Local German conservatives cause uproar with call for talks with far right

[Swordsmyth]

A group of eastern German conservatives have caused outrage within Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats (CDU) and among Jewish groups by demanding the party hold talks with the far right in the eastern state of Thuringia.The Alternative for Germany (AfD), which has capitalized on anti-immigrant sentiment since the 2015 migrant crisis, came second, ahead of the CDU, in last month's Thuringia election that was won by the radical Left party. That outcome has made building a viable governing coalition extremely tricky.
It is taboo for Merkel's party to cooperate with the AfD, whose hardline leader in Thuringia, Bjoern Hoecke, wants German history books to be rewritten to focus more on German rather than Jewish suffering in World War Two.
However, some 17 CDU members called on the party there to "actively take part in a process of talks with all democratically elected parties in the Thuringia assembly".
Their move echoed a comment by Michael Heym, leader of the CDU in the Thuringia assembly, who had said it would not help democracy to ignore a quarter of voters. The AfD won 23.4%.
Several senior members in the national CDU condemned the initiative in Thuringia, with General-Secretary Paul Ziemiak calling it "mad". He said nothing had changed in the CDU's stance toward the AfD, and anyone who thought differently should ask themselves if they were in the right party.
The Central Council of Jews in Germany described any would-be CDU-AfD coordination as irresponsible and the Jewish Community of Thuringia expressed frustration, saying:
"How can Jewish life and culture develop in Thuringia if the AfD - directly or indirectly - is part of the state government, in a coalition or supporting it?"
The AfD said in a statement it was open to talks with the CDU and pro-business Free Democrats (FDP) on the possibilities of forming a government in Thuringia.

More at: https://news.yahoo.com/local-german-conservatives-cause-uproar-153202873.html

 

[AngryCanadian]

So eastern German conservatives have caused outrage within Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats (CDU) and among Jewish groups? i am rather surprised that there are Jewish Groups that still demand and push for open door policy in Germany and Europe.

 

[Swordsmyth]

Sputnik is reporting this morning that local members of Angela Merkel’s ruling Christian Democratic Union (CDU) have officially petitioned the party to allow them to negotiate with the local chapter of Alternative for Germany (AfD) in coalition talks.

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Here’s the relevant part from the site Talking Europe that mentions what happening in Thuringia:

But last week, the deputy caucus leader for the CDU in the state legislature in Thuringia said the party should not rule out working with the AfD.
And this week a group of seventeen CDU officials in the state put out an open letter arguing that their party should not refuse talks with any “democratically elected parties.”
Among the signers are city council members, officials of local CDU committees, and one state legislator.
CDU policy is not going to change because of an open letter put out by a small group of very low-level officials. The national leadership vehemently rejected these officials’ open letter.
But these seventeen dissenters represent some unknown larger number of CDU members and voters who might leave the party over this issue.
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As I mentioned in my latest article for Strategic Culture Foundation, the results in Thuringia preclude any kind of rational government forming because no one is willing to work with AfD who now has substantial political power.

Whereas in 2014, Die Linke could form a government with the SPD and the Greens, today they cannot, falling 4 seats short of a majority, and the Greens barely beat the 5% threshold for representation. Had they not the coalition calculus would be unsolvable.
It is just as bad for Merkel and the CDU as they categorically refuse to ally with AfD in any capacity. So, there is no easy path to a government in Thuringia. The path is just as bad in Brandenburg which voted in September.
In both cases massive cartel-style coalitions will be needed, four parties, to cobble together a majority because all have refused to entreat with AfD.
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What all of this implies is that Merkel and the CDU are more than willing to work with either the Social Democrats (SPD) or the Greens in forming coalitions but not any of the more Euroskeptic parties like AfD and Die Linke (The Left).
Because, in fact, Merkel has been working with both parties for years at both in the Bundestag and the Bundesrat. Think of the Bundestag as the House of Commons, which proposes legislation and the Bundesrat as the House of Lords which ratifies it.
As was pointed out to me by German political observers the game Merkel has been playing by working with the SPD in the Bundestag only works if she keeps the Greens in the Bundsrat happy.
But because of the nature of the Bundesrat where state delegation must vote as a block up until Thuringia the Greens held veto power over 37 out of 69 seats there and could stop all legislation cold.
But those four seats now will likely go to someone else and this defection by CDU party members in Thuringia threatens a constitutional crisis in Germany if AfD make it into the Bundesrat.
So what’s important here is that with these three state elections over the past two months the makeup of the Bundesrat will shift dramatically. And this is the truly dangerous development for Merkel.
Brandenburg still doesn’t have a government and the results there imply that the CDU, SPD and Greens (Jamaica coalition) get together to circle the wagons and form a coalition to offset the total loss that is Thuringia. Both Brandenburg and Saxony could do this.
So, if Merkel has any political pull left with the SPD and is willing to give every concession to the Greens they ask for this is what will happen to stop a loss of majority in the Bundesrat.
Because if they don’t come to that conclusion, there is the further problem of the CDU/Green coalition in Hesse collapsing because they rule with a one-seat majority. But AfD has challenged the apportionment there and could gain a seat, taking down the Hessian government.
That’s five seats in the Bundesrat that Merkel et.al. would have to make up.
This forces Jamaica coalitions in Saxony (+4 seats) and Brandenburg (+4 seats) to offset losses to AfD in Hesse (-5 seats) and Thuringia (-4 seats) to maintain net loss of one seat to the Green veto and maintain control at 36 seats.
Either way Merkel is still at the mercy of the Greens who can erode what’s left of her power base even more than it was before.
I have no idea how likely this all is, but looking at the situation this is the only math that makes sense here. Merkel failed to put together a Jamaica coalition in 2017 after the national election.
The Greens will likely push for all they can get, which, by the looks of Merkel’s newly-adopted energy policy is enough to plunge Germany into 2nd world status in the next 20 years.
Next,there is the lengths to which the party leadership of the SPD are willing to go to keep things as they are. The party congress in December may decide that radical change is needed and force an overthrow of Merkel as a price for keeping the coalition intact until the next scheduled general election in 2021.
Lastly, there is the reality that after hitting a low point earlier this year, AfD is beginning to rise in the national polling, back towards 15%.

Germany, INSA poll:

CDU/CSU-EPP: 25.5% (-0.5)
GRÜNE-G/EFA: 21% (-2)
AfD-ID: 16% (+0.5)
SPD-S&D: 13.5%
LINKE-LEFT: 10% (+1)
FDP-RE: 8% (+0.5)

+/- vs. 25-28 Oct. '19

Fieldwork: 1-4 Nov. '19
Sample size: 2,047
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— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) November 4, 2019​

Again, they need to be a broad solutions-based alternative, not just the Anti-Merkel party to breach the 16% Chasm and become a real political force nationally.

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/verboten-thuringia-merkels-cdu-feels-afds-heat