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From the DailyPaul Site: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/33047

OK, so I decided to post this as a new thread because I am very frustrated at all the HATE that some of you guys are throwing at the RP campaign regarding the Maine Caucus results.

You all expected a big win and when you look at the results on yahoo or cnn you think HQ really screwed it up but you are wrong.

The MSM is reporting the results of a NON-BINDING straw poll and they are using those results to GUESS at the number of delegates that each candidate will get. What you need to know is that TWO things happen at the Maine Caucus.

1) A straw poll is taken. All the Republicans in town get together and cast a ballot. This is what the media reports.

2) Delegates are elected to the State Convention held in May.

Yahoo and CNN are only GUESSING on the number of delegates to the State Convention in May for each candidate. They are taking the straw poll results and ASSUMING that the delegates to the state convention will reflect this breakdown.
HOWEVER, the delegates are not bound by the straw poll results. You may have a case where Town X voted 90% for Romney but all of the delegates from Town X are RP supporters. I know for a fact that in one town RP got 40% of the straw poll vote but 85% of the delegates.

PLEASE DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED BY THE FAKE DELEGATE COUNT THAT THE MSM PUBLISHES. There is no way for the MSM to know the # of delegates supporting each candidate because delegates do not state their preference until the State Convention in May. PLEASE DO NOT GET ANGRY AT THE RP CAMPAIGN STAFF. They did a great job in Maine because they understand how the Maine system works.

Just wanted to add a little Post Script here...
Thank you to all the RP supporters from around the States who sent good wishes to us here in Maine. There are still some towns that caucus tomorrow and I hope for the best there. We were very lucky to have Dr. Paul come and visit us last week and get us fired up before the caucus. HQ did a great job. I got phone calls leading up to the caucus to encourage me to show up. Also received a nice mailer a couple days before the caucus. The State Coordinator in Maine, Ken Lindell, showed up at the caucus and gave a fantastic speech (best by far on behalf of any candidate). The precinct leaders handed out a nice piece of literature that contrasted Dr. Paul's record with that of the other candidates. I think everyone did an excellent job. I would like to ask that anyone who still has a primary or caucus coming up, PLEASE just try to get one or two people to come with you! If everyone does this it will double or triple the vote total for RP. Also, become a delegate to your state convention (especially in states like Maine and Colorado). That is how we will win the nomination.
 
From the DailyPaul Site: http://www.dailypaul.com/node/33047

OK, so I decided to post this as a new thread because I am very frustrated at all the HATE that some of you guys are throwing at the RP campaign regarding the Maine Caucus results.

You all expected a big win and when you look at the results on yahoo or cnn you think HQ really screwed it up but you are wrong.

The MSM is reporting the results of a NON-BINDING straw poll and they are using those results to GUESS at the number of delegates that each candidate will get. What you need to know is that TWO things happen at the Maine Caucus.

1) A straw poll is taken. All the Republicans in town get together and cast a ballot. This is what the media reports.

2) Delegates are elected to the State Convention held in May.

Yahoo and CNN are only GUESSING on the number of delegates to the State Convention in May for each candidate. They are taking the straw poll results and ASSUMING that the delegates to the state convention will reflect this breakdown.
HOWEVER, the delegates are not bound by the straw poll results. You may have a case where Town X voted 90% for Romney but all of the delegates from Town X are RP supporters. I know for a fact that in one town RP got 40% of the straw poll vote but 85% of the delegates.

PLEASE DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED BY THE FAKE DELEGATE COUNT THAT THE MSM PUBLISHES. There is no way for the MSM to know the # of delegates supporting each candidate because delegates do not state their preference until the State Convention in May. PLEASE DO NOT GET ANGRY AT THE RP CAMPAIGN STAFF. They did a great job in Maine because they understand how the Maine system works.

Just wanted to add a little Post Script here...
Thank you to all the RP supporters from around the States who sent good wishes to us here in Maine. There are still some towns that caucus tomorrow and I hope for the best there. We were very lucky to have Dr. Paul come and visit us last week and get us fired up before the caucus. HQ did a great job. I got phone calls leading up to the caucus to encourage me to show up. Also received a nice mailer a couple days before the caucus. The State Coordinator in Maine, Ken Lindell, showed up at the caucus and gave a fantastic speech (best by far on behalf of any candidate). The precinct leaders handed out a nice piece of literature that contrasted Dr. Paul's record with that of the other candidates. I think everyone did an excellent job. I would like to ask that anyone who still has a primary or caucus coming up, PLEASE just try to get one or two people to come with you! If everyone does this it will double or triple the vote total for RP. Also, become a delegate to your state convention (especially in states like Maine and Colorado). That is how we will win the nomination.

so how many other states are similar to Maine? Colorado and who else? I was under the assumption that most state delegates are bound by primary and straw poll results unless the candidate withdraws or there is a brokered election. Can you help shed a little light on this? Thanks
 
way to go Maine, I've been hearing all day that we got a good many delegates. Don't ever believe the straw polls. Delegates is what counts, not a straw poll. I've heard that the Mainers won Portland!
 
delegates really DON'T matter when it comes to beating the "he can't win" mentality, and without beating that, we're dead in the water. we NEEDED a real, honest-to-goodness win in Maine to bust that argument before super tuesday. you can dance around it, but it is fact. i hope something big happens tuesday and everyone decides to vote themselves and not let the tv do it for them. or all the old people could just die. that would help.
 
All those Romney supporters didn't vote for delegates. A good sign that they were out-of-staters.
 
awesome, i just wish state conventions werent so far away. i want to win now lol
 
THis is exactly why we NEED to keep funding his campaign all the way through the convention. That jet aint cheap. Let's keep RP flying...
 
what do you mean didn't vote for delegates? so maine will let you just show up from out of state, vote in the straw poll, then somehow filter your votes out so that it doesn't effect the delegate count? i'm missing something here...
 
delegates really DON'T matter when it comes to beating the "he can't win" mentality, and without beating that, we're dead in the water. we NEEDED a real, honest-to-goodness win in Maine to bust that argument before super tuesday. you can dance around it, but it is fact. i hope something big happens tuesday and everyone decides to vote themselves and not let the tv do it for them. or all the old people could just die. that would help.

You beat the 'he can't win mentality' by getting him in the White House which involves getting him the most delegates, not winning a popularity contest.

what do you mean didn't vote for delegates? so maine will let you just show up from out of state, vote in the straw poll, then somehow filter your votes out so that it doesn't effect the delegate count? i'm missing something here...

You show up, cast a vote in the Straw Poll, and then cast a vote for State delegates.

Same with Nevada. Odds are we will have the most delegates there also.
 
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delegates really DON'T matter when it comes to beating the "he can't win" mentality, and without beating that, we're dead in the water. we NEEDED a real, honest-to-goodness win in Maine to bust that argument before super tuesday. you can dance around it, but it is fact. i hope something big happens tuesday and everyone decides to vote themselves and not let the tv do it for them. or all the old people could just die. that would help.

Tell people that he won Maine. If we won the Maine straw poll, the MSM wouldn't have covered it. If they did, it would be "Libertarian kook longshot Ron Paul managed to pull a single win in a really tiny, 18-delegate state. He was the only guy that campaigned there, and it's not indicative of his national showing, where he's doing terrible." The MSM isn't covering it much right now.

If you're talking to someone, and they pull the "he can't win" thing, tell them that he won Maine. You're not lying. Tell them he got second (possibly first, delegate-wise) in Nevada, and a possible 1st in Louisiana.

But.....to do that, you've gotta talk to people, which means *CANVAS CANVAS CANVAS* :D
 
You beat the 'he can't win mentality' by getting him in the White House which involves getting him the most delegates, not winning a popularity contest.


not a popularity contest? an election is, by definition, a popularity contest. you can't win more delegates without votes, and people don't want to "throw their vote away". i'm not saying that i or anyone else should give up. we shouldn't. we should fight all the way to the convention, but to deny that Maine was a blow to the campaign is just to bury your head in the sand. we did need a win before super tuesday. we good "he can win" press going into the big day. face it, we need to win those straw polls, too. i don't remember ever learning of someone wining a nomination having never won a state poll...

in any event, do what you can. i signed up as a precinct leader today, it was simple and even seems fun. i would encourage you all to do the same. that's the only way we're going to get a win, hopefully soon enough for it to do us some good.
 
not a popularity contest? an election is, by definition, a popularity contest. you can't win more delegates without votes, and people don't want to "throw their vote away". i'm not saying that i or anyone else should give up. we shouldn't. we should fight all the way to the convention,

Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, so much for the theory of 'popularity contest'. It is all about the delegates, period.


but to deny that Maine was a blow to the campaign is just to bury your head in the sand. we did need a win before super tuesday. we good "he can win" press going into the big day. face it, we need to win those straw polls, too. i don't remember ever learning of someone wining a nomination having never won a state poll...

How is getting the most delegates a 'blow to the campaign'? The press will state he can't win even if he won the beauty contest.
 
All those Romney supporters didn't vote for delegates. A good sign that they were out-of-staters.

Interesting....
Win won LA and now it looks like we won Maine....Awesome!

Remember folks, just stay :cool: .
I truly think we have a chance of getting into the White House. Don't give up and keep supporting Dr. Paul, and it will happen! :)


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