Louisiana mother ordered to pay child support, give full custody to her rapist

[jmdrake]

When I was in High school I was dating a girl that was younger (didn't know it)..never did get together with her,, but she wanted to.

After we broke up,, I heard she turned 12 and was dating a Guy in the Air Force,, he had a car.

Objection. Fact not in evidence. Witness neither stated that a twelve year old should be given permission to have sex, nor that most or all are unable to operate the Tik Tok app.

LOL. Okay. If we're going with legal formalities my response to your objection would be "Witness opened the door to questioning about 12 year olds and sex by bringing up a 12 year old wanting to have sex with him and later dating some dude in the Air Force. And there is no relevance to whether most 12 year olds can operate TikTok as the teen in question is in this case 14 and obviously can operate TikTok."

Edit: Okay. I see that I specifically asked about 12 year olds and TikTok. I would ask this Court to take judicial notice of the fact that there are a LOT of 12 year olds on TikTok and it doesn't matter whether most 12 year olds use TikTok or not as it's clearly in the capability of less than genius level 12 year olds.

 

[pcosmar]

And....you're working about TikTok. Okay.

Nope, Do you?
I have no problem with parents limiting their kids access to the Filth of the Internet.

Have advocated parental Filters.

at least this one tried.. most can't be bothered about what the kid is doing.

 

[tebowlives]

Like you JUST quoted me saying: That sleezy mother let her 14 year old daughter kiss a 17 year old boy and post videos of herself twerking on TikTok. Take away that mom's parental rights!"

Not porn. TikTok. Not sex with a grown man. Making out with another teenager and contacting said teenager through a cell phone. No sane person would say that justifies taking away parental rights.

And they didn't say that was the reason. It was part of the reason. That has been explained multiple times and everyone reading this thread, but you fully understands that.

 

[acptulsa]

LOL. Okay. If we're going with legal formalities...

In the interests of full disclosure, I'm not a lawyer. But I told one once how to get me off on constitutional grounds ("Wow, that did work"), and another time thumped an attorney in small claims court.

Never played one on TV, though.

 

[jmdrake]

In the interests of full disclosure, I'm not a lawyer. But I told one once how to get me off on constitutional grounds ("Wow, that did work"), and another time thumped an attorney in small claims court.

Never played one on TV, though.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again.

 

[jmdrake]

Nope, Do you?
I have no problem with parents limiting their kids access to the Filth of the Internet.

Have advocated parental Filters.

at least this one tried.. most can't be bothered about what the kid is doing.

This mother almost lost her kid over TikTok videos an unrestricted cell phone, and her 14 year old daughter kissing a 17 year old. That's just stupid on the judges part.

And they didn't say that was the reason. It was part of the reason. That has been explained multiple times and everyone reading this thread, but you fully understands that.

Parse it however you want. The judge's reason, and the dad's reason, was a stupid reason and the dad was being hypocritical. Pretty much everyone but you agrees with that at this point.

 

[tebowlives]

This mother almost lost her kid over TikTok videos an unrestricted cell phone, and her 14 year old daughter kissing a 17 year old. That's just stupid on the judges part.

Again

"I suspect drugs were used by him to sedate me as I was unable to move while he raped me," said Abesleth, before adding in her statement, "Now it is alleged that he has committed the same heinous crime on our 15-year-old daughter." On March 18, the allegations were dismissed by the court, which found that "medical evidence does not support allegations in the petition". - She's not credible

"This is the first time that Cache says Abelseth mentioned that Barnes had raped her since the custody proceedings began in 2011." - My how convenient

"Barnes told Fox Digital that he grew frustrated that Abelseth continued to encourage a relationship between ex-con Threeton and the child, taking the girl to see him in prison. "She was undermining my relationship with my daughter, teaching my daughter that she has two dads," Barnes said. A judge later ruled that the child could have no contact with Threeton. He further accused Abelsleth of violating their custody agreement for allowing different men to sleep over at her home in presence of their daughter."

"She had three husbands in six years and it wasn’t healthy."

"And, in May 2015, Barnes filed a petition for sole custody of their daughter, accusing Abelseth of continuing to foster a relationship between her daughter and Threeton and having men stay overnight at the home when the daughter was present. "

"In December 2020, Barnes again filed for full custody, accusing Abelseth of allowing their daughter, then 14, to "make out" with her 17-year-old boyfriend in her room unsupervised. He also accused Abelseth of providing their daughter with a second cellphone with unfettered access to social media when she already had one with parental controls that he had given her. Barnes won the custody by accusing Abelseth of buying a cellphone for their 16-year-old daughter, which Barnes said the teenager was using to 'sext' her boyfriend and post sexually explicit TikToks."

Proof it wasn't over a cell phone or a 14 year old having a 17 year old boyfriend. She's a serial liar who is unfit to have custody.

Parse it however you want. The judge's reason, and the dad's reason, was a stupid reason and the dad was being hypocritical. Pretty much everyone but you agrees with that at this point.

They were excellent reasons to take custody away from the slutty mother. Pretty much everyone but you agrees with that point.

 

[asurfaholic]

OMFG! People react to trauma different ways! You have NO clue as to what the hell you are talking about! I was molested as a child and I blocked it out of my mind until the molester apologized years later. And you and [MENTION=982]pcosmar[/MENTION] are full of crap talking about her trying to shut this man out of her daughter's life. HE WAS THE ONE GOING FOR FULL CUSTODY! This isn't a "if it was rape" case. IT WAS RAPE! There is NO denying that fact. The POS that did this to her can't deny the fact. Saying "I didn't know she was only 16" doesn't change the fact that it was rape. I hope you don't have a daughter.

I know how the law works, and I understand the legal definition of rape and how consent works and when it cannot be obtained.

I again appeal to the notion that she’s making mountains of what was clearly molehills to her until he came after her own ability to be a mother. Then she weaponized her own sexual decisions in order to garner support and emotional responses to her loss of custody.

This does not pass the sniff test for what you described as a “traumatic” event.

I was also abused. I displayed the signs so clearly after a particularly bad event that my 3rd grade teacher sent me to the guidance counselor who pressed me on it and got the truth and my step dad was immediately summoned to and charged by the Navy where he was a high ranking officer.

At her age, she was happily pretending to be an adult and it’s only now when her world is getting turned upside down by the rest of the story which is not reported that she suddenly has a problem with it. Just another #metoo moment, #believeher crap. Just my gut and I could be wrong.

 

[jmdrake]

I know how the law works, and I understand the legal definition of rape and how consent works and when it cannot be obtained.

I again appeal to the notion that she’s making mountains of what was clearly molehills to her until he came after her own ability to be a mother. Then she weaponized her own sexual decisions in order to garner support and emotional responses to her loss of custody.

This does not pass the sniff test for what you described as a “traumatic” event.

I was also abused. I displayed the signs so clearly after a particularly bad event that my 3rd grade teacher sent me to the guidance counselor who pressed me on it and got the truth and my step dad was immediately summoned to and charged by the Navy where he was a high ranking officer.

At her age, she was happily pretending to be an adult and it’s only now when her world is getting turned upside down by the rest of the story which is not reported that she suddenly has a problem with it. Just another #metoo moment, #believeher crap. Just my gut and I could be wrong.

The person making the mountain over the molehill is the dad. He's the one that went for full custody because his teenage daughter was making out with a teenage boy when he had sex with her drunk teenage mother when he was a grown ass man.

 

[tebowlives]

The person making the mountain over the molehill is the dad. He's the one that went for full custody because his teenage daughter was making out with a teenage boy when he had sex with her drunk teenage mother when he was a grown ass man.

That's not the reason and everyone here but you agrees with that.

 

[jmdrake]

Work on your reading.

Again

"I suspect drugs were used by him to sedate me as I was unable to move while he raped me," said Abesleth, before adding in her statement, "Now it is alleged that he has committed the same heinous crime on our 15-year-old daughter." On March 18, the allegations were dismissed by the court, which found that "medical evidence does not support allegations in the petition". - She's not credible

Those were the allegations that the dad was sexually abusing the daughter. That has NOTHING to do with what happened to the mom. The medical evidence is indisputable that the mom was 16 at the time, rape under Louisiana law, and that she had been drinking. What's in dispute is whether or not she was passed out when he had sex with her. Now he's freaking out because his daughter is making out with a 17 year old, which is totally legal, and post non pornographic videos on TikTok. (By definition TikTok doesn't allow porn. Not everything that is sexually suggestive is porn).

Also lack of medical evidence doesn't prove the mom lied. Sometimes there is no medical evidence of molestation even though it happens. Please read this paper before you respond again so you can have some clue as to what you are talking about.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1881730/

Legal proof of child sexual abuse in the absence of physical evidence
A R De Jong 1, M Rose
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PMID: 1881730
Abstract
Child sexual abuse criminal court cases from a 12-month period were reviewed to determine the frequency and significance of physical evidence in legally "proven" felony cases with penetration. One hundred fifteen consecutive cases were reviewed, and 87 (76%) had resulted in conviction of the perpetrator on felony charges. Charges of vaginal rape were made in 88 cases, and oral and/or anal sodomy in 67 cases. Physical evidence was present in only 23% of all cases that resulted in felony convictions. Felony convictions were obtained in 67 (79%) of 85 cases without physical evidence and in only 20 (67%) of 30 cases with physical evidence. Eight of the 10 cases without physical evidence that did not result in conviction involved victims younger than 7 years of age. Cases involving the youngest victims had a significantly lower conviction rate (12 of 23), despite a very high frequency (13 of 23) of physical evidence (P less than .0005). Physical evidence was neither predictive nor essential for conviction. Successful prosecution, particularly in cases involving the youngest victims, depended on the quality of the verbal evidence and the effectiveness of the child victim's testimony.
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"This is the first time that Cache says Abelseth mentioned that Barnes had raped her since the custody proceedings began in 2011." - My how convenient

And under the law, he had. By his admission of the facts, he had. Maybe you agree with Whoopi Goldberg that Roman Polansky didn't "rape - rape" that 13 year old girl that he gave alcohol to and then had sex with. You can get a job on the view if you change your gender.

"Barnes told Fox Digital that he grew frustrated that Abelseth continued to encourage a relationship between ex-con Threeton and the child, taking the girl to see him in prison. "She was undermining my relationship with my daughter, teaching my daughter that she has two dads," Barnes said. A judge later ruled that the child could have no contact with Threeton. He further accused Abelsleth of violating their custody agreement for allowing different men to sleep over at her home in presence of their daughter."

None of that is actually illegal nor should it be.

"She had three husbands in six years and it wasn’t healthy."

Not illegal nor should it be.

"And, in May 2015, Barnes filed a petition for sole custody of their daughter, accusing Abelseth of continuing to foster a relationship between her daughter and Threeton and having men stay overnight at the home when the daughter was present. "

Not illegal nor should it be. The dad under Louisiana law might soon be a felon. Dumb move on his part.

"In December 2020, Barnes again filed for full custody, accusing Abelseth of allowing their daughter, then 14, to "make out" with her 17-year-old boyfriend in her room unsupervised. He also accused Abelseth of providing their daughter with a second cellphone with unfettered access to social media when she already had one with parental controls that he had given her. Barnes won the custody by accusing Abelseth of buying a cellphone for their 16-year-old daughter, which Barnes said the teenager was using to 'sext' her boyfriend and post sexually explicit TikToks."

And ^that is really the only part relevant to this discussion. That's what's in the petition where the mom temporarily lost full custody. Again, reading if fundamental.

Proof it wasn't over a cell phone or a 14 year old having a 17 year old boyfriend. She's a serial liar who is unfit to have custody.

She didn't lie about the dad being a rapist. And he may now soon become a felon. And there's no proof that she lied about the sexual abuse of the daughter. Sometimes there is no physical evidence of molestation.

 

[jmdrake]

That's not the reason and everyone here but you agrees with that.

You should read this before attempting to respond because you don't know what you are talking about.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1881730/

 

[tebowlives]

Work on your reading.

Work on caring about the truth instead of trying to be right.

Those were the allegations that the dad was sexually abusing the daughter. That has NOTHING to do with what happened to the mom.The medical evidence is indisputable that the mom was 16 at the time, rape under Louisiana law, and that she had been drinking. What's in dispute is whether or not she was passed out when he had sex with her.

it's not about what happened to the mom. That you make it about that is deflection.

Now he's freaking out because his daughter is making out with a 17 year old, which is totally legal, and post non pornographic videos on TikTok. (By definition TikTok doesn't allow porn. Not everything that is sexually suggestive is porn).

which Barnes said the teenager was using to 'sext' her boyfriend and post sexually explicit TikToks."

Also lack of medical evidence doesn't prove the mom lied. Sometimes there is no medical evidence of molestation even though it happens. Please read this paper before you respond again so you can have some clue as to what you are talking about.

lack of evidence proves the mother is not credible. get a clue about the truth before you spew nonsense again.

And under the law, he had. By his admission of the facts, he had. Maybe you agree with Whoopi Goldberg that Roman Polansky didn't "rape - rape" that 13 year old girl that he gave alcohol to and then had sex with. You can get a job on the view if you change your gender.

It's not about him. Maybe you agree with the perverted who frequented Epsteins island that it's okay for a 14 year old to fool around with a 17 year old and post sexually explicit TikToks." I hope you never have a daughter.

None of that is actually illegal nor should it be.

Not illegal nor should it be.
Not illegal nor should it be. The dad under Louisiana law might soon be a felon. Dumb move on his part.

because you're okay with minors being around a whorish mom. Gee do you think the daughter is learning from the mom. I hope you never have a daughter.

And ^that is really the only part relevant to this discussion. That's what's in the petition where the mom temporarily lost full custody. Again, reading if fundamental.

Again that is not the only relevant part That is one of things in the petition. Again, caring about the truth is fundamental

She didn't lie about the dad being a rapist. And he may now soon become a felon. And there's no proof that she lied about the sexual abuse of the daughter. Sometimes there is no physical evidence of molestation.

Again - "I suspect drugs were used by him to sedate me as I was unable to move while he raped me," said Abesleth, before adding in her statement, "Now it is alleged that he has committed the same heinous crime on our 15-year-old daughter." On March 18, the allegations were dismissed by the court, which found that "medical evidence does not support allegations in the petition". - She's not credible

I hope you never have a daughter.

 

[jmdrake]

Relevant to this entire discussion:

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/louisiana-statutory-rape-laws.htm

Mistake as to the Child's Age

In Louisiana, as in most states, it is not a defense to a charge of carnal knowledge of a juvenile, aggravated rape, indecent behavior with a juvenile, or sexual battery that the defendant did not know that the child was underage. This is so even if the child lied about his or her age or looked older. (La. Rev. Stat. Ann. §§ 14:42, 14:43.1, 14:80, 14:80.1 14:81 (2018).)​

I'm not saying that's what the law should be. I'm saying that's what it is.

 

[tebowlives]

You should read this before attempting to respond because you don't know what you are talking about.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1881730/

I don't take advice from someone who thinks it's okay to raise a daughter around a whorish mom. A mom who doesn't care about parenting her child. Keep deflecting from the whorish mom and making things up. Everyone here can see it.

 

[jmdrake]

I hope you never have a daughter.

I'd be a better dad than you would be. You would excuse her rapist and then turn around and demand she give him full custody over their child for legal behavior you deemed slutty.

 

[jmdrake]

I don't take advice from someone who thinks it's okay to raise a daughter around a whorish mom. A mom who doesn't care about parenting her child. Keep deflecting from the whorish mom and making things up. Everyone here can see it.

But you think it's okay for a 30 year old to have sex with a drunk 16 year old? You don't think that's whorish on the part of the dad? You're sick.

Edit: And I didn't ask you to take my advice. I gave you facts about so called "lack of medical evidence" in rape cases.

 

[tebowlives]

Relevant to this entire discussion:

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/louisiana-statutory-rape-laws.htm

Mistake as to the Child's Age

In Louisiana, as in most states, it is not a defense to a charge of carnal knowledge of a juvenile, aggravated rape, indecent behavior with a juvenile, or sexual battery that the defendant did not know that the child was underage. This is so even if the child lied about his or her age or looked older. (La. Rev. Stat. Ann. §§ 14:42, 14:43.1, 14:80, 14:80.1 14:81 (2018).)​

I'm not saying that's what the law should be. I'm saying that's what it is.

We understand what the law is. Granted I'm not the one defending it, you are.
You going to champion the 3 strike law or back in the day would you be for enforcing Jim Crow? Well after all, it's the law.

 

[tebowlives]

But you think it's okay for a 30 year old to have sex with a drunk 16 year old? You don't think that's whorish on the part of the dad? You're sick.

I never said I did and you have no proof. Not that you care about the truth or facts. Everyone here can see it.

That you think it's okay for that child to be around the whorish mom who thinks it's okay to post sexually explicit TikToks is repulsive.

 

[tebowlives]

I'd be a better dad than you would be.

LMAO Yea I can see it now as you two post sexually explicit TikToks." together. You seem to be okay with it. That's sick.I can just imagine the sick double dating now.

You would excuse her rapist and then turn around and demand she give him full custody over their child for legal behavior you deemed slutty.

He didn't force her, she knew what she was doing. The truth over your government approved tyranny any day.

Something that happened over a lie the birth mother told 15 years ago vs the last 15 years of repulsive deviant behavior by the mom.