Louisiana mother ordered to pay child support, give full custody to her rapist

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We understand what the law is. Granted I'm not the one defending it, you are.
You going to champion the 3 strike law or back in the day would you be for enforcing Jim Crow? Well after all, it's the law.

Jim Crow was inherently immoral. Telling someone he shouldn't have sex with a drunk woman in a bathroom if he hasn't gotten to know the woman enough to know whether or not she's over 18 isn't inherently immoral. Even with a fake ID, if he had taken the time to know the object of his sexual desire before banging her he could have found out she was under 18. He chose to pleasure himself at the moment. I disagree with the law, but I don't find it inherently immoral. Likewise I disagree with 3 strikes laws but I don't find them inherently immoral. Someone who has two strikes and then chooses to commit another crime is taking a stupid risk. Britney Griner, the WNBA star that went to Russia with her medical marijuana oil and got busted right before the war started, took a stupid risk. I disagree with Russia's law, but it's not inherently immoral the way Jim Crow was. There is a saying. If you live in a glass house, don't throw stones. If in your younger years you were being a male whore (having bathroom sex with someone you just met) and it turns out your whoring was actually illegal, you probably shouldn't throw stones at your now adult baby's mama letting men sleep over (legal), being married multiple times (legal), letting your 14 y/o daughter make out (not have sex) with her 17 y/o boyfriend (legal), letting your 14 y/o daughter post non-pornographic, but sexually suggestive, videos on TikTok (legal), and "sexting" said 17 y/o boyfriend (unless she was sending nudes which the article does not say, that's still legal).

As [MENTION=9064]Ender[/MENTION] pointed out, all of this could be better handled without involving the courts. First, if you don't want to have to share custody with a woman that makes whorish decisions, then do the traditional thing and save sex for *gasp* marriage. If the sweet virgin church girl you had a baby with leaves you and starts acting whorish (and I know of a case where that happened) then you have a right to complain. Otherwise you got what you should have been expecting. Then if you get divorced, try to work out as much as you can in the parenting plan.

One more thing about Jim Crow. Rosa Parks was not the first black woman to refuse to give up her seat on the bus. But the other black woman (women?) before her had record(s). I you plan to get into a tangle with the legal system expect your past to come up. If your past coming up can put you in legal jeopardy, maybe you shouldn't fight that battle.
 
LMAO Yea I can see it now as you two post sexually explicit TikToks." together. You seem to be okay with it. That's sick.I can just imagine the sick double dating now.

What were the two sexually explicit TikToks I posted? I don't even know how to post TikToks on here. :confused: What were these sexually explicit TikToks that you said I posted, which I don't even know how to post, talking about? I know AF posted something from TikTok that was shown on news stations that I found disturbing but not pornographic.

He didn't force her, she knew what she was doing. The truth over your government approved tyranny any day.

She didn't force any of the men she slept with to sleep with her. You didn't accuse her of rape. You accused her of being "slutty." You can't accuse of her of being "slutty" and then turn around and give the dad a pass on something that was both slutty and illegal. You don't want government tyranny unless it's being used against women. Take away the mom's parental rights for being "slutty" while giving the dad a 100% pass for being a whore himself. If the dad hadn't been a whore along with the mom then they wouldn't even have a child together and be in this mess. But he did. And in doing so he broke the law. And then he tried to bring the law down on the head of the mom. For a while the judge agreed, then after the judge got public pressure he reversed himself. Now the dad's being investigated for rape and based on all of the public pressure, because public pressure drives some prosecutions (ask Bill Cosby), him could very well get convicted. No clear winners hear. Stupid move on dad's part. He should have kept it in his pants and failing to do that lived with the fact that he ended up with a slut for his child's mother.
 
Jim Crow was inherently immoral. Telling someone he shouldn't have sex with a drunk woman in a bathroom if he hasn't gotten to know the woman enough to know whether or not she's over 18 isn't inherently immoral. Even with a fake ID, if he had taken the time to know the object of his sexual desire before banging her he could have found out she was under 18. He chose to pleasure himself at the moment. I disagree with the law, but I don't find it inherently immoral. Likewise I disagree with 3 strikes laws but I don't find them inherently immoral. Someone who has two strikes and then chooses to commit another crime is taking a stupid risk. Britney Griner, the WNBA star that went to Russia with her medical marijuana oil and got busted right before the war started, took a stupid risk. I disagree with Russia's law, but it's not inherently immoral the way Jim Crow was. There is a saying. If you live in a glass house, don't throw stones. If in your younger years you were being a male whore (having bathroom sex with someone you just met) and it turns out your whoring was actually illegal, you probably shouldn't throw stones at your now adult baby's mama letting men sleep over (legal), being married multiple times (legal), letting your 14 y/o daughter make out (not have sex) with her 17 y/o boyfriend (legal), letting your 14 y/o daughter post non-pornographic, but sexually suggestive, videos on TikTok (legal), and "sexting" said 17 y/o boyfriend (unless she was sending nudes which the article does not say, that's still legal).

As @Ender pointed out, all of this could be better handled without involving the courts. First, if you don't want to have to share custody with a woman that makes whorish decisions, then do the traditional thing and save sex for *gasp* marriage. If the sweet virgin church girl you had a baby with leaves you and starts acting whorish (and I know of a case where that happened) then you have a right to complain. Otherwise you got what you should have been expecting. Then if you get divorced, try to work out as much as you can in the parenting plan.

One more thing about Jim Crow. Rosa Parks was not the first black woman to refuse to give up her seat on the bus. But the other black woman (women?) before her had record(s). I you plan to get into a tangle with the legal system expect your past to come up. If your past coming up can put you in legal jeopardy, maybe you shouldn't fight that battle.
In your long winded, deflection of a post I want to thank you for proving my point on your current hypocrisy. Tyranny is only bad when it's done TO you.
 
What were the two sexually explicit TikToks I posted? I don't even know how to post TikToks on here. :confused: What were these sexually explicit TikToks that you said I posted, which I don't even know how to post, talking about? I know AF posted something from TikTok that was shown on news stations that I found disturbing but not pornographic.
No one said you did
Again, it's not about pornographic, it's about sexually explicit TikToks. Not that you care about the truth as you deflect.
You okay with her dressing up the child in sexually provocative clothes too?


She didn't force any of the men she slept with to sleep with her. You didn't accuse her of rape. You accused her of being "slutty." You can't accuse of her of being "slutty" and then turn around and give the dad a pass on something that was both slutty and illegal.
Again because it's not about the dad, it's about the repulsive behavior of the mother. Behavior which you don't care about. It's sick

You don't want government tyranny unless it's being used against women.
make something else up because you don't have a leg to stand on.

Take away the mom's parental rights for being "slutty" while giving the dad a 100% pass for being a whore himself. If the dad hadn't been a whore along with the mom then they wouldn't even have a child together and be in this mess. But he did. And in doing so he broke the law. And then he tried to bring the law down on the head of the mom. For a while the judge agreed, then after the judge got public pressure he reversed himself. Now the dad's being investigated for rape and based on all of the public pressure, because public pressure drives some prosecutions (ask Bill Cosby), him could very well get convicted.
It wasn't necessarily public pressure although that did bring attention to it. It was about how it wasn't brought up in the first place.
And he could very well get convicted based on nothing more than age. However no one should support government tyranny.
We know for a fact she lied about her age and she lied about the daughter being drugged and raped by the dad. She's a serial liar and the smart move is to doubt her hearsay.

No clear winners hear. Stupid move on dad's part. He should have kept it in his pants and failing to do that lived with the fact that he ended up with a slut for his child's mother.
Not too far off base here. Even if she was a year older and legal, he shouldnt have had sex with her. Because something is legal doesn't mean one should do it.
But it's about the ongoing actions of the emotional unstable mother. She's not being railroaded and needs help.
 
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I looked this up since I thought there wasn't a statue of limitations on sex with a minor. Tried to figure out why the father would put himself in this pickle. The smart move would be to not upset the skank mother.
Now I know it varies state to state.

"In Louisiana, the statute of limitations for forcible rape, carnal knowledge, sexual battery and other such sex crimes against victims who are younger than 17 years old is 10 years. However, the clock does not start until the victim turns 18."

Knowing this, what reason would the father receive jail time?
 
In your long winded, deflection of a post I want to thank you for proving my point on your current hypocrisy. Tyranny is only bad when it's done TO you.

In other words, you know you're full of crap. Here's the cliff notes version since reading is not your strong point. There is NO honest correlation between Jim Crow and statutory rape laws. Jim Crow punishes MORAL behavior. That's why they were open to attack through civil disobedience. Good MORAL people could, in good conscience, violate Jim Crow laws by drinking at white only water fountains and refusing to give up their seats on a bus. Statutory rape laws punish inherently IMMORAL behavior. Having a one night stand with a woman that clearly is much younger than you, has been drinking and you really know nothing about except she's hot is IMMORAL behavior. Yes we've all done IMMORAL things. And those IMMORAL things have consequences. The consequences of this IMMORAL behavior for this man is that he had a baby by a woman who's lifestyle he doesn't like, and based on the laws of his state he could become a convicted rapist. If you don't understand the difference between laws that may be unfair but punish IMMORAL behavior and laws that punish MORAL behavior then you are sorely lacking in the ethics department.
 
No one said you did
Again, it's not about pornographic, it's about sexually explicit TikToks. Not that you care about the truth as you deflect.
You okay with her dressing up the child in sexually provocative clothes too?

You said "LMAO Yea I can see it now as you two post sexually explicit TikToks." together. You seem to be okay with it. That's sick.I can just imagine the sick double dating now." So you threw out an accusation based on nothing and then pulled it back. Okay. Let's be clear. I don't even have a TikTok account. And I no more approve of anybody posting anything on TikTok than you approve of a man giving a woman he knows has been drinking a ride home....to his house and then having sex with her. Or...maybe you do approve of that. Maybe you've done that. I don't know. You seem to be adamant that laws which punish said behavior when it turns out the drunk woman was actually under age are "tyrannical" and "akin to Jim Crow" even though (I think) you are against such behavior? Or maybe you support such behavior? I mean, if you REALLY think that my insistence that these "sexually explicit TikTok videos" (which haven't even been defined) are a reason for the law to terminate parental rights means somehow that I'm all for posting sexually explicit TikTok videos, then by your own TWISTED logic, you support having sex with drunk women you don't know that are much, much older than you. Here's something about drunk people. Even when the "consent", sometimes they don't have a freaking clue about what they are doing. I've never been drunk. But I've been around a lot of drunk people as an Uber/Lyft driver. I once got a phone number from a really hot lady who liked how nice and polite I was. I sent her a text the next day. She didn't respond. I know why. She probably didn't even remember giving me her number. Drunk sex is dangerous. You might catch HIV. You might get a woman you don't particularly like pregnant. You might find yourself afoul of statutory rape laws. It's like drunk driving. You didn't mean to hit that pedestrian but...

Again because it's not about the dad, it's about the repulsive behavior of the mother. Behavior which you don't care about. It's sick

No it's not. It's about a politically connected father who manipulated the system. See:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/woman-forced-give-up-daughter-rapist-pay-child-support

"He's well-connected," Abelseth said. "He's threatened me multiple times, saying he has connections in the justice system, so I better be careful, and he can take her away anytime he wants to. I didn't believe him until it happened."

Earlier this year, Louisiana Judge Jeffrey Cashe granted Barnes full custody after the father alleged that Abelseth gave the teen a cellphone, which she denied. The judge, of the 21st Judicial District Court in Louisiana, also ordered Abelseth to pay her alleged abuser child support.

It's not uncommon in today's world for men or women to get married 3 times in 6 years. I did a divorce for one man who called me back a couple of years later because he needed to divorced from his next wife. I passed on that one. I don't condone that behavior. But unlike you I don't think he should have lost his kids over that. Or maybe you don't think that. You have no moral consistency. You think laws that punish men who through their immoral acts accidentally commit statutory rape are "tyrannical" and "equal to Jim Crow." But then you're okay with a court taking away a mother's parental rights based on her having three husbands in six years, allowing men to sleep over, and wanting her daughter to have a relationship with a felon (the biological dad may soon become a felon too). The funny thing is, the court did NOT terminate parental rights for any of that behavior. It wasn't until the alleged cell phone became an issue along with the TikTok videos and making out with the 17 year old that the mom lost custody. I've pointed that out to you but you ignored that fact.

make something else up because you don't have a leg to stand on.

I haven't made anything up. You made up the accusation that I'm for posting sexually explicit TikTok videos. You made up the accusation that I support the mom's behavior just because I don't think there should be legal consequences to it. You support legal consequences for the mom's behavior. You think the legal consequences for the dad's behavior is "tyrannical" and comparable to "Jim Crow." Those are your words. Own them.

It wasn't necessarily public pressure although that did bring attention to it. It was about how it wasn't brought up in the first place.

R Kelly is in prison over allegations that weren't brought up in the first place despite there being physical evidence that they were true. Should he be released, yes or no? Here's the details of his convictions.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/r-kelly-convicted-all-counts-federal-jury-brooklyn

Note that one count was for him filming pornographic videos of underage women on VHS cameras. You know how long ago it was that VHS was popular? The years listed range from 2009 to 2018. He wasn't convicted until 2021. One of his victims initially denied it was her on the video tape even though her family said it was her. I don't know if she still maintains that our not. He repeated the behavior enough times so that there were plenty of victims. I knew about his crimes back when they first happened. But he didn't get convicted until "Surviving R. Kelly" came out and put public pressure on the issue.

And what statute of limitations do you think there should be for rape statutory or otherwise? 24 hours? A week? A month? A year? What about when the alleged rapist is politically connected and can manipulate the system as in this case? What about Jeffrey Epstein? His convictions included convictions for rape that happened years before. Sorry but the "It can't be rape if you don't bring it up immediately" defense just doesn't fly, especially in this case where the basic facts are already admitted. And in this case the mom DID bring it up years ago! An investigation was started in 2015. There aren't any facts in dispute to get a conviction. And I don't buy the argument, if you're going to make it, that Louisiana is just some pseudo libertarian state that doesn't want to prosecute its own statutory rape laws, especially considering the fact that the judge, before he changed his mind, was going to take the un-libertarian position that a cell phone used to post whatever it is that TikTok allows you to post (which isn't porn), and to contact your 17 year old boyfriend when you're 14, and making out with said 17 year old boyfriend, means your mom loses her parental rights. It's also un-libertarian to take the position that 3 husbands in 6 years and an unmarried person having sleepovers with adults is grounds for terminating parental rights ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE JUDGE DIDN'T TERMINATE THE MOM'S PARENTAL RIGHTS WHEN THOSE ALLEGATIONS FIRST CAME UP!

And he could very well get convicted based on nothing more than age. However no one should support government tyranny.

Yet you support the government tyranny of terminating parental rights over legal behavior that the judge didn't even use as a reason for terminating parental rights. :rolleyes: You support terminating parental rights over objectionable videos on TikTok. :rolleyes:

We know for a fact she lied about her age and she lied about the daughter being drugged and raped by the dad. She's a serial liar and the smart move is to doubt her hearsay.

All we know is that the medical evidence didn't prove the daughter was drugged. The story doesn't tell us how long it took after the last alleged sexual encounter with dad was the test done or how the test was done. The date rape drug GHB is only in urine for 24 hours and can only be detected in hair for up to a month.

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/ghb-abused/how-long-in-system

And it's not unusual for child rape victims especially to not be immediately forth coming. Remember, one of R. Kelly's victims denied she was the one on video.

Also the date rape drug ketamine causes transient amnesia, meaning it goes away.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32317201/

So a victim might only remember a sexual assault some time later.

Not too far off base here. Even if she was a year older and legal, he shouldnt have had sex with her. Because something is legal doesn't mean one should do it.
But it's about the ongoing actions of the emotional unstable mother. She's not being railroaded and needs help.

She was CLEARLY being railroaded by a politically connected father. And he's a pot calling a kettle black. I doubt that was the first time or the last time he's had drunk sex with a much younger woman. Her emotional well being, that you've put such an emphasis on, had nothing to do with the order terminating parental rights. It was the cellphone and how it was being used. (Posting videos that were not pornographic since TikTok doesn't allow porn and contacting the 17 year old boyfriend).

Edit: But I'm glad you at least can admit that drunk sex with a much younger woman is not a good thing to do. Which means that laws that punish such behavior are not the same as laws that punish drinking from the wrong water fountain (Jim Crow). What is odd is that you're simultaneously in favor of a judge essentially punishing legal behavior. And because I don't think the legal behavior should be punished by terminating parental rights, you think I condone it. That's what's not making sense. And most of the legal behavior your complaining about did NOT result in the termination of parental rights. It's just when the cell phone argument came up that the parental rights were terminated until public pressure convinced the judge in question that he screwed up.
 
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In other words, you know you're full of crap. Here's the cliff notes version since reading is not your strong point. There is NO honest correlation between Jim Crow and statutory rape laws. Jim Crow punishes MORAL behavior. That's why they were open to attack through civil disobedience. Good MORAL people could, in good conscience, violate Jim Crow laws by drinking at white only water fountains and refusing to give up their seats on a bus. Statutory rape laws punish inherently IMMORAL behavior. Having a one night stand with a woman that clearly is much younger than you, has been drinking and you really know nothing about except she's hot is IMMORAL behavior. Yes we've all done IMMORAL things. And those IMMORAL things have consequences. The consequences of this IMMORAL behavior for this man is that he had a baby by a woman who's lifestyle he doesn't like, and based on the laws of his state he could become a convicted rapist. If you don't understand the difference between laws that may be unfair but punish IMMORAL behavior and laws that punish MORAL behavior then you are sorely lacking in the ethics department.
Talk about being a hypocrite. In other words you're okay with government tyranny when it suits you. Understood. Government isn't moral. Have you learned nothing? rhetorical
 
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The person making the mountain over the molehill is the dad. He's the one that went for full custody because his teenage daughter was making out with a teenage boy when he had sex with her drunk teenage mother when he was a grown ass man.

The judge agreed with his position
 
This thread has gone about as far as it can usefully go.

Farther than that, actually.

Closing.
 
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