my party mates towards me by going against the presumed nominee.

This is especially true because there is no upside to it, RP is not going to win his parties nomination so why even consider sacrificing your political capital if electoral victory isn't even in sight? I'm not saying endorsing Romney was the right thing to do, if I were him I would still be supporting Dr Paul, but this guy has a political calculation to make as well as an ideological one. Do you honestly believe Jim Demint and Mike Lee believe that Mitt Romney is a true conservative? Of course they do not, but they endorsed him because to not do so would harm the GOP's #1 objective (eliminating Obama)

Castigating anyone out of our movement who dares to make a political calculation of any sort will ultimately lead to failure of our movement. Unfortunately the only way to truly succeed in politics is to make political calculations (even Dr Paul does it sometimes). Instead of casting this state rep aside, this state rep who studied at the freakin Mises Institute for crying out loud, we should see this for what it is, forgive him and continue to support him. What I am hearing in this thread is if this state rep were to, say, run for Olympia Snowe's vacated seat they would not vote for him. Now who's playing politics instead of focusing on ideology? If we cast aside everyone who ever endorses a presumed nominee we do not like we will either end up with no liberty people in congress or a small group who, not unlike Ron Paul, have zero political capital and therefore can never get any legislation passed. I love Dr Paul, but if we are going to advance as a movement we MUST get past his attitudes regarding playing nice w/ the GOP and acknowledge that some of our people will do things for political reasons.

 

[sailingaway]

Rocco, anyone who bails on Ron immediately before his state's key convention when Ron might take the delegates and much media, in Ron's last campaign, is an enemy of mine. I look forward to the movement throwing up Ron's like again, but I'm not going to hold my breath for that day.

 

[rb3b3]

IS THIS HIS FACEBOOK PAGE?? I HOPE SO BECAUSE I JUST SENT HIM A VERY FRIENDLY MESSAGE LOL

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000120274869#!/profile.php?id=100000120274869

 

[69360]

If this movement ultimately fails, the attitudes shown in this thread will be the reason why.

Honestly, take off your RP glasses for two seconds and look at this from his shoes. .

In his shoes, there was no reason to back stab Ron at a critical moment and switch to Romney. Ron almost won Maine. Sticking with Ron would not have harmed him one tiny bit in the state.

If he did this after the RNC, then fine let it go.

 

[sailingaway]

I hope you don't attack people in Ron's name.

 

[Matthew5]

If this movement ultimately fails, the attitudes shown in this thread will be the reason why...

Some of us value integrity...it's the lack thereof that makes us so disgusted. Don't defend the status quo.

 

[Matthew5]

In his shoes, there was no reason to back stab Ron at a critical moment and switch to Romney. Ron almost won Maine. Sticking with Ron would not have harmed him one tiny bit in the state.

If he did this after the RNC, then fine let it go.

This! +rep

 

[sailingaway]

In his shoes, there was no reason to back stab Ron at a critical moment and switch to Romney. Ron almost won Maine. Sticking with Ron would not have harmed him one tiny bit in the state.

If he did this after the RNC, then fine let it go.

given the way the votes came in, and Ron's went backwards some how in some areas due to others being lost in a spam filter (? we are talking raw numbers, not percentages going backwards) and that all of them STILL hadn't been posted last time I checked, I'm not even convinced Ron lost. And 70 of his delegates from Portland were disallowed because of a three person discrepancy in numbers between sign in and vote even though taking all three from Ron's delegate vote numbers wouldn't have changed the outcome.....

It was a poor decision and only he is responsible for that decision.

 

[samsung1]

How many of you guys are hurting for money? What would you so if Romney cameup to you and offered you a blank check.. knowing you have a family to feed. Maybe this guy sold out for those reasons. Maybe he was forced to do this because they threatened his life or family members?

 

[sailingaway]

How many of you guys are hurting for money? What would you so if Romney cameup to you and offered you a blank check.. knowing you have a family to feed. Maybe this guy sold out for those reasons. Maybe he was forced to do this because they threatened his life or family members?

believe that if you like.

 

[kathy88]

You never know... they may have dirt on him.

Rep Ryan Harmon's Page: http://themaineteaparty.com/profile/RepRyanHarmon?xg_source=profiles_memberList

Representative R. Ryan Harmon: http://www.maine.gov/legis/house_gop/_reps/rep.php?rep=harmon&story_title=Maine House GOP: Meet Rep. Ryan Harmon

http://www.themainewire.com/

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When the Legislature is in session, you can leave a message
for Rep. Ryan Harmon by calling the office at: (207) 287-1440.

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[edited to remove personal contact info DON'T SPAM HIM - just vote him out.]

Click on the link to the Maine refounders blog.... There's an interesting post titled "time for unity" it appears one Jane Clark is rousing the troops to support Mittens. Is she an office holder?

 

[Elwar]

This reminds me of Glenn Beck.

Talk about freedom and liberty until that critical time when you are needed to slap it down.

If the guy does not have a primary, he needs to lose to the Democrat.

 

[bluesc]

How many of you guys are hurting for money? What would you so if Romney cameup to you and offered you a blank check.. knowing you have a family to feed. Maybe this guy sold out for those reasons. Maybe he was forced to do this because they threatened his life or family members?

For the endorsement of a state rep? No. The most Romney's people would have offered is support for a future campaign, essentially guaranteeing him higher office.

 

[Rocco]

So what then happens if, lets say, RP does win at the convention but our movement fizzles out and the republican establishment will no longer back him? He would have made a MASSIVE political sacrifice and accomplished nothing. He would then, for the rest of his political career, have to advance without the help of the party machine, which is a massive disadvantage. This is all with ZERO tangible benefit as RP will not win the nomination, so why would any serious politician even consider it? We're talking about somebody siding with a group trying to overthrow the state GOP, it's not as if RP is causing no trouble in Maine GOP politics. Really, the amount of outrage over this political choice any idiot could make is concerning.

Rocco, anyone who bails on Ron immediately before his state's key convention when Ron might take the delegates and much media, in Ron's last campaign, is an enemy of mine. I look forward to the movement throwing up Ron's like again, but I'm not going to hold my breath for that day.

 

[Warmon]

If this movement ultimately fails, the attitudes shown in this thread will be the reason why...

You've probably never served in combat, but this is the same as Harmon being a deserter. IMO, he is being a pussy and worthy of being shot in the back. Read the letter again. It's ridiculous.

I am sincerely grateful for his contributions and I am honored to have had the opportunity to support him.

Had? How about have. Translation: so sorry to stab you in the back in your time of greatest need.

 

[ClydeCoulter]

believe that if you like.

can't rep sailing, pass around some

 

[rich34]

I started a thread about 3 days ago warning this would happen. Of course it got moved to another forum. The campaign is gonna have to be real careful of this.

 

[bluesc]

So what then happens if, lets say, RP does win at the convention but our movement fizzles out and the republican establishment will no longer back him? He would have made a MASSIVE political sacrifice and accomplished nothing. He would then, for the rest of his political career, have to advance without the help of the party machine, which is a massive disadvantage. This is all with ZERO tangible benefit as RP will not win the nomination, so why would any serious politician even consider it? We're talking about somebody siding with a group trying to overthrow the state GOP, it's not as if RP is causing no trouble in Maine GOP politics. Really, the amount of outrage over this political choice any idiot could make is concerning.

Clearly loyalty and simple decency mean nothing to you. You'd fit in well in the corrupt GOP, but not this movement.

Jump on board or get left behind.

 

[Icymudpuppy]

Benedict Arnold