Louisiana mother ordered to pay child support, give full custody to her rapist

[Invisible Man]

There are 10 year old street children that live "on their own." Fair targets for sexual encounters in your book?

No. But I can't imagine them being able to pass themselves off as adults either.

 

[jmdrake]

No. But I can't imagine them being able to pass themselves off as adults either.

Okay. I'll raise it 2 years. 12 year old street kids. [MENTION=982]pcosmar[/MENTION] already talked about a 12 year old that he thought was older than she was. 14? What's the cutoff for you? And I don't mean you personally having sex with her. I mean the cutoff for where you think the man who impregnated her should be able to get full custody of their child over a cell phone.

 

[jmdrake]

If a 10 year old boy can get on hormones and identify as a girl, why can't a 16 year old girl identify as a woman?

LOL. Good one!

 

[acptulsa]

If a 10 year old boy can get on hormones and identify as a girl, why can't a 16 year old girl identify as a woman?

That you, Epstein? So you did survive?

 

[tebowlives]

Okay. I'll raise it 2 years. 12 year old street kids. @pcosmar already talked about a 12 year old that he thought was older than she was. 14? What's the cutoff for you? And I don't mean you personally having sex with her. I mean the cutoff for where you think the man who impregnated her should be able to get full custody of their child over a cell phone.

hahahahaha That you believed it was over a cell phone is proof you lack a thought process. Well the birth mom is an upstanding person with a spotless record but since she wont allow her daughter to have a cell phone, the father gets custody. hahahahahaha Anyone who believes that isn't thinking things through.

 

[jmdrake]

No. Unless I willingly chose to go along with that while I was drunk. Then, yes, my choice to get drunk in the first place doesn't relieve me of the responsibility for that second choice that I made while I was drunk.

If I cause an accident because of drunk driving, saying, "I couldn't help it, I was drunk," is not a valid defense.

This needs to be pointed out. From one of the articles linked to this thread:

In 2015, Abelseth filed a complaint with the Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office against Barnes, alleging he'd raped her on Dec. 13, 2005, after they'd both been drinking at a bar in Hammond. Abelseth told investigators Barnes had offered her a ride home. Instead, she said, he took her to his place in Ponchatoula. "I had woken up on the bathroom floor nude," Abelseth wrote in her statement, saying she was unable to give consent as she was unconscious during the encounter.​

So her allegation is that she was unconscious, not that she was "tipsy" and kinda/sorta consented. That would be akin to you passing out, being taken to a gay bar, and raped without your knowledge or consent. So what facts did the judge in this case have before him before he granted FULL CUSTODY to the rapist?

1) The man, knowingly or unknowingly, violated the statutory rape laws of his state.
2) The woman shouldn't have been in the bar as she was under age.
3) The woman was 16 when this happened and probably wasn't making the most mature decisions. (She says she believed she couldn't report the rape after 24 hours. Some 16 year olds are that clueless.)
4) The woman and the man shared custody of their daughter for several years.
5) The woman gave her teen daughter a cell phone and the man got FULL CUSTODY.

Take point 5. Under what circumstances do you think that's okay? Even if the mom had been 21 at the time of the pregnancy, everyone was sober, full consent was given etc. How do you wrap your mind around the idea that a judge would do something so asinine? And yes, garbage like that happens every day. Usually the victims are men. That doesn't mean their aren't jackass judges that push the scale the other way for no apparent rhyme or reason.

 

[Invisible Man]

This needs to be pointed out. From one of the articles linked to this thread:

In 2015, Abelseth filed a complaint with the Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office against Barnes, alleging he'd raped her on Dec. 13, 2005, after they'd both been drinking at a bar in Hammond. Abelseth told investigators Barnes had offered her a ride home. Instead, she said, he took her to his place in Ponchatoula. "I had woken up on the bathroom floor nude," Abelseth wrote in her statement, saying she was unable to give consent as she was unconscious during the encounter.​

So her allegation is that she was unconscious, not that she was "tipsy" and kinda/sorta consented.

I had not seen that detail. I agree that if that's really what happened, it makes a big difference.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

What was the big deal about a cell phone?

 

[tebowlives]

This needs to be pointed out. From one of the articles linked to this thread:

In 2015, Abelseth filed a complaint with the Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office against Barnes, alleging he'd raped her on Dec. 13, 2005, after they'd both been drinking at a bar in Hammond. Abelseth told investigators Barnes had offered her a ride home. Instead, she said, he took her to his place in Ponchatoula. "I had woken up on the bathroom floor nude," Abelseth wrote in her statement, saying she was unable to give consent as she was unconscious during the encounter.​

So her allegation is that she was unconscious, not that she was "tipsy" and kinda/sorta consented. That would be akin to you passing out, being taken to a gay bar, and raped without your knowledge or consent. So what facts did the judge in this case have before him before he granted FULL CUSTODY to the rapist?

1) The man, knowingly or unknowingly, violated the statutory rape laws of his state.
2) The woman shouldn't have been in the bar as she was under age.
3) The woman was 16 when this happened and probably wasn't making the most mature decisions. (She says she believed she couldn't report the rape after 24 hours. Some 16 year olds are that clueless.)
4) The woman and the man shared custody of their daughter for several years.
5) The woman gave her teen daughter a cell phone and the man got FULL CUSTODY.

Take point 5. Under what circumstances do you think that's okay? Even if the mom had been 21 at the time of the pregnancy, everyone was sober, full consent was given etc. How do you wrap your mind around the idea that a judge would do something so asinine? And yes, garbage like that happens every day. Usually the victims are men. That doesn't mean their aren't jackass judges that push the scale the other way for no apparent rhyme or reason.

She wasn't drunk. She wasn't raped. She consented. Unless you can provide proof otherwise. "She said", isn't proof. btw My "proof" is every bit as good as yours.

He's not a rapist. Always believe the woman, right?

 

[jmdrake]

I had not seen that detail. I agree that if that's really what happened, it makes a big difference.

Cool. We agree. Nothing was "squelched".

What was the big deal about a cell phone?

I have no idea. The judge was a jackass.

 

[pcosmar]

IT WAS RAPE! .

LOL..
Half the girls in 7th grade,, at a Catholic school were sexually active. when I was THAT age.

Carolyn's Mother gave us our first real bed when she was 16..(we had a mattress on the floor).
I took her to Key West on a pot run when she was 15. and a pro. had been active since 12 on the streets of Kansas City.

in my experience,, women are far more predatory.and they learn it sooner.

I am currently kept by two of them,,
same ones that had me beat up and arrested in the Past.

 

[pcosmar]

Not statutory rape.

and "statutory rape' is not rape at all.

I have no idea what happened to that Lolita.. the Guy might have married her..

at 12 she looked 18 to 20.

my Folks thought she was a bit old for me.

 

[GlennwaldSnowdenAssanged]

I would have to think that JM looks at the fact that the guy is proven to be the father, the mother is the mother, and the child was born from a sexual relationship that would have taken place when by state law the mom was too young to consent to. Statutory rape. According to the law consent cannot be given. If he had sexual relations with her and was older by law he raped her.

 

[pcosmar]

Next you will tell me I was wrong for arming a 17 yr old girl,, because I put a Berreta in her purse.

Armed a couple runaways too,,back in the day.

 

[Occam's Banana]

Disagree as vehemently as you like, but please remain civil.

I have deleted several posts in this thread for escalating bickering, insults, and name-calling.

This apparently spilled over into another thread, where I had to do the same, so I'll count both threads as a single occurrence.

But if this continues (here or anywhere else), I will issue infractions to those involved.

 

[jmdrake]

LOL..
Half the girls in 7th grade,, at a Catholic school were sexually active. when I was THAT age.

Carolyn's Mother gave us our first real bed when she was 16..(we had a mattress on the floor).
I took her to Key West on a pot run when she was 15. and a pro. had been active since 12 on the streets of Kansas City.

in my experience,, women are far more predatory.and they learn it sooner.

I am currently kept by two of them,,
same ones that had me beat up and arrested in the Past.

If two 6 year olds decide to play "doctor" with each other most rational people wouldn't think the best option is to put both on a sexual predator list.. So the fact that you were having sex underage with other underage girls is meaningless. But answer this ONE question. Do you think, based on the only facts available, that the father, whether you want to acknowledge him as a rapist or not, deserved full custody over a cell phone? I think you're simply being prejudice in this case as in "pre-judging." The mom wasn't going for full custody. The dad was. I believe if the gender roles were reversed you would have an entirely different take on this matter.

 

[jmdrake]

She wasn't drunk. She wasn't raped. She consented. Unless you can provide proof otherwise. "She said", isn't proof. btw My "proof" is every bit as good as yours.

He's not a rapist. Always believe the woman, right?

I was answering someone who say she didn't even claim it wasn't consensual. That said, one of the fundamental things people get WRONG about the law it to apply the standard for criminal conviction, innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, to EVERYTHING. Dude wasn't on trial for rape. It's a fact that was brought up in the custody battle. Rape versus a cell phone. And legally all witnesses are supposed to be considered credible until proven otherwise. So if she said she woke up unconscious, that's to be believed. If he said "She was unconscious when I left her." That's to be believed. Maybe she passed out after he left? But even HE didn't deny she was drunk. You just made that up.

 

[jmdrake]

Next you will tell me I was wrong for arming a 17 yr old girl,, because I put a Berreta in her purse.

Armed a couple runaways too,,back in the day.

You seem to be taking this VERY personally. I'm not sure why. If that 17 year old girl went and carjacked someone and killed that person, would that bother you? If you had some clue she might do that I would say that would be irresponsible on your part. Hopefully that never happened.

Edit: That said, the best thing to give to a homeless teenager is a home. I did that during the pandemic.

Back to the subject at hand. If you had a teenage daughter and gave her a handgun when under state law she was too young to have one and you were in a custody battle trying to get full custody, and the only thing you had against her mom was she gave your daughter a cell phone....I might not take custody away from you, but I most certainly would not give YOU full custody. If you think I'm wrong in that decision, please explain why.

 

[tebowlives]

I was answering someone who say she didn't even claim it wasn't consensual. That said, one of the fundamental things people get WRONG about the law it to apply the standard for criminal conviction, innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, to EVERYTHING. Dude wasn't on trial for rape. It's a fact that was brought up in the custody battle. Rape versus a cell phone. And legally all witnesses are supposed to be considered credible until proven otherwise. So if she said she woke up unconscious, that's to be believed. If he said "She was unconscious when I left her." That's to be believed. Maybe she passed out after he left? But even HE didn't deny she was drunk. You just made that up.

It wasn't rape and there is no proof so in no way shape or form is it a fact. A fact can be proven. The alleged rape cannot. It is a he said, she said. Innocent until proven guilty in this country. Credibility vs proof. There is no law, none that says the witness HAS to be believed. Substance, context matters.
He said she was drinking. He didn't say she was drunk.

You are entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts.
If you want to make it about age being what determines consent that is different. In Louisiana it is 17, if it happened in Mississippi it's 16.

You seem to be taking this VERY personally. Probably because you said you were a victim.

 

[tebowlives]

If two 6 year olds decide to play "doctor" with each other most rational people wouldn't think the best option is to put both on a sexual predator list.. So the fact that you were having sex underage with other underage girls is meaningless. But answer this ONE question. Do you think, based on the only facts available, that the father, whether you want to acknowledge him as a rapist or not, deserved full custody over a cell phone? I think you're simply being prejudice in this case as in "pre-judging." The mom wasn't going for full custody. The dad was. I believe if the gender roles were reversed you would have an entirely different take on this matter.

https://meaww.com/louisiana-man-joh...belseth-and-their-daughter-denies-allegations


"I suspect drugs were used by him to sedate me as I was unable to move while he raped me," said Abesleth, before adding in her statement, "Now it is alleged that he has committed the same heinous crime on our 15-year-old daughter." On March 18, the allegations were dismissed by the court, which found that "medical evidence does not support allegations in the petition". - She's not credible

"This is the first time that Cache says Abelseth mentioned that Barnes had raped her since the custody proceedings began in 2011." - My how convenient

"Barnes told Fox Digital that he grew frustrated that Abelseth continued to encourage a relationship between ex-con Threeton and the child, taking the girl to see him in prison. "She was undermining my relationship with my daughter, teaching my daughter that she has two dads," Barnes said. A judge later ruled that the child could have no contact with Threeton. He further accused Abelsleth of violating their custody agreement for allowing different men to sleep over at her home in presence of their daughter."

"She had three husbands in six years and it wasn’t healthy."

"And, in May 2015, Barnes filed a petition for sole custody of their daughter, accusing Abelseth of continuing to foster a relationship between her daughter and Threeton and having men stay overnight at the home when the daughter was present. "

"In December 2020, Barnes again filed for full custody, accusing Abelseth of allowing their daughter, then 14, to "make out" with her 17-year-old boyfriend in her room unsupervised. He also accused Abelseth of providing their daughter with a second cellphone with unfettered access to social media when she already had one with parental controls that he had given her. Barnes won the custody by accusing Abelseth of buying a cellphone for their 16-year-old daughter, which Barnes said the teenager was using to 'sext' her boyfriend and post sexually explicit TikToks."

Proof it wasn't over a cell phone and that she's a serial liar who is unfit to have custody.