Maine is a SUCCESS

[RageAgainstDC]

Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, so much for the theory of 'popularity contest'. It is all about the delegates, period.

this isn't a general election. the supreme court won bush the white house, not delegates.

 

[literatim]

this isn't a general election. the supreme court won bush the white house, not delegates.

Delegates won it because Bush won Florida and picked up those delegates. Do you seriously not understand how our Republic works?

The only difference between a general election and a primary is that more people are in the game.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

The whole caucasus thing has my head spinning...ugh I'm to tierd to figure right now. Louisiana put my panties in a bind. Anyone have any clue whats going on there?

 

[syborius]

delegates really DON'T matter when it comes to beating the "he can't win" mentality, and without beating that, we're dead in the water. we NEEDED a real, honest-to-goodness win in Maine to bust that argument before super tuesday. you can dance around it, but it is fact. i hope something big happens tuesday and everyone decides to vote themselves and not let the tv do it for them. or all the old people could just die. that would help.

you're right on the money. We need to break through the perception muck the MSM has created. How we do that I don't know. If people think they are throwing their vote away they will go with mccain or romney. I hope we get one solid win tomorrow and only then will be begin to crack the machine. If we get two it will be even better, and then we have a strong chance.

 

[wfd40]

delegates really DON'T matter when it comes to beating the "he can't win" mentality, and without beating that, we're dead in the water. we NEEDED a real, honest-to-goodness win in Maine to bust that argument before super tuesday. you can dance around it, but it is fact. i hope something big happens tuesday and everyone decides to vote themselves and not let the tv do it for them. or all the old people could just die. that would help.

unfortunately, quite true

 

[pacelli]

Since Ron Paul said we won Louisiana, I'll be using that to counter people's "he's not electable" issue. Thanks Ron!

 

[Shink]

so how many other states are similar to Maine? Colorado and who else? I was under the assumption that most state delegates are bound by primary and straw poll results unless the candidate withdraws or there is a brokered election. Can you help shed a little light on this? Thanks

IOWA. I'm all-in for Ron, and I'm going through the process which will last awhile. You guys need not be discouraged. Ron knows the difference between media hyped spin and cold, calculated plans that lead to a WIN.

 

[RageAgainstDC]

Delegates won it because Bush won Florida and picked up those delegates. Do you seriously not understand how our Republic works?

The only difference between a general election and a primary is that more people are in the game.

you can argue and attack me all you want, the point is the same, maine WASN'T a win, and thus ISN'T a success. as long as we accept 2nd place as being victory we'll be no better than 2nd place when it's all over. the goal is to win, not get 2nd. delegate counts, who won what vote, allegations of vote fraud, none of that is going to do anything to make joe public think a vote for ron paul is a vote that matters. that is what matters, not 1 delegate vs. 2 in some tiny primary. later that will matter, but we have to beat that mentality to even get close enough for it to matter.

and yes i understand "how our republic works". i lived in palm beach county in 2004, trust me i know the situation. the whole thing was bullshit, and decided by judges, not voters.

 

[literatim]

you're right on the money. We need to break through the perception muck the MSM has created. How we do that I don't know. If people think they are throwing their vote away they will go with mccain or romney. I hope we get one solid win tomorrow and only then will be begin to crack the machine. If we get two it will be even better, and then we have a strong chance.

The only thing we need to do is get the most delegates.

you can argue and attack me all you want, the point is the same, maine WASN'T a win, and thus ISN'T a success. as long as we accept 2nd place as being victory we'll be no better than 2nd place when it's all over. the goal is to win, not get 2nd. delegate counts, who won what vote, allegations of vote fraud, none of that is going to do anything to make joe public think a vote for ron paul is a vote that matters. that is what matters, not 1 delegate vs. 2 in some tiny primary. later that will matter, but we have to beat that mentality to even get close enough for it to matter.

and yes i understand "how our republic works". i lived in palm beach county in 2004, trust me i know the situation. the whole thing was bullshit, and decided by judges, not voters.

The most delegates isn't 2nd place, it is 1st place. We will take Maine's 18 national delegates at the state convention. How is that in any way a loss?

 

[Dr.3D]

SNIP~ or all the old people could just die. that would help.

Do you really want me to die?

 

[RageAgainstDC]

The only thing we need to do is get the most delegates.

...and how do you suppose we do that with so many winner take all states, without actually winning some of them? that won't happen until we beat "the mentality". argue all day, but it's fact, and until we realize it and find a way to correct it we're not helping ourselves. i hate to sound negative, but it's time for some hard truth. people need to get out, call, canvas, etc. if we had time i'd say we need to focus on one state resource-wise just to get a win in before super tuesday, but without that we need a new way to do it. and we need it by tuesday.




The most delegates isn't 2nd place, it is 1st place. We will take Maine's 18 national delegates at the state convention. How is that in any way a loss?[/QUOTE]

well, to begin with, neither you or anyone else can say how many delegates we're getting. i hope you're right, but that statement is, frankly, blowing smoke up people's asses.

 

[faisal]

true, but if we won in the straw poll, then the MSM would boost us like hell!

 

[RageAgainstDC]

Do you really want me to die?

sorry... should've said "all the old sheeple" as apparently you are the exception to what sadly seems to be the rule.

 

[literatim]

...and how do you suppose we do that with so many winner take all states, without actually winning some of them? that won't happen until we beat "the mentality". argue all day, but it's fact, and until we realize it and find a way to correct it we're not helping ourselves. i hate to sound negative, but it's time for some hard truth. people need to get out, call, canvas, etc. if we had time i'd say we need to focus on one state resource-wise just to get a win in before super tuesday, but without that we need a new way to do it. and we need it by tuesday.

Maine is a winner take all State. Guess who will be taking them? We are going to win this the same way Goldwater won it despite the establishment working against him, through caucus states.

well, to begin with, neither you or anyone else can say how many delegates we're getting. i hope you're right, but that statement is, frankly, blowing smoke up people's asses.

People are keeping track of them over on the Winning Maine subforum. If they are Ron Paul supporters, they are voting Ron Paul.

true, but if we won in the straw poll, then the MSM would boost us like hell!

No they wouldn't. You are talking about the same mainstream media who reported that McCain came in 2nd in Nevada.

 

[CrazyRonPaulSupporter]

Since Ron Paul said we won Louisiana, I'll be using that to counter people's "he's not electable" issue. Thanks Ron!

Actually, I bet it's safe to say we did win LA because Ron Paul would never state that unless he was absolutely sure that is the case. So I will do the same. Also I probably would explain shortly why it hasn't been reported officially yet.....

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[RageAgainstDC]

well, i sure hope you're right. but regardless.. my point wasn't whether or not we won delegates, it was that we needed to win the straw poll.. sure the media would spin it and marginalize it, but that is the ammo i need when i'm canvassing. a real argument to the "throwin my vote away" response. i won't do the louisianna thing. i don't know it to be fact, and, frankly, im not the guy to pass something as fact when i don't know that it is, especially when representing the revolution.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

OK...I'm happy about Maine and a WOOHOO to Mainers!

 

[Pauls' Revere]

WE ARE IN THIS FIGHT TO THE END PEOPLE!!
No whater what some friggin poll says!

 

[literatim]

well, i sure hope you're right. but regardless.. my point wasn't whether or not we won delegates, it was that we needed to win the straw poll.. sure the media would spin it and marginalize it, but that is the ammo i need when i'm canvassing. a real argument to the "throwin my vote away" response. i won't do the louisianna thing. i don't know it to be fact, and, frankly, im not the guy to pass something as fact when i don't know that it is, especially when representing the revolution.

If I had a choice between Romney's and Paul's position in Michigan, I would take Paul's every time. Romney shipped in out-of-staters, there is nothing the campaign can do can counter such dirty tricks.

We will take first in Louisiana too when they finally count those provisional ballots.

 

[pacelli]

well, i sure hope you're right. but regardless.. my point wasn't whether or not we won delegates, it was that we needed to win the straw poll.. sure the media would spin it and marginalize it, but that is the ammo i need when i'm canvassing. a real argument to the "throwin my vote away" response. i won't do the louisianna thing. i don't know it to be fact, and, frankly, im not the guy to pass something as fact when i don't know that it is, especially when representing the revolution.

Best of luck then in however you choose to handle the 'throwin my vote away' response! The free market of canvassing supplies and scripts allows everyone to try different strategies. Since I represent Ron Paul when I canvass, I'll stick with Ron's statement that 'we won Louisiana' and post my results here.